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A video has emerged of boxing promorter Bob Arum saying he " gets a kick " out of seeing Michael Conlan enter a stadium to IRA songs prior to his fights .

Arum , who handles Conlan 's fights , made the comments following the Belfast boxer 's decisive unanimous points victory over rival Vladimir Nikitin in New York on Saturday .

It comes just seven months after the Belfast featherweight apologised for walking out to a fight to a pro-IRA song on St Patrick 's Day in Madison Square Garden , which was widely condemned by politicians and victims of IRA violence for " glorifying terrorism " .

Conlan said they would not use the music again .

Speaking following Saturday night 's bout , Top Rank boss Bob Arum said he is planning for Conlan to fight again on St Patrick 's Day in Madison Square Garden next year .

" He 's going to do it in the theatre of Madison Square Garden and it 's during the week , St Patrick 's Day .. and the whole place will be green and we 'll maybe play maybe an IRA @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ he said .

" Screw them ... I just get a kick out of it , because Michael Conlan got criticised last time when he came out to an IRA song . "

Back in May , Conlan made his was to the ring to face Ruben Garcia Hernandez to The Wolfe Tones song Celtic Symphony , which contains the lyric " ooh ah up the Ra " , leading to IRA chants from fans in the arena .

DUP leader Arlene Foster condemned the choice of music , referring to IRA murder victim Gillian Johnston ( 21 ) , who was gunned down outside her parent 's home in Leggs near Belleek on March 18 , 1988 .

" Those chanting ' ooh ah up the Ra ' should take a moment and read about what IRA done on this day 31 years ago , " she wrote on Twitter .

" Not actions worthy of glory . All terrorism was wrong and should be condemned - not glorified . "

Michael Conlan later apologised to those offended by the song choice . @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ 'll not be using the music again . I 've learned that I 'm a role model , I 'm under the microscope and things like this are not good for boxing , " he told the BBC .

" I meant no offence at all . To the people who were offended - I definitely apologise . "

He added : " Boxing is a sport that brings people together . I always want to be part of that and going forward I will be a part of that completely . "

While some called for the Belfast fighter to be suspended , Bob Arum jumped to his defence .

" Mick certainly did n't want to offend anybody with the tune he used for his ringwalk in the Garden , " he said .

" I know he has received criticism for what he came out to but I think people need to get over it because the Troubles are over .

" People need to move on but the songs and chants on both sides still stir the blood and the @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ and I have n't seen enthusiasm like that for a long time . "

A video has emerged of boxing promorter Bob Arum saying he " gets a kick " out of seeing Michael Conlan enter a stadium to IRA songs prior to his fights .

Arum , who handles Conlan 's fights , made the comments following the Belfast boxer 's decisive unanimous points victory over rival Vladimir Nikitin in New York on Saturday .

It comes just seven months after the Belfast featherweight apologised for walking out to a fight to a pro-IRA song on St Patrick 's Day in Madison Square Garden , which was widely condemned by politicians and victims of IRA violence for " glorifying terrorism " .

Conlan said they would not use the music again .

Speaking following Saturday night 's bout , Top Rank boss Bob Arum said he is planning for Conlan to fight again on St Patrick 's Day in Madison Square Garden next year .

" He 's going to do it in the theatre of Madison Square Garden and it 's during the week , St Patrick 's Day .. and the whole place will be green and we 'll maybe play maybe an IRA @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ he said .

" Screw them ... I just get a kick out of it , because Michael Conlan got criticised last time when he came out to an IRA song . "

Back in May , Conlan made his was to the ring to face Ruben Garcia Hernandez to The Wolfe Tones song Celtic Symphony , which contains the lyric " ooh ah up the Ra " , leading to IRA chants from fans in the arena .

DUP leader Arlene Foster condemned the choice of music , referring to IRA murder victim Gillian Johnston ( 21 ) , who was gunned down outside her parent 's home in Leggs near Belleek on March 18 , 1988 .

" Those chanting ' ooh ah up the Ra ' should take a moment and read about what IRA done on this day 31 years ago , " she wrote on Twitter .

" Not actions worthy of glory . All terrorism was wrong and should be condemned - not glorified . "

Michael Conlan later apologised to those offended by the song choice . @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ 'll not be using the music again . I 've learned that I 'm a role model , I 'm under the microscope and things like this are not good for boxing , " he told the BBC .

" I meant no offence at all . To the people who were offended - I definitely apologise . "

He added : " Boxing is a sport that brings people together . I always want to be part of that and going forward I will be a part of that completely . "

While some called for the Belfast fighter to be suspended , Bob Arum jumped to his defence .

" Mick certainly did n't want to offend anybody with the tune he used for his ringwalk in the Garden , " he said .

" I know he has received criticism for what he came out to but I think people need to get over it because the Troubles are over .

" People need to move on but the songs and chants on both sides still stir the blood and the @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ and I have n't seen enthusiasm like that for a long time . "

Yes , of course - please forgive me . I 'd quite forgotten some people find homicidal alcoholic hoodlums fascinatingly complex characters . Do n't worry - you have plenty of company . . . so there will always be plenty of films depicting this enviable lifestyle in the cinema . Good day to you .

* " No inner conflict " ? : Were you asleep during the movie ? * " The Irishman is boring " : Well , just about all the critical reviews strongly disagree with you. * " They 're pathetic and stupid " : Again , this is your opinion , and not really an argument. * " Their wives and daughters live more interesting lives " : What exactly was is interesting about their wives and daughters ' lives ? We do n't even know much about their lives , perhaps because none of their wives and daughters wrote a book about their boring lives . And if they did bother to write a book , the titles would probaly be : " Married to the Irishman : How I kept quite about my husbands criminal activities " .

@ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ film was The Age of Innocence . Never mentioned by his fanboys - no doubt due to the lack of meatheads and murders - it deals with real characters wrestling with real issues.Interesting that these characters were created by a woman , is n't it ? Even though it 's not beloved by Edith Wharton purists , it did more than hold my attention , which is more than I can say about The Irishman . What about you ? Did you miss the bozos doing their ' house-painting and carpentry ' ?

You 're not very astute , are you ? Explosions , shootings and similar action are precisely what I avoid in the cinema - and what Scorcese uses to maintain an audience 's interest in a dull narrative.The Irishman is boring because there 's no real inner conflict or development in its characters . They trudge through life delivering tedious platitudes , learning nothing and pretending to be tough guys - but they 're really pathetic and stupid . Their wives and daughters live more interesting lives , but Scorcese does n't have the wit or @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ franchise are movies made for children , yet unashamedly inject political narratives into the storylines . The men are deliberately made to look dumb , while the take-home message is that " women do n't need men " .... meantime , most viewers never assumed that women did need men . And the political narratives are expected to amplify , as there are already talks that ' Elsa ' will be getting a ' girlfriend ' in the next movie . Soon , hoards of little girls will also want a ' girlfriend ' ( regardless of their actual sexual orientation ) , just because their favorite movie character has one . This is a pathetic attempt by hollywood , to ensure that people 's kids are ' woke ' , before they can ride a bike . Thus , ' Frozen ' displays obvious propaganda . But unlike you , I can enjoy a movie regardless of whether the characters are male , female , black , white etc etc . As long as the characters are interesting , complex , flawed , identifiable , and human . Not @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ , non-nonsensical , virtuous , and/or political idea of what that character should be , based on gender , ethnicity , or some other superfluous biological trait . We will reach a truly outrageous level of political correctness , if books and movies ( which are based on true stories ) have to be amended , in order to make them more representative . ' The Irishman ' is a story about what happened , or what is written to have happened . Scorsese is not going to alter these events , to appease your need to feel represented .

@HeinekenHelenWhen you are dealing with a historical mobster era in which females were *not major characters , this is rather like saying that one will not watch a movie about WWII Nazis that does not containmajor land armies from China invading Poland in 1939 . Movies have no obligation to serve as ad fantasies for personal political views - facts be damned - *especially when they are *based on actual and verifiable recent history . So , you know , no U.S. Civil War Movies with all female armies @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ , all of these characters ARE Italian Gangsters , save one - Frank Sheeran , " The Irishman " . Every one of major characters are *based on Historical Characters , a fact which may be missed by people who know nothing about the reality-based plot lines they are watching . People can complain about how well they think Scorsese *delivered theactual history , but they simply embarrass themselves in revelation of the fact that they are clueless *regarding the actual History . The Irish Mobsters controlled organized crime in the U.S. in a much earlier era . By the time the U.S. experienced the massive Italian Immigration wave , the Irish had already long since graduated from street-level mob activity in " big time " mob activity as members of Political Machines such as Tammany Hall , and the U.S. Congress . Frank Sheeran was born far too late to participate in the heyday of the Irish Mobs .

More Wolf of Wall Street than Mean Streets . There 's a specific angle he 's having a go at with the confessional movies ; not just the unreliable @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ more the crying of a professional mourner .

That 's probably because almost everyone weighing in against the movie does n't really have a thing to say about it , and is just bigging themselves up by saying how over it they are . It 's hard to see what they get out of adding their two cents .

But then there 's the additional thing of people just missing the point completely . " Tired and repetitive " , for instance . Yes , this is Goodfellas without the coke . This is the skull beneath the s(k)in . This is evil without appetite . Horrible , is n't it .

And it builds that creeping horror , that ghastly sense of the auditor calling for your accounts , by resonance -- internal resonance over the course of one man 's life , and the call backs to Scorcese 's other movies in the same vein . He 's not copying himself out of laziness or a lack of ideas ; those ideas are dragged out one last time to do their work .

So @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ or like other movies better ; but with critiques like yours , it 's as though you did n't even see the movie at all . I mean , God knows , I had a little nap for five minutes in the middle -- how much did you zizz through ? ; - )

' Solidly made ' refers to the technique , not the story , which I also did n't particulary care for . And ' master director ' would refer to his 1970 's output up until Kundun . As neither of us particularly liked The Irishman it would be a prime example of his decline post mid 90s , and not an example of his being a master director

Shutter Island - " solidly made " ? In that case - without reading either the novel or a review - how did I know one of the cops was a nutter before they even stepped onto the island ? In case you 've forgotten , that was supposed to be the movie 's big twist .

If Scorcese 's a ' master director @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ The Irishman being a prime example - look like they were the output of studio hacks ? Never mind - you like him , I do n't .

It will almost certainly be up for the best picture oscar ( and it may even win it ) but for me it would n't even crack my top ten . It just feels so tired and repetitive and the story really did n't justify the films running time .

I will say though that some people who defend the film on here are so sensitive to the films criticism , sprouting such belittling nonsense like " Go and watch something simpler like star wars hurpdeedurp dee durp . " It 's just sad .

Ive read why people like the film , it 's nice that they like it but i 'm sorry i just do n't see it .

Shutter Island was indeed a disappointment- better than Gangs I 'd say because it was at least solidly made and edited , and not unintentionally funny , unlike Gangs , but it could have been made by @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ but he has n't been on top form since Kundun , at least in terms of technical mastery ( although Bringing out the Dead had flashes and Silence was very nicely controlled )

I never rated Steve Zallian as a writer - he wrote Gangs of New York , Scorsese 's worst film

You 're forgetting Shutter Island .

And Pesci has been overpraised . He did okay - but was n't given anything particularly difficult to do . As usual with Scorcese , the characters were just a bunch of meatheads.The Sopranos delivered far more nuanced mobsters than any of Scorcese 's - at about $150 million less than The Irishman .

Is this a joke ? You could literally describe most of the plot , even have someone read the dialogue -- which sounds like Italian gangsters , not Irish ones -- talk about the narration and the tracking shots , and the lack of female participation , and still have the person you 're talking to trying to guess which of half a dozen Scorsese films you are describing . What 's original @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ going for it to make it different from his mother films is its running time and the crappy CGI .

Dear critics : if you want to go after the MCU or anything else saying that we need fresh , original filmmaking from new voices , then do n't put this boring rehash second on your overall list .

Why not reward actual fresh , original filmmaking ? Where 's Styx or I Am Not a Witch or Aniara or The Mustang or Black ' 47 or Roll Red Roll ?

This film 's greatness will be only appreciated in time as , beautifully told , wonderful period pieces , especially the barbershop scene , and an awesome soundtrack . This is a triptych with Goodfellas and Casino and possibly throw in Mean Streets as well .

I found it to be rather poorly made - flat cinematography and rather odd editing - in a number of instances there 's a cut in the same scene , and a character will appear out of nowhere or disappear . Very shoddy . Pesci was excellent , And @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ out off a CGI mannequin head . The last third had a degree of power , but it was heavy handed - you get far more pathos in Raging Bull ; a better sense of the sweep of history and well formed characters in Casino . I never rated Steve Zallian as a writer - he wrote Gangs of New York , Scorsese 's worst film

If you want the definitive take on the theme of aging gangsters , I suggest " Touchez pas au grisbi , " by Jacques Becker . Even Scorcese ripped off its harmonica theme for " The Irishman , " basically acknowledging the French film 's superiority .

Blah , blah , blah - it would be more appropriate to describe the poverty , ineptitude and dullness of Scorcese 's film-making in this instance . A mundane story ( most likely nothing more than a geriatric 's attention-seeking fantasies ) which trudges through a conveyor belt of dismal criminality . After so many similar projects , there 's no need for an intelligent person to find these goons and their activities the slightest @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ his career glamorizing these lowlifes who are obsessed only with $ and being treated with respect . They 're pitiful - and so is The Irishman , its awful CGI and the embarrassing spectacle of 7O year old actors trying to play men in their early 40s .

The Irishman is fantastic , saw it twice so far along with about 5 hrs of interviews with Charles Brant that were extremely helpful.I found Pacino to be a terrible choice , while he was an exceptionally great actor in his early films , he once again he played himself instead of the character with his same old mannerisms and loud outburst.Never tried to talk or act like the real Jimmy Hoffa .

I enjoyed The Irishman for the most part , thought it was decent enough , but it does n't touch the level of Goodfellas or Casino , which are films you can watch multiple times and not get bored . Whereas seeing The Irishman once felt like enough . Honestly , it felt more like Scorsese was trying to " get the band back together " for @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ mob movie . As much as I love the cast , I did n't feel most of them were really trying in this one , just kinda phoning it in , going through the motions , which , at their age , and all they 've accomplished , I suppose they 've earned that right . Joe Pesci was outstanding , though - it was fun seeing him in a less boisterous mobster role for once and he played it brilliantly ; he has always been such an underrated actor throughout the years .

As for the ' de-aged ' CGI faces everyone complains about , I guess I did n't mind it much . It was weird at first , but you get used to it . My only problem with it is that they missed an opportunity to give some up-and-coming young actors their big break , kinda like how De Niro played young Vito Corleone in Godfather II .

Otherwise than that , The Irishman was somewhere in the middle , not really bad or really good , just okay . Nothing wrong with that @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ it was the mafia 's ' possible ' involvement with the murders of Hoffa and JFK that has n't been dredged up before and just because it was based on the words of psychopath does n't make it any more true . In the end I realized I had spent three and a half hours with this lowlife , who incidentally , was a tall red-haired Irishman , . So much for authenticity .

Yes , of course - please forgive me . I 'd quite forgotten some people find homicidal alcoholic hoodlums fascinatingly complex characters . Do n't worry - you have plenty of company . . . so there will always be plenty of films depicting this enviable lifestyle in the cinema . Good day to you .

* " No inner conflict " ? : Were you asleep during the movie ? * " The Irishman is boring " : Well , just about all the critical reviews strongly disagree with you. * " They 're pathetic and stupid " : Again , this is your opinion , and not really an argument. * " Their wives and daughters live more interesting lives " : What exactly was is interesting about their wives and daughters ' lives ? We do n't even know much about their lives , perhaps because none of their wives and daughters wrote a book about their boring lives . And if they did bother to write a book , the titles would probaly be : " Married to the Irishman : How I kept quite about my husbands criminal activities " .

@ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ film was The Age of Innocence . Never mentioned by his fanboys - no doubt due to the lack of meatheads and murders - it deals with real characters wrestling with real issues.Interesting that these characters were created by a woman , is n't it ? Even though it 's not beloved by Edith Wharton purists , it did more than hold my attention , which is more than I can say about The Irishman . What about you ? Did you miss the bozos doing their ' house-painting and carpentry ' ?

You 're not very astute , are you ? Explosions , shootings and similar action are precisely what I avoid in the cinema - and what Scorcese uses to maintain an audience 's interest in a dull narrative.The Irishman is boring because there 's no real inner conflict or development in its characters . They trudge through life delivering tedious platitudes , learning nothing and pretending to be tough guys - but they 're really pathetic and stupid . Their wives and daughters live more interesting lives , but Scorcese does n't have the wit or @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ franchise are movies made for children , yet unashamedly inject political narratives into the storylines . The men are deliberately made to look dumb , while the take-home message is that " women do n't need men " .... meantime , most viewers never assumed that women did need men . And the political narratives are expected to amplify , as there are already talks that ' Elsa ' will be getting a ' girlfriend ' in the next movie . Soon , hoards of little girls will also want a ' girlfriend ' ( regardless of their actual sexual orientation ) , just because their favorite movie character has one . This is a pathetic attempt by hollywood , to ensure that people 's kids are ' woke ' , before they can ride a bike . Thus , ' Frozen ' displays obvious propaganda . But unlike you , I can enjoy a movie regardless of whether the characters are male , female , black , white etc etc . As long as the characters are interesting , complex , flawed , identifiable , and human . Not @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ , non-nonsensical , virtuous , and/or political idea of what that character should be , based on gender , ethnicity , or some other superfluous biological trait . We will reach a truly outrageous level of political correctness , if books and movies ( which are based on true stories ) have to be amended , in order to make them more representative . ' The Irishman ' is a story about what happened , or what is written to have happened . Scorsese is not going to alter these events , to appease your need to feel represented .

@HeinekenHelenWhen you are dealing with a historical mobster era in which females were *not major characters , this is rather like saying that one will not watch a movie about WWII Nazis that does not containmajor land armies from China invading Poland in 1939 . Movies have no obligation to serve as ad fantasies for personal political views - facts be damned - *especially when they are *based on actual and verifiable recent history . So , you know , no U.S. Civil War Movies with all female armies @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ , all of these characters ARE Italian Gangsters , save one - Frank Sheeran , " The Irishman " . Every one of major characters are *based on Historical Characters , a fact which may be missed by people who know nothing about the reality-based plot lines they are watching . People can complain about how well they think Scorsese *delivered theactual history , but they simply embarrass themselves in revelation of the fact that they are clueless *regarding the actual History . The Irish Mobsters controlled organized crime in the U.S. in a much earlier era . By the time the U.S. experienced the massive Italian Immigration wave , the Irish had already long since graduated from street-level mob activity in " big time " mob activity as members of Political Machines such as Tammany Hall , and the U.S. Congress . Frank Sheeran was born far too late to participate in the heyday of the Irish Mobs .

More Wolf of Wall Street than Mean Streets . There 's a specific angle he 's having a go at with the confessional movies ; not just the unreliable @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ more the crying of a professional mourner .

That 's probably because almost everyone weighing in against the movie does n't really have a thing to say about it , and is just bigging themselves up by saying how over it they are . It 's hard to see what they get out of adding their two cents .

But then there 's the additional thing of people just missing the point completely . " Tired and repetitive " , for instance . Yes , this is Goodfellas without the coke . This is the skull beneath the s(k)in . This is evil without appetite . Horrible , is n't it .

And it builds that creeping horror , that ghastly sense of the auditor calling for your accounts , by resonance -- internal resonance over the course of one man 's life , and the call backs to Scorcese 's other movies in the same vein . He 's not copying himself out of laziness or a lack of ideas ; those ideas are dragged out one last time to do their work .

So @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ or like other movies better ; but with critiques like yours , it 's as though you did n't even see the movie at all . I mean , God knows , I had a little nap for five minutes in the middle -- how much did you zizz through ? ; - )

' Solidly made ' refers to the technique , not the story , which I also did n't particulary care for . And ' master director ' would refer to his 1970 's output up until Kundun . As neither of us particularly liked The Irishman it would be a prime example of his decline post mid 90s , and not an example of his being a master director

Shutter Island - " solidly made " ? In that case - without reading either the novel or a review - how did I know one of the cops was a nutter before they even stepped onto the island ? In case you 've forgotten , that was supposed to be the movie 's big twist .

If Scorcese 's a ' master director @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ The Irishman being a prime example - look like they were the output of studio hacks ? Never mind - you like him , I do n't .

It will almost certainly be up for the best picture oscar ( and it may even win it ) but for me it would n't even crack my top ten . It just feels so tired and repetitive and the story really did n't justify the films running time .

I will say though that some people who defend the film on here are so sensitive to the films criticism , sprouting such belittling nonsense like " Go and watch something simpler like star wars hurpdeedurp dee durp . " It 's just sad .

Ive read why people like the film , it 's nice that they like it but i 'm sorry i just do n't see it .

Shutter Island was indeed a disappointment- better than Gangs I 'd say because it was at least solidly made and edited , and not unintentionally funny , unlike Gangs , but it could have been made by @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ but he has n't been on top form since Kundun , at least in terms of technical mastery ( although Bringing out the Dead had flashes and Silence was very nicely controlled )

I never rated Steve Zallian as a writer - he wrote Gangs of New York , Scorsese 's worst film

You 're forgetting Shutter Island .

And Pesci has been overpraised . He did okay - but was n't given anything particularly difficult to do . As usual with Scorcese , the characters were just a bunch of meatheads.The Sopranos delivered far more nuanced mobsters than any of Scorcese 's - at about $150 million less than The Irishman .

Is this a joke ? You could literally describe most of the plot , even have someone read the dialogue -- which sounds like Italian gangsters , not Irish ones -- talk about the narration and the tracking shots , and the lack of female participation , and still have the person you 're talking to trying to guess which of half a dozen Scorsese films you are describing . What 's original @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ going for it to make it different from his mother films is its running time and the crappy CGI .

Dear critics : if you want to go after the MCU or anything else saying that we need fresh , original filmmaking from new voices , then do n't put this boring rehash second on your overall list .

Why not reward actual fresh , original filmmaking ? Where 's Styx or I Am Not a Witch or Aniara or The Mustang or Black ' 47 or Roll Red Roll ?

This film 's greatness will be only appreciated in time as , beautifully told , wonderful period pieces , especially the barbershop scene , and an awesome soundtrack . This is a triptych with Goodfellas and Casino and possibly throw in Mean Streets as well .

I found it to be rather poorly made - flat cinematography and rather odd editing - in a number of instances there 's a cut in the same scene , and a character will appear out of nowhere or disappear . Very shoddy . Pesci was excellent , And @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ out off a CGI mannequin head . The last third had a degree of power , but it was heavy handed - you get far more pathos in Raging Bull ; a better sense of the sweep of history and well formed characters in Casino . I never rated Steve Zallian as a writer - he wrote Gangs of New York , Scorsese 's worst film

If you want the definitive take on the theme of aging gangsters , I suggest " Touchez pas au grisbi , " by Jacques Becker . Even Scorcese ripped off its harmonica theme for " The Irishman , " basically acknowledging the French film 's superiority .

Blah , blah , blah - it would be more appropriate to describe the poverty , ineptitude and dullness of Scorcese 's film-making in this instance . A mundane story ( most likely nothing more than a geriatric 's attention-seeking fantasies ) which trudges through a conveyor belt of dismal criminality . After so many similar projects , there 's no need for an intelligent person to find these goons and their activities the slightest @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ his career glamorizing these lowlifes who are obsessed only with $ and being treated with respect . They 're pitiful - and so is The Irishman , its awful CGI and the embarrassing spectacle of 7O year old actors trying to play men in their early 40s .

The Irishman is fantastic , saw it twice so far along with about 5 hrs of interviews with Charles Brant that were extremely helpful.I found Pacino to be a terrible choice , while he was an exceptionally great actor in his early films , he once again he played himself instead of the character with his same old mannerisms and loud outburst.Never tried to talk or act like the real Jimmy Hoffa .

I enjoyed The Irishman for the most part , thought it was decent enough , but it does n't touch the level of Goodfellas or Casino , which are films you can watch multiple times and not get bored . Whereas seeing The Irishman once felt like enough . Honestly , it felt more like Scorsese was trying to " get the band back together " for @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ mob movie . As much as I love the cast , I did n't feel most of them were really trying in this one , just kinda phoning it in , going through the motions , which , at their age , and all they 've accomplished , I suppose they 've earned that right . Joe Pesci was outstanding , though - it was fun seeing him in a less boisterous mobster role for once and he played it brilliantly ; he has always been such an underrated actor throughout the years .

As for the ' de-aged ' CGI faces everyone complains about , I guess I did n't mind it much . It was weird at first , but you get used to it . My only problem with it is that they missed an opportunity to give some up-and-coming young actors their big break , kinda like how De Niro played young Vito Corleone in Godfather II .

Otherwise than that , The Irishman was somewhere in the middle , not really bad or really good , just okay . Nothing wrong with that @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ it was the mafia 's ' possible ' involvement with the murders of Hoffa and JFK that has n't been dredged up before and just because it was based on the words of psychopath does n't make it any more true . In the end I realized I had spent three and a half hours with this lowlife , who incidentally , was a tall red-haired Irishman , . So much for authenticity .

US : THE bonanza of Impressionist and 19th century art sales in New York , headlined by the record $55m ( ? 33.5m ) hammer price paid for a C ? zanne still life , has highlighted various trends in the market , not least the dominance of Post Impressionist works .

UK : IN common with a number of other London auctioneers , Bonhams ( 15/10 per cent buyer 's premium ) , were reserving their best quality Old Master consignments for July , but their April 13 sale in Knightsbridge did at least include the decorative charms of this 3ft 21/2in by 2ft 43/4in ( 98 x 73cm ) canvas , illustrated here , of a young woman tending a bouquet of flowers , signed by the Italian-based still life specialist Abraham Brueghel ( 1631-1697 ) .

US : How do you titillate an ocelot ? You oscillate its tit a lot . Kenny Everett 's immortal insight into the sexual life of one of the obscurer members of the cat family is usually quite difficult to drag into an auction report . But how can titillation be resisted when someone is prepared to @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ an ocelot at Sotheby 's New York ( 15/10 per cent buyer 's premium ) .

SWITZERLAND : NOWADAYS the trade makes much of its living out of putting pictures through the salerooms , but there can be few more spectacular profits in recent months than the ? 200,000 St James 's dealer David Mason made out of this Albert Anker ( 1831-1910 ) oil , right , Strickendes M ? dchen which sold for SFr550,000 ( ? 239,130 ) at Christie 's Zurich ( 15/13/7.5 per cent buyer 's premium ) on March 23.

2020 is almost upon us and led to a nostalgic review of the decade that has passed in the Premier League .

Goals have often dominated the headlines with Sergio Aguero 's strike at the Etihad to deliver Manchester City ' s first title in 44 years surely the most memorable of them all .

That goal came from the only assist Mario Balotelli ever recorded in the blue shirt , but it was one of the club 's most vital .

The Italian was not best known for his unselfishness , but some players certainly are and in this decade more than ever the art of creation has been heralded .

A player who provides time and time again is priceless and the phrase ' a number 10 ' only really came to prominence around 2010 .

The English top flight has been graced by many artists , many of whom still have received the necessary recognition . But who is this decade 's ultimate supplier ?

Starsport has taken a glance at the last decade to see who tops the charts for the most assists while taking into account time @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ ?

David Silva - 89 assists - 8.9 per season

The Spaniard brings down the curtain on a decade at City at the end of the season but what a joy he has been .

Some argue he 's the best player in the club 's history surpassing the likes of Sergio Aguero and Vincent Kompany .

One thing 's for sure and that is he can find his forwards time and time again . His unique style has made him an integral part of everything good at the Etihad .

David Silva has supplied chance after chance for Man City 's forwards during his career ( Image : Getty )

Christian Eriksen - 62 assists - 8.8 per season

Since arriving from Ajax in 2013 the Dane has been Tottenham ' s creator in chief .

His absence from the starting XI is always telling and its a credit to Tottenham and their ambition that they 've been able to keep hold of him for so long .

Eriksen is almost certainly off in the summer , but we can @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ more than most given how regularly the two have linked up .

Christian Eriksen transforms Tottenham when he features

Cesc Fabregas - 58 assists - 10 per season

The Spaniard is among the Premier League 's greatest assist merchants with his total starting 15 odds years ago .

He was arguably the Premier League 's best midfielder with Arsenal just before we said goodbye to the 2000s , but was similarly effective in this decade . He would almost surely top the list had he not returned to Barcelona for three seasons .

Jose Mourinho bought him back to Chelsea in 2015 and the Blues won the double that year with Fabregas hugely influential . It would have been criminal for the La Masia graduate to have been deprived of a league winners medal .

Cesc Fabregas ' efforts in Chelsea 's title win in 2014/15 were hugely impressive

Kevin De Bruyne - 55 assists - 12.2 per season

His total shows no sign of slowing down having registered another last weekend . He only moved to City in 2015 but looks @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ must be wishing he played in a different shade of blue , but as it is Pep Guardiola is the man to benefit .

De Bruyne 's range of passing leaves you speechless at times as does his vision . His delivery has been put up there with David Beckham 's - and that is one hell of a compliment .

The second Belgian on the list is narrowly pipped , although he did have longer to register his total .

Its a credit to the now Real Madrid man that he was so fruitful in front of goal yet managed to provide for his team-mates so often .

His final year at Stamford Bridge was perhaps his most impressive given the strength of Chelsea 's side , but his ability to coast past players and lay it on a plate for his forwards was unrivalled .

Eden Hazard was Chelsea 's most effective weapon - be it with goals or assists

Mesut Ozil - 53 assists - 8.1 per season

If any player has made a career out of supplying his colleagues @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ top form he can make any good team a great one .

His problem has been turning an average team into a good one . When he has the platform and is allowed to roam he is an asset to any team .

Ozil 's perceived inability to do a job for his team has undermined him and robbed him of appearances , but his vision and eye for a slide rule pass has been of benefit to many of Arsenal 's strikers since he joined in 2013.

' Dictator and wife executed " screamed the front page of The Scotsman on Boxing Day , 1989 . " Bloody End for Butcher of Bucharest ' .

Similar headlines were emblazoned over newspapers across the world as Romania brought an end to more than 40 years of Communist rule with the most bloody revolution to hit the Iron Curtain nations .

More than 1,000 people were killed during the uprising 30 years ago this week which saw leader Nicolae Ceausescu and his wife , Elena , executed by firing squad on Christmas Day . The killing , captured by video cameras operated by rebel forces , was broadcast around the world shortly afterwards .

IT worker Radu Serban , who now lives in Edinburgh with his wife , Andreia , and their young son , Tudor , was just 11 years old when the revolution broke out in his home city of Bucharest . He remembers spending days lying flat on the floor of his apartment block in the dark -- with the only light , or information about the revolution raging outside , coming from the television .

Tanks from the nearby @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ and the family could hear gunfire from their home .

He recalls : " My mother put blankets and pillows on the floor and we all had to get down , and we stayed down there all day and night , watching everything that was happening on the TV . She knew if you can see the man with the gun , he can see you . "

On 21 December , Radu 's father , along with all factory workers , was bussed into the main square of Bucharest , where Ceausescu was to give a speech -- a last-ditch attempt to rally his supporters . However , the crowd turned against the dictator , chanting " Timisoara " in support of the western Romanian town where demonstrations had already begun .

Radu and his mother waited nervously at home . " My father came straight home after the speech , which was good because some people did n't come home from that position . "

He looks up an address on Google Street View and points to deep marks which still remain around the @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ " There is an apartment block near where I lived which still has bullet holes around a window on the tenth floor . A guy there had his lights on so he was shot at by snipers . "

He adds : " These days were crazy . One neighbour came into the hallway and told everyone he had heard that the water supplies had been poisoned so we should n't drink it -- which was wrong , but we did n't know that , it was a rumour going around the city . My sisters , who were much older than me and were students at the time , had gone down to protest at the university and we did n't see them for two days . My mother was crying in the kitchen . "

On the other side of Bucharest , Radu 's present-day wife Andreia , then 15 , had been left in charge of eight small children from her apartment block -- while their parents went out to demonstrate .

" I can remember it clearly , " she says . " @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ people -- all got together and sat around the table . There was one guy who was a pilot and he admitted he had a bottle of whisky from abroad which would n't have been allowed before . He got it out and they all had one drink from it . Then they went out to the square . "

" They did n't come back for two days and I had no idea where they were -- including my parents and my older brother , " she remembers . " At one point , I left the children in the apartment , told them not to open the door and went outside to see what was happening . I ca n't believe now that I did that , that I left them , but I was young and I wanted to know what was going on . We are all still friends , all of the children from that neighbourhood , and we laugh about it now . "

She remembers : " When my parents came back , we sat in front of the TV , @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ . I could n't imagine what was going to happen , how things would be different -- would we have oranges all of the time or what ? "

Radu believes that there are still questions to be asked about the revolution , 30 years on . Some people believe that outside influences started the uprising -- or that it was more of a coup d ' ? tat by lower members of the Communist Party who wanted to see Ceausescu removed .

A trial over the deaths of 862 people -- which will see former president Ion Iliescu , former deputy prime minister Gelu Voican Voiculescu and former air force head Iosif Rus accused of crimes against humanity , finally began in November this year , almost 30 years after the fall of Communism . Elections held six months after the revolution voted in Iliescu , a former key figure in the Communist Party , who became leader of a new party , The National Salvation Front , as president . The trial , which will see more than 5,000 people testify , accuses Iliescu and his @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ to take power , resulting in hundreds of unnecessary deaths .

" The media would have you think that everyone hated Ceausescu , " Radu says . " But there were people who liked him , who thought he was doing good things . I am somewhere in the middle . Romania was the only country who paid off the national debt . We were producing -- cars , even aeroplanes -- although they were all sold abroad .

" On the other hand , my mother was a teacher and my father was an engineer . If they were living here in Scotland , they would have been living comfortably . However , we were in poverty , even though everybody was working . "

He adds : " What happened that day of the revolution was n't something extraordinary . The second level of the Communist Party took over the first level . I knew people who knew people who died that day . And I am not sure they the people who died knew what they were doing . "

Andreia agrees . @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ " They killed him too fast with no proper trial . We did n't get the chance to understand what happened . "

However , the revolution came just in time for Radu 's family -- who had , unknowingly , begun to attract attention from the Securitate , Romania 's secret police .

At the beginning of the Communist regime in the late 1940s , his mother 's family -- members of the wealthy elite -- had lost their fortune .

" My grandfather on my mother 's side was a ' petit bourgeois ' , " he explains . " He was a landlord with 19 properties . Then one day , someone knocked at the door and said : ' Your houses are not your houses anymore . ' He then had to work as a porter -- he was on a blacklist for his entire life . After Communism fell , we tried to get the properties back , but we only managed to regain five . "

But as the revolution approached , his mother 's family history was beginning to @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ later that in September 1989 he was about to be approached by the Securitate about his wife 's family background , " he says . " Then the revolution took place . It was lucky for us that it did . "

For Cristiana Osan , the revolution was also perfectly timed -- to escape a teacher 's demands for her to inform on her classmates .

A star high school student in the small town of Dej in Transylvania , the then 15-year-old had been appointed head of her class .

" The week before the Christmas holiday , one teacher called all of the class heads in to see him , " she recalls . " He was a fervent Communist , he had grown up in an orphanage and really believed Ceausescu was his ' father ' . At Christmas in Romania , we would traditionally all go out carolling together , but under Communism , religion was frowned upon .

" He told all of the class heads that we had to make sure we went out carolling with the other students @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ and report back to him with that list in the New Year . Up until that point , I had been quite protected by my parents -- that was the first time that I felt I was part of this Communist machine .

" I went home from school in tears and told my parents I could n't do it . Then the next day , the revolution came . I was so relieved . I felt like it had happened just for me . "

A previous Christmas during the Communist period had sparked another problem for the family . Osan 's father had received a Christmas card from a former colleague who had defected to America -- and been interrogated repeatedly by the authorities as a result . Links with Romanians living overseas were seen as a red flag by the state , who feared further defections .

" I can remember the card vividly -- it was a musical one that played Jingle Bells . I 'd never seen anything like it before , " Osan recalls . " When we received it , @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ called and interrogated about it . They would take him and question him , then the next week , he would be called again and asked the same things , to see if he gave the same story each time . "

After Communism fell , Romanians were given the right to see their Securitate files .

" My father 's file was huge , even though he generally kept out of everything , " recalls Osan , now a teacher in the city of Cluj , where she lives with her husband and son . " He could see which of his close friends had been informing on him for years . They were all given code names in the files and my father and his other friends still call one of them by his code name now -- they are still friends . They take the attitude that he had no choice -- what could he have done ? After the revolution there was a very strong feeling that there should be a fresh start . "

Osan is adamant that young people in Romania @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ is frustrated now by the attitudes of those who did not live through Communism who have developed a nostalgia for the past .

" As a child I can remember hearing voices downstairs when I was supposed to be asleep -- it was my parents listening to Radio Free Europe . Although we never spoke about it , I knew that that was something I should never talk to anyone about . "

She says : " It angers me when some people say that things used to be better under Communism . It was n't even just about the lack of food and the living conditions -- it was the fear . Even small kids like me knew that they were not to speak freely . "

She adds : " At the time of the revolution , there was a photograph of students in Cluj holding up a blackboard with the words " Nu mai vrem Communismul nicodata " -- " We do n't want Communism ever again " . But I think that feeling has been lost somehow . "

Like other eastern @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ , although the change was slow .

Sally Wood Lamont , a former librarian at Edinburgh University , first visited Romania in 1991 , just over a year after the revolution , to deliver books to restock Bucharest University 's library facilities , which were burned down during the uprising , destroying over 500,000 books .

She recalls a country still blighted by food shortages , a state-run heating system which switched on domestic radiators only at night -- and had regular outages , leaving householders without heat or hot water in freezing conditions .

" I remember one day having to queue for hours to buy a chicken and that was quite some time after the revolution , " says Wood Lamont , who settled in Romania permanently in November 1993 , where she set up the country 's ? first automated library at a university ? in Cluj-Napoca , and has established a long-running facility for disabled ? people in the city , as well as becoming head of Romania 's paralympic committee .

" I was standing there , waiting for the chicken @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ too , were just empty . There was nothing in them which I , as a westerner , usually saw . I used to travel backwards and forwards to Scotland quite often in my Renault Trafic van at that time and I would pack it with things I could n't get , like good quality pasta . "

She also picked up on a legacy from the informing culture fuelled by the secret police -- which often obtained information on people from neighbours .

Wood adds : " I think a whole generation had to change before anyone started to trust other people . "

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A Coventry family is hoping for a life changing -- and life-saving -- Christmas gift this year .

Darren Slack , 52 , is facing his second Christmas on the waiting list for a new heart .

The former HGV driver suffered a heart attack in October 2017 . His family have spoken out to raise awareness of the organ donor register -- and the incredible legacy you could have if the worst happened .

More than 100 people across Coventry and Warwickshire are waiting for a transplant . Across the UK , that number rises to more than 6,000 -- including 185 children .

Darren 's wife Kerry said she knows the enormity of what her family is asking .

" We know that for us not to have to face the worst thing possible that someone else will have to face it , " she said . " It 's a difficult situation . But it would mean everything to us . "

Organ donation is already in the spotlight in Coventry . Earlier this month , young father Aaron Wilson died in a suspected hit and run in Longford @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ difficult decision to donate Aaron 's organs , because he would often speak about how he wanted to help people .

Katie said Aaron had saved six people 's lives , and described him as a ' superhero ' . Read More Related Articles " He could have his life back "

Kerry , a nurse , spoke about the emotional , physical , psychological and financial impact of her husband waiting for a heart transplant .

The pair , now both in their 50s , have been together since they were teenagers and live in Wyken .

Darren has been fitted with a left ventricular assist device ( LVAD ) , which Kerry said is crucial if he is to survive the wait for a new heart . The device is attached to a battery , and has to be plugged into the mains to charge at night .

" We try to stay positive , " she said . " Darren is incredible . We just want to make the best out of everything we can . "

Kerry @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ into heart conditions by running marathons and half-marathons -- and they are hugely grateful for Darren 's ongoing care and the support from Kerry 's employers at UHCW .

Kerry and Darren Slack , their two sons and partners after Kerry ran the London Marathon in aid of the British Heart Foundation

" We 're very grateful he 's still here , " she said . " He might not have survived this . Darren loved his job as a HGV driver , and his employers looked after him as long as they could , but they had to retire him on medical grounds . He has n't worked since it happened .

" It 's a constant battle to keep him well enough to have a transplant if the opportunity came up .

" It would mean he could have his life back . There 's so many things we ca n't do any more , and he 's only 52 . He 's still young .

" A transplant would help him have a second chance at life . Our eldest son just @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ the future . Just the fact that Darren could be at the wedding was fantastic .

" It 's a waiting game . " How to sign up

The law on organ donation is changing . Currently , you have to sign up to the register to pledge to donate your organs after you die .

You 'll just have to give some details such as name , address , date-of-birth and whether you would like to donate all your organs and tissue , or just some .

It 's also a good idea to discuss your decision with friends and family , so that they know your preference .

Darren Slack with his youngest son

But the law is changing . From spring 2020 , there will be an ' opt-out ' system whereby all adults will be assumed to have agreed to donate their organs unless they have stated otherwise .

Families will still always be involved in organ donation , so it is vital that they know your choice . In the lead up to the change in law @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ and Warwickshire to talk and share their decision . If the time comes , families find the organ donation conversation much easier if they already know what their relative wanted . " Take a moment to think about people who want just one thing this Christmas "

According to NHS Blood and Transplant , there are 45 people in Coventry awaiting organ donation , and 61 people in Warwickshire .

Anthony Clarkson , Director of Organ Donation and Transplantation at NHS Blood and Transplant , said : " Christmas is an incredibly busy time of year , however away from the rush and bustle of preparing for the holiday it should also be a time for family and thinking of others .

" We are urging everyone in Coventry and Warwickshire to take a moment to think about the people who will spend their Christmas hoping for just one thing ; a life saving organ transplant . Would you like to help if you could ? If you needed a transplant , would you want someone to donate to you ?

" Please let your @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ we can save more lives . Every precious organ donor allows more families to spend special times together .

" A quick chat can save lives , and we know that even at a time of grief families take enormous comfort and pride from their loved one 's donation . "

A Coventry family is hoping for a life changing -- and life-saving -- Christmas gift this year .

Darren Slack , 52 , is facing his second Christmas on the waiting list for a new heart .

The former HGV driver suffered a heart attack in October 2017 . His family have spoken out to raise awareness of the organ donor register -- and the incredible legacy you could have if the worst happened .

More than 100 people across Coventry and Warwickshire are waiting for a transplant . Across the UK , that number rises to more than 6,000 -- including 185 children .

Darren 's wife Kerry said she knows the enormity of what her family is asking .

" We know that for us not to have to face the worst thing possible that someone else will have to face it , " she said . " It 's a difficult situation . But it would mean everything to us . "

Organ donation is already in the spotlight in Coventry . Earlier this month , young father Aaron Wilson died in a suspected hit and run in Longford @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ difficult decision to donate Aaron 's organs , because he would often speak about how he wanted to help people .

Katie said Aaron had saved six people 's lives , and described him as a ' superhero ' . Read More Related Articles " He could have his life back "

Kerry , a nurse , spoke about the emotional , physical , psychological and financial impact of her husband waiting for a heart transplant .

The pair , now both in their 50s , have been together since they were teenagers and live in Wyken .

Darren has been fitted with a left ventricular assist device ( LVAD ) , which Kerry said is crucial if he is to survive the wait for a new heart . The device is attached to a battery , and has to be plugged into the mains to charge at night .

" We try to stay positive , " she said . " Darren is incredible . We just want to make the best out of everything we can . "

Kerry @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ into heart conditions by running marathons and half-marathons -- and they are hugely grateful for Darren 's ongoing care and the support from Kerry 's employers at UHCW .

Kerry and Darren Slack , their two sons and partners after Kerry ran the London Marathon in aid of the British Heart Foundation

" We 're very grateful he 's still here , " she said . " He might not have survived this . Darren loved his job as a HGV driver , and his employers looked after him as long as they could , but they had to retire him on medical grounds . He has n't worked since it happened .

" It 's a constant battle to keep him well enough to have a transplant if the opportunity came up .

" It would mean he could have his life back . There 's so many things we ca n't do any more , and he 's only 52 . He 's still young .

" A transplant would help him have a second chance at life . Our eldest son just @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ the future . Just the fact that Darren could be at the wedding was fantastic .

" It 's a waiting game . " How to sign up

The law on organ donation is changing . Currently , you have to sign up to the register to pledge to donate your organs after you die .

You 'll just have to give some details such as name , address , date-of-birth and whether you would like to donate all your organs and tissue , or just some .

It 's also a good idea to discuss your decision with friends and family , so that they know your preference .

Darren Slack with his youngest son

But the law is changing . From spring 2020 , there will be an ' opt-out ' system whereby all adults will be assumed to have agreed to donate their organs unless they have stated otherwise .

Families will still always be involved in organ donation , so it is vital that they know your choice . In the lead up to the change in law @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ and Warwickshire to talk and share their decision . If the time comes , families find the organ donation conversation much easier if they already know what their relative wanted . " Take a moment to think about people who want just one thing this Christmas "

According to NHS Blood and Transplant , there are 45 people in Coventry awaiting organ donation , and 61 people in Warwickshire .

Anthony Clarkson , Director of Organ Donation and Transplantation at NHS Blood and Transplant , said : " Christmas is an incredibly busy time of year , however away from the rush and bustle of preparing for the holiday it should also be a time for family and thinking of others .

" We are urging everyone in Coventry and Warwickshire to take a moment to think about the people who will spend their Christmas hoping for just one thing ; a life saving organ transplant . Would you like to help if you could ? If you needed a transplant , would you want someone to donate to you ?

" Please let your @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ we can save more lives . Every precious organ donor allows more families to spend special times together .

" A quick chat can save lives , and we know that even at a time of grief families take enormous comfort and pride from their loved one 's donation . "

This was as poor as they have been , especially in the first half , which was hugely disappointing in itself .

But defeat and the manner of their performance also brought back into sharp focus the disappointment of five days earlier , when they dropped two points at Crystal Palace . And indeed a handful of similar occasions .

They have to make the best of days when they are good . Because they will not always be good .

The Seagulls remain on 20 points , five clear of 18th place , when it seemed for a while last Monday they were heading for 22 by Christmas .

Before that came Wolves , when the 2-2 draw was probably fair but the hosts were 2-1 up and had a moment to make it 3-1 before gifting a chance for their opponents to equalise .

Graham Potter was honest about his team 's performance on Saturday , his own decisions and the good work of a United side who remain unbeaten away from home as they look forward to the Etihad on their next trip .

The disappointment for Albion was @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ hit at Selhurst Park .

Potter said : " It 's a different game . How Crystal Palace defend is more of a zonal set-up . You can build your attacks a little bit more .

" Sheffield United are a bit more man-focused so you have n't got quite the space . The tactical set-up is a 5-3-2 as opposed to a 4-3-3 so there are lots of differences there .

" But , ultimately , we did n't play as well as we would like .

" They do what they do well . I have to give credit to them .

" They are unbeaten in the Premier League . We are not the only team in the Premier League who have found it difficult to play against them at home . "

Chris Wilder actually felt his side were below their best in terms of what they did with the ball . But they were very effective without it .

Their shape and set-up left Albion looking hesitant in possession . Too many easy passes went astray and they @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ of them . Their unease spread to the stands .

" It did n't take long , did it ? " Potter said . " It was about 20 minutes before the pressure comes and that is something for us to deal with as a group , as a team .

" If we think we are going to turn up at the Amex and just start passing through teams at this level , that is a concern because it does n't happen that easily .

" United attack quite direct , they attack down the side and they can overload you . There is a feeling of stress . It is not quite as controlled as you would like it to be . That is the challenge for us , trying to find a way through and we did n't . "

All that said , a bit of route one did not harm the Blades as they went ahead .

McBurnie latched on to a long ball by Henderson , got the better of Adam Webster and bounced off a Lewis Dunk challenge @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ near post .

By then , both sides had seen a goal ruled out .

Video ref Michael Oliver noticed John Egan had used his arm in forcing home an eighth-minute corner which Maty Ryan missed in flight .

The flag went up in more time-honoured fashion against Martin Montoya as he set up a Neal Maupay tap-in after Henderson parried Aaron Mooy 's shot into his path .

" We could have done one or two things . It was n't necessarily down to the individuals who were brought off . It was more trying to change the dynamic of the game .

" That is my responsibility and I take responsibility for that . It was n't good enough in the first half . "

But the hosts should have quickly been dead when McGoldrick seized on an error by the dithering Webster , rounded Ryan and missed an open goal .

Ryan had a dodgy moment when he dropped Egan 's header from an Oliver Norwood free-kick at the feet of Jack O'Connell , who put away the rebound . @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ offside and Albion were still alive .

The closest they got to making the most of that was after Dale Stephens threaded a pass which was out of keeping with much of the afternoon .

Connolly , the recipient , got the ball out from under his feet before curling a shot which Henderson tipped over . That might have been the cue for a big finish .

Instead , sub Lys Mousset and McGoldrick almost gave them insurance of a second goal . They never really looked like needing it .

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And awful plot devices like a dagger that was created to show the location of a macguffin by being shaped on the geography of a crashed spaceship is beyond retarded and worse than anything in TLJ . The force power nonsense and hyperdrive abuse has been consistent with both . It ? s all just lazy to write themselves out of a problem they couldn ? t solve .

@retro74 yep it was all too crammed course correction for me . Visually , I thought The Last Jedi have some incredible scenes .... but with this film I literally had my head in my hands at a few points and did it really take Chewie to make the only meaningful emotional connection with the audience ? I found the humour in TLJ really hit and miss though ; mainly miss .

Derblington wrote : And awful plot devices like a dagger that was created to show the location of a macguffin by being shaped on the geography of a crashed spaceship is beyond retarded and worse than anything in TLJ .

That was pretty shocking in hindsight . An ancient runic symbol written in a @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ to point out the hidden chamber of a current tech spaceship

Derblington wrote : And awful plot devices like a dagger that was created to show the location of a macguffin by being shaped on the geography of a crashed spaceship is beyond retarded and worse than anything in TLJ .

That was pretty shocking in hindsight . An ancient runic symbol written in a forbidden tongue , yet with a pull out protractor thing to point out the hidden chamber of a current tech spaceship

Everything was just so convenient , oh look there ? s a festival which happens every 42 years which we can hide in . Oh wow , it ? s Lando . Oh wait we landed in quicksand , that ? s bad . Actually it ? s great ! The dagger is hidden under here and we found a sick snake we can demonstrate force healing on , that should be important later . Oh no , chewie died . Oh cool ! He didn ? t ! Let ? s get him ! While we ? re here let @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ it got broken but yay ! We can use the dagger ! C3PO can read it ! Oh no , he can ? t unless we hack his systems . But wait I know a guy ! Etc etc

Derblington wrote : And awful plot devices like a dagger that was created to show the location of a macguffin by being shaped on the geography of a crashed spaceship is beyond retarded and worse than anything in TLJ .

That was pretty shocking in hindsight . An ancient runic symbol written in a forbidden tongue , yet with a pull out protractor thing to point out the hidden chamber of a current tech spaceship

I remember shaking my head at that one in particular . The fact the plot uses a macguffin to find a macguffin is lazy enough , but it 's unbelievable to me that somebody was paid to come up with a plot device that makes no sense on any level .

Star Wars is n't exclusively aimed at kids . I think it 's important for people to question why the writing @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ Target audience demographics are irrelevant .

spurslol wrote : Is this the thread where we over analyse and pontificate about a Disney kids film

No it ? s where we laugh about how shockingly lazy certain parts of the huge budget blockbuster was . I enjoyed the film , glad I saw it on the big screen , but fuck me there was some dumb shit doing the bulk of the heavy lifting throughout

As mentioned , plot holes and general weirdness are present in all SW but I don ? t think I ? ve ever sat in the theatre and had it be so immediately distracting to pull me out of watching the film other than TLJ and RoS . Because they aren ? t little things . In these two films they literally sink the narrative by being so totally , obviously stupid . And contradictory to all SW before them .

I ? m glad those of you enjoying the movie are doing so but I seriously don ? t understand how you can ? t see this stuff or don ? @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ holding SW to some unreachable standard due to rose-tinted specs , it ? s wanting a story in a movie that doesn ? t fall apart as you ? re watching it , SW or not . It ? s just garbage .

Yep this is absolutely spot on for me too . Right down to possibly the worst of the lot . At least the prequel films had lots of memorable moments , even if they were hammy as fuck . RoS has better acting but it 's so forgettable .

Agree with this too . There will always be holes with SW films . I 'm fine with that in general . I can bear plot holes in films as long as they are not overwhelming to the point that they repeatedly occur scene after scene .

Good guys had infinite health , apart from Princess Leia and I did n't find her final scene emotional at all . Bad guys dropped like flies . The spy was a bit silly . Deus ex machina and cameo-tastic . Death is pointless as you still survive @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ himself killed was just painful and drawn out unnecessarily .

The whole thing felt like a cross between a computer game and panto . And not in a good way .

I enjoyed it . The main problem with the new trilogy has always been the decision to give it to 3 different writter/director teams which had made TLJ stick out like a sore thumb .

When TLJ came out I did n't hate it like some . I liked how it challenged preconceptions and did its own thing but throughout the first 2/3 of RoS I kept thinking how much better it would be if episode 8 was more in keeping with episode 7 and 9. 7 and 9 feel like they 're part of the same trilogy. 8 feels like a wasted opportunity to have advanced the story towards where 9 went .

Maybe RoS should have tried to follow on from TLJ but honestly TLJ dead-ended so many story threads what choice did they have but to retcon some of them ?

Anyway like I say I enjoyed it . The plot @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ the script entertaining and it felt like a Star Wars movie .

And awful plot devices like a dagger that was created to show the location of a macguffin by being shaped on the geography of a crashed spaceship is beyond retarded and worse than anything in TLJ . The force power nonsense and hyperdrive abuse has been consistent with both . It ? s all just lazy to write themselves out of a problem they couldn ? t solve .

@retro74 yep it was all too crammed course correction for me . Visually , I thought The Last Jedi have some incredible scenes .... but with this film I literally had my head in my hands at a few points and did it really take Chewie to make the only meaningful emotional connection with the audience ? I found the humour in TLJ really hit and miss though ; mainly miss .

Derblington wrote : And awful plot devices like a dagger that was created to show the location of a macguffin by being shaped on the geography of a crashed spaceship is beyond retarded and worse than anything in TLJ .

That was pretty shocking in hindsight . An ancient runic symbol written in a @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ to point out the hidden chamber of a current tech spaceship

Derblington wrote : And awful plot devices like a dagger that was created to show the location of a macguffin by being shaped on the geography of a crashed spaceship is beyond retarded and worse than anything in TLJ .

That was pretty shocking in hindsight . An ancient runic symbol written in a forbidden tongue , yet with a pull out protractor thing to point out the hidden chamber of a current tech spaceship

Everything was just so convenient , oh look there ? s a festival which happens every 42 years which we can hide in . Oh wow , it ? s Lando . Oh wait we landed in quicksand , that ? s bad . Actually it ? s great ! The dagger is hidden under here and we found a sick snake we can demonstrate force healing on , that should be important later . Oh no , chewie died . Oh cool ! He didn ? t ! Let ? s get him ! While we ? re here let @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ it got broken but yay ! We can use the dagger ! C3PO can read it ! Oh no , he can ? t unless we hack his systems . But wait I know a guy ! Etc etc

Derblington wrote : And awful plot devices like a dagger that was created to show the location of a macguffin by being shaped on the geography of a crashed spaceship is beyond retarded and worse than anything in TLJ .

That was pretty shocking in hindsight . An ancient runic symbol written in a forbidden tongue , yet with a pull out protractor thing to point out the hidden chamber of a current tech spaceship

I remember shaking my head at that one in particular . The fact the plot uses a macguffin to find a macguffin is lazy enough , but it 's unbelievable to me that somebody was paid to come up with a plot device that makes no sense on any level .

Star Wars is n't exclusively aimed at kids . I think it 's important for people to question why the writing @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ Target audience demographics are irrelevant .

spurslol wrote : Is this the thread where we over analyse and pontificate about a Disney kids film

No it ? s where we laugh about how shockingly lazy certain parts of the huge budget blockbuster was . I enjoyed the film , glad I saw it on the big screen , but fuck me there was some dumb shit doing the bulk of the heavy lifting throughout

As mentioned , plot holes and general weirdness are present in all SW but I don ? t think I ? ve ever sat in the theatre and had it be so immediately distracting to pull me out of watching the film other than TLJ and RoS . Because they aren ? t little things . In these two films they literally sink the narrative by being so totally , obviously stupid . And contradictory to all SW before them .

I ? m glad those of you enjoying the movie are doing so but I seriously don ? t understand how you can ? t see this stuff or don ? @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ holding SW to some unreachable standard due to rose-tinted specs , it ? s wanting a story in a movie that doesn ? t fall apart as you ? re watching it , SW or not . It ? s just garbage .

Yep this is absolutely spot on for me too . Right down to possibly the worst of the lot . At least the prequel films had lots of memorable moments , even if they were hammy as fuck . RoS has better acting but it 's so forgettable .

Agree with this too . There will always be holes with SW films . I 'm fine with that in general . I can bear plot holes in films as long as they are not overwhelming to the point that they repeatedly occur scene after scene .

Good guys had infinite health , apart from Princess Leia and I did n't find her final scene emotional at all . Bad guys dropped like flies . The spy was a bit silly . Deus ex machina and cameo-tastic . Death is pointless as you still survive @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ himself killed was just painful and drawn out unnecessarily .

The whole thing felt like a cross between a computer game and panto . And not in a good way .

I enjoyed it . The main problem with the new trilogy has always been the decision to give it to 3 different writter/director teams which had made TLJ stick out like a sore thumb .

When TLJ came out I did n't hate it like some . I liked how it challenged preconceptions and did its own thing but throughout the first 2/3 of RoS I kept thinking how much better it would be if episode 8 was more in keeping with episode 7 and 9. 7 and 9 feel like they 're part of the same trilogy. 8 feels like a wasted opportunity to have advanced the story towards where 9 went .

Maybe RoS should have tried to follow on from TLJ but honestly TLJ dead-ended so many story threads what choice did they have but to retcon some of them ?

Anyway like I say I enjoyed it . The plot @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ the script entertaining and it felt like a Star Wars movie .

CHRISTMAS should be a time of happiness , charity and wanton over-indulgence . Yet as the big day approaches , its sparkle has been somewhat diminished by the political events of the last few months .

The general election loomed large over December , drowning out the music and magic of the season .

With the passage of the Withdrawal Agreement , the Brexit process will begin on the 31st of January . There is fierce disagreement among politicians and commentators about when it will be " done " but some suggest it will be around the time people stop using the word Brexit in everyday conversation .

Many are pessimistic about what 2020 will bring , but they should fear not . Snuggled between the doom and gloom there are plenty of reasons to be cheerful . Squint hard enough and you 'll see them .

Those who dislike Boris Johnson should take comfort in the fact that he will have a miserable New Year . Yes , he has a stonking majority which affords him all the power of the final boss in a video game , but that presents its own @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ things , but work ethic is not one of them . The hardest Boris Johnson has ever grafted was when he wrote two pieces setting out his pro-remain , pro-leave stance on Brexit for his newspaper column .

In 2020 Boris Johnson can not skulk into TV studios pointing at members of parliament and wailing " do n't blame me , the big boys did it ! "

His successes will be his own , but so too will his failures . Given he 's a man that often struggles to button up his shirt correctly I think we all know which way that scale will tip .

In the New Year we will see the battle between Holyrood and Westminster over a second Scottish independence referendum intensify considerably . As Johnson and Sturgeon square off in a game of ' ' my mandate is better than your mandate ' ' few believe that Boris Johnson will enclose a Section 30 order with his Christmas card to the First Minister .

Scotland - which has had another Conservative prime minister forced upon it that it did @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ festive cheer or hopeful for what the new decade will bring .

But there is hope . Scotland has a lifeboat from Brexit ready to be boarded , in the form of another referendum on independence .

The fact that said lifeboat is currently being held - chained and padlocked - in a UK government dock should not concern supporters of independence too much . Boris Johnson has the only key , and he 's forever losing things and forgetting where he put them . Like his principles , his wives and his undisclosed number of children .

Comedy lovers too , have much to look forward to in the year ahead . The Labour party is having a leadership election and we all remember how well the last one went .

After boldly declaring there would be a " period of reflection " in the wake of their disastrous general election performance , Labour are keen to prove that they have learned from their mistakes .

To that end , the favoured Corbynista continuity candidate , Rebecca Long Bailey , has hired Momentum organiser @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ listened carefully to feedback from voters on the doorsteps ( and expressing confusion as to why they were never invited inside for a cup of tea ) Labour politicians have concluded that they will simply carry on as usual .

Their talent pool might be greatly reduced but there are some competent would-be leaders to pick from on the backbenches . Alas , they are all Blairites . Labour party members simply wo n't countenance electing a leader that is too much like the last guy who won an election for them .

Leadership hopeful Emily Thornberry is already campaigning in earnest . She is pitching herself as a strong leader that could ably stand up to Bullingdon bully-boy Boris . In a bid to show just how tough she is , Thornberry has threatened to sue former Labour MP and colleague Caroline Flint . Their row centres around a comment made by Flint , in which she claimed Thornberry had branded her constituents stupid .

Giving us a taste of what we could expect from PMQs in the New Year , Thornberry said of the incident @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ it 's true , I can take it on the chin . But they ca n't make up s*** about me -- and if they do , I have to take it to the courts . It 's ridiculous , absolutely ridiculous . I have better things to think about than people going on television and making up s*** . ' '

We can meet the end of the year with despair and dread for what 's to come , or we can learn what will be an invaluable skill in the new Brexit Britain and lower our expectations .

No-deal is still a possible outcome and , in those circumstances , the prosperity that Boris Johnson has promised might prove as elusive as fresh food and medicines will be . Better to start off the New Year with as low a bar as possible and then if we make it to 2021 without rioting and a rationing programme , we can count it as a win .

We should be grateful for small mercies . Like Jo Swinson , for example . In losing her seat @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ her getting anywhere near the nuclear button has been removed .

Jo Swinson served as leader for a mere five months and now the LibDems have the unenviable task of finding somebody to replace her . It 's a process they will begin as soon as they have drawn lots to decide which poor souls will put themselves forward for the most unattractive job in politics .

And if all that was n't enough to make you positively jubilant about politics in 2020 , there 's yet another reason to be cheerful .

There is no justification to put Nigel Farage on television anymore . The moment the Brexit Party chickened out of standing candidates against the Conservatives in the general election , whatever influence it could be claimed he had was obliterated .

The broadcasters who enjoy Farage 's bombastic performances may suffer withdrawals in the early months , but they will soon get over it . Their cravings will be sated when they tune into I 'm a Celebrity Get Me Out Of Here and see their beloved chowing down on a kangaroo testicle @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ of the year that preceded it . While it may be stretching the case for optimism to suggest that things will get better , we should take comfort in the fact that they probably ca n't get much worse . Comments & Moderation

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IT is surely the tipple at the bottom of anyone 's Christmas list during the season to be jolly .

But water-based " mocktails " are vying with Prosecco and mulled wine for the attention of festive revellers this year after Scottish Water teamed up with one of Scotland 's leading bar groups .

Mixology experts from Montpeliers are supporting Scottish Water 's Your Water Your Life campaign by designing a new range of themed water-based mocktails that anyone can make at home , including a Christmas Cooler and Santa 's Spritz .

They say Scotland 's " soft " water with its low mineral content means it can absorb a huge amount of flavour from any ingredients added to it .

The Santa 's Spritz is based on water infused with chai tea , lemon zest , freshly chopped strawberry and vanilla mixed in a glass with ice , freshly-squeezed lemon juice and sugar .

Joey Medrington , group bar development manager at Edinburgh-based Montpeliers , said : " The best way to make @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ Scotland 's tap water has the remarkable property of being able to absorb a huge amount of flavour molecules -- think of it like making a cup of tea : the longer you leave it to infuse the more flavour you 'll get .

" This can be done very easily by adding the fruits or herbs you want to infuse into a large jar or bottle and leaving it in the fridge overnight , then straining off the next morning to produce delicious flavoured water . "

The campaign follows on from promotions by lager giant Tennent 's , which has marketed its pints as containing " the freshest water from Loch Katrine ... topped up by the glorious Scottish rain " .

In September whisky lovers were also urged to mix their favourite spirit with a new brand of " wild water " , Larkfire , costing ? 1 per can .

The water is sourced from the Isle of Lewis in the Outer Hebrides where three-billion-year-old gneiss rock is said to give it a " unique softness and natural purity " , which @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ also became the first in the world to gain international approval from the Oral Health Foundation in November after Scottish Water submitted evidence showing it was linked to healthier teeth and gums .

Brian Lironi , director of corporate affairs at Scottish Water , said the mocktails were a way of encouraging people to remain hydrated during the traditionally boozy party season , or to give drivers an alternative to plain water or soft drinks .

The NHS recommends the people consume the equivalent of six to eight glasses of water per day , which can include water consumed in the form of tea or coffee .

Drinking water is also associated with weight control as thirst is often mistaken for hunger .

Mr Lironi said : " This range of new water-based mocktails shows what you can achieve with a few additions to our great and tasty tap water .

" In the excitement and buzz around the festive season , the benefits of our tap water can easily be overlooked .

" It can be a busy time for many -- shopping @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ usual -- so being well hydrated will boost energy levels whether you 're dashing around grabbing last minute gifts or partying with friends .

" It 'll also keep you on form through the New Year and into 2020 .

" We know that Christmas is a great time for celebrations , but keeping hydrated is key to enjoying the time responsibly and ensuring that everyone has a happy and healthy Christmas . Equally , these delicious water-based mocktails may aid those to stick by their New Year resolutions or a dry January goal , by providing more alternatives to an alcoholic drink . "

Mr Medrington , whose Montpeliers group operates seven units in Edinburgh including Tigerlily and Candy Bar , also had tips for any would-be water mixologists at home .

He said : " To create cocktails we need to add a few more steps to amplify that flavour . The best way to do that is to enhance the ' taste elements ' in our drink . By taste elements we mean sweet , sour , salt , bitter and umami . @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ elements we can enhance the flavours of the fruits , herbs , teas and spices we use in our water to create truly delicious , Scottish Water-based cocktails . " Comments & Moderation

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We need to move away from FPTP and to PR to make each and every vote count . Also make politicians work together and not drive through contemptible policies as the Tories undoubtedly will do over the next five years .

Rubbish ! Tories enable employers to treat their employees like shit . Cut conditions to the bone , make it impossible to better your life through employment and then allow these psychopathic companies to avoid more tax in a year than benefits have been paid in 20 years . Benefits for the unemployed cost a tiny sliver of the tax you pay and every parsimonious penny paid goes straight back into the economy rather than the offshore tax havens you find societies real parasites .

I warned you that Corbaggedon was coming . If you have n't realised that your vision of the Labour Party is dead then you 're a goner too , Owen . Get out now , take Jezza and pals with you and for your own ragged band . Let Labour live again without you .

I agree with pretty much everything in this article . There is no doubt @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ in this country ( boundary cheating and a propaganda tool media , those ' number of voters to elect ' figures are shocking ) , and what is laid out in their manifesto constitutes putting the executive , the prime minister , above both the law and parliament . The last act in moving Britain from a democracy to a dictatorship .

Unfortunately , talk like " throwing under the bus " is designed to cauterize ' compromise ' . A mistake labour continually fall into and contributes to their election failures . What use is a party that is in perpetual opposition ?

There has to be a clean break . Not a clean break with the ' left ' . A clean break with the ' uncompromising left ' . A clean break from Corbyn . For Gods sake , that lesson should have been learnt in the seventies ( Foot ) , but just like the brexiter imbeciles , all the lessons from that era seem to have been forgotten by imbecile lefties as well .

I strongly disagree and think that the Labour @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @

If you ignore all the economic issues such as unaffordability , theft of assets and its effect on pensions , then sure . But responsible people care about these things .

Many an opportunity has failed due to failure to look after finances - good intentions do n't make numbers add up , and this bit is not disposable .

You are aware that during government austerity that most have seen their incomes fall in real terms .

Well , that 's what happens when there is an economic correction , and all the more reason not to completely cock up the nation 's finances again . This fall in real terms was produced as inflation reached 4% - wages are n't going to keep up with that . Wages have been growing at an increasing rate since 2014/15 , and wage growth has outpaced inflation since March 2018 .

Apart from the millionaires and billionaires who have seen their wealth increase massively .

That 's what happens with wealth ; let 's remember what takes the biggest hit during a correction - wealth @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ 's not actually lost $5bn , but his shares have . Wealth is n't income ; they do n't behave the same way .

The pendulum of power needs to be reset and it will not happen under the Tories !

Then come up with something that makes economic sense , rather than promising the world paid for by anyone else but the recipients . Take a look at tax rates in the Scandanavian countries , in France , in Germany .

Ah , you 've been with the professors and they 've all liked your looksWith great lawyers you have discussed lepers and crooksYou 've been through all of F. Scott Fitzgerald 's booksYou 're very well-read , it 's well-knownBut something is happening here and you do n't know what it isDo you , Mr. Jones ?

Oh just stop it now . Labors are finished , Tories can do whatever they want ( thanks to Corbyn ) ad no one can stop them now . People knew what they were voting for . If you do n't like it , there are so @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ voting against my own economic interests - and being on the losing side.The big new thing this time around is that it is abundantly clear just how much the working classes hate me and despise my values.Well , fuck ' em . Give them the result they wanted and let them have it good and hard .

Metropolitan liberals and ' heartland ' workers do not belong in the same political party . Maybe they never did .

A long as the left has OJs on its team , it wo n't get anywhere.If he , RL-B , Milne and momentum and their like are around we 've got no chance of winning the next election . Indeed I 'd go further . It would be the end of the party !

' The Left ' should already be well seasoned against what happens next by their alternating bouts of naked self-harm in lockstep with wanton mischief making on the part of the Borisconisti . If said Left still ca n't find the way to curb both proclivities , they will remain as useless a chocolate fireguard @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ the recent election disaster . Meanwhile , it will be up to the regular folk whose political parties have deserted them to take note of the warnings above and DO something about it for themselves . ( At this point , please feel free to say , " Fat chance " ) .

I would happily support a left leaning government that was centrist enough to win a consensus , knowing that many of the policies were enacted , if not all . Sticking doggedly to a left wing agenda that can not win a majority is only for those purists not concerned with making any changes

In the 2016 ref , 63% of Labour supporters voted Remain . The vast majority of Labour members were Remain . Most Labour MPs were Remain . The 18-24 age group were 73% Remain . ( Ashcroft Polls 24/06/16 ) The Corbyn cabal were Leavers , mainly on ideological grounds.The reason they gave for supporting Brexit was that they wanted to keep some bloke in Stoke . Well , they lost him anyway . He 's a Sun reader and thinks @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ Radio phone-in last week . Man from Wakefield on Starmer - ' how can people up north vote for an elite London lawyer ? ' He later said that he had voted for Johnson.That is the reality that Labour has to face . For me , as a sports coach , you play to your strengths and work on your weaknesses . The Labour leadership lost the plot .

Was Corbyn a factor ? In the end , after 4 years of continuous traducing by the establishment , including elements of his own party , yes . Was his unpopularity the only factor ? No . The sad fact for the UK is that it 's democracy has been successfully gamed by cynical billionaires and unprincipled charlatans . Good luck for the next 5 years . Brace yourselves , indeed .

I think to take all blame away from Corbyn is a bit simplistic . Yes what mentioned and how it has been spun by the Tories are to blame , however Corbyn and Labour 's handling of Brexit and their actions in blocking everything in Parliament by @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ to feel betrayed , I believe is the main cause .

- the North remains a disaster area unchanged throughout but they will still blame Europe and immigrants until they actually get work which is not in the cards at all .

There 's always been work in the north , which is why workers from Eastern Europe had no trouble finding jobs within days or weeks of arriving . The question is why did n't the ' locals ' bother applying for these jobs ?

Bliar and Brown two avid users of PFI for which we are all paying for today

Actually , you forgot about Labour 's decision to allow GPs to opt out of providing out of hours healthcare in 2004 resulting in the spike in A&E visits we now experience , plus the " Any Willing Provider " ( now known as " Any Qualified Provider " ) scheme introduced by Labour in 2009 .

So it 's funny how Labour have been successful in deceiving the unsuspecting that they do n't support privatisation of the NHS .

This is @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ were forced to walk to a sweety shop off campus for your Kit Kat .

Only joshing .

If you quite agreed with , for instance banning nestle ( who promote powdered milk to people who do n't have access to clean drinking water thus killing babies ) then why is it a problem that a democratically elected representative body did actually succeed in banning them ? All sounds like it 's working very well to me .

Even if much of what you say is correct , there are a few important things you still seem to be ignoring . 1 ) the you-know-best attitude when it comes to why voters voted the way they did , which is just too simplistic . 2 ) the smoke behind the fire of Corbyn 's unpatriotic antagonism against the West 's foreign policy and his on record support for failed , brutal and murderous regimes - Maduro 's Venezuela , Hamas , Hezbollah , Iran , Russia . 3 ) Germany never disappropriated companies ' wealth , let alone proposed to do it at less than full market @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ and keep government control over the majority of assets .

You are right that in France , the workers and middle class , and all those affected by the proposed retirement reform , recognize that the causes of their anticipated or real economic decline rest with Macron 's government . In the UK , Brexit was used as a cover up for the years of austerity , and placed the blame onto EU . The French at the moment fight the proper cause of economic problems and place it at the foot of their governemnt , in the UK Brexit serves as a red herring and redirects the grievance towards EU which in fact is a political union from which UK only benefits . Wrong causality . May we assume that all those who for a second believed in Brexit are poor readers of Spinoza ?

A very insightful contribution . You touch on the issue of the minimum wage ; it 's notable that pretty much the only source of wage inflation at lower earning levels since 2008 has been incremental increases in the minimum wage . @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ increased rent levels . It 's understandable therefore that Labour 's pro free movement argument meets voter resistance amongst those who would historically be their supporters .

You say : " Owen 's inability to even vaguely stay on the side of objectivity seemed to go off the scale when he said : " Expect the already cruel victimisation of minorities , ranging from Muslims to trans people , to accelerate . " Er what " cruel victimisation " , exactly ? Neither of these ' groups ' seem to hold back from defending their own positions , seem perfectly able to make their views known , and are the source of some of the shrillest activism in the modern identity debates . "

A minority of social media activists in certain groups may be shrill in their own defence . They have nothing to do with the lives and experience of the vast majority of people who are subject to racism , sexism and and other forms of discrimination or hate attacks . So much for your " objectivity " .

" These people claim to @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ but they care about them secondary to their ideology and they will not waste one microsecond feeling guilt or shame at what they , by making the left unelectable , have done to the country . "

We will have to disagree about that , I does ; t think they care for the poor or weak at all . It is simply a sick they can use to tryout beat their opponents and virtue signaling to divert people from their totalitarian agenda .

We need to move away from FPTP and to PR to make each and every vote count . Also make politicians work together and not drive through contemptible policies as the Tories undoubtedly will do over the next five years .

Rubbish ! Tories enable employers to treat their employees like shit . Cut conditions to the bone , make it impossible to better your life through employment and then allow these psychopathic companies to avoid more tax in a year than benefits have been paid in 20 years . Benefits for the unemployed cost a tiny sliver of the tax you pay and every parsimonious penny paid goes straight back into the economy rather than the offshore tax havens you find societies real parasites .

I warned you that Corbaggedon was coming . If you have n't realised that your vision of the Labour Party is dead then you 're a goner too , Owen . Get out now , take Jezza and pals with you and for your own ragged band . Let Labour live again without you .

I agree with pretty much everything in this article . There is no doubt @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ in this country ( boundary cheating and a propaganda tool media , those ' number of voters to elect ' figures are shocking ) , and what is laid out in their manifesto constitutes putting the executive , the prime minister , above both the law and parliament . The last act in moving Britain from a democracy to a dictatorship .

Unfortunately , talk like " throwing under the bus " is designed to cauterize ' compromise ' . A mistake labour continually fall into and contributes to their election failures . What use is a party that is in perpetual opposition ?

There has to be a clean break . Not a clean break with the ' left ' . A clean break with the ' uncompromising left ' . A clean break from Corbyn . For Gods sake , that lesson should have been learnt in the seventies ( Foot ) , but just like the brexiter imbeciles , all the lessons from that era seem to have been forgotten by imbecile lefties as well .

I strongly disagree and think that the Labour @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @

If you ignore all the economic issues such as unaffordability , theft of assets and its effect on pensions , then sure . But responsible people care about these things .

Many an opportunity has failed due to failure to look after finances - good intentions do n't make numbers add up , and this bit is not disposable .

You are aware that during government austerity that most have seen their incomes fall in real terms .

Well , that 's what happens when there is an economic correction , and all the more reason not to completely cock up the nation 's finances again . This fall in real terms was produced as inflation reached 4% - wages are n't going to keep up with that . Wages have been growing at an increasing rate since 2014/15 , and wage growth has outpaced inflation since March 2018 .

Apart from the millionaires and billionaires who have seen their wealth increase massively .

That 's what happens with wealth ; let 's remember what takes the biggest hit during a correction - wealth @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ 's not actually lost $5bn , but his shares have . Wealth is n't income ; they do n't behave the same way .

The pendulum of power needs to be reset and it will not happen under the Tories !

Then come up with something that makes economic sense , rather than promising the world paid for by anyone else but the recipients . Take a look at tax rates in the Scandanavian countries , in France , in Germany .

Ah , you 've been with the professors and they 've all liked your looksWith great lawyers you have discussed lepers and crooksYou 've been through all of F. Scott Fitzgerald 's booksYou 're very well-read , it 's well-knownBut something is happening here and you do n't know what it isDo you , Mr. Jones ?

Oh just stop it now . Labors are finished , Tories can do whatever they want ( thanks to Corbyn ) ad no one can stop them now . People knew what they were voting for . If you do n't like it , there are so @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ voting against my own economic interests - and being on the losing side.The big new thing this time around is that it is abundantly clear just how much the working classes hate me and despise my values.Well , fuck ' em . Give them the result they wanted and let them have it good and hard .

Metropolitan liberals and ' heartland ' workers do not belong in the same political party . Maybe they never did .

A long as the left has OJs on its team , it wo n't get anywhere.If he , RL-B , Milne and momentum and their like are around we 've got no chance of winning the next election . Indeed I 'd go further . It would be the end of the party !

' The Left ' should already be well seasoned against what happens next by their alternating bouts of naked self-harm in lockstep with wanton mischief making on the part of the Borisconisti . If said Left still ca n't find the way to curb both proclivities , they will remain as useless a chocolate fireguard @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ the recent election disaster . Meanwhile , it will be up to the regular folk whose political parties have deserted them to take note of the warnings above and DO something about it for themselves . ( At this point , please feel free to say , " Fat chance " ) .

I would happily support a left leaning government that was centrist enough to win a consensus , knowing that many of the policies were enacted , if not all . Sticking doggedly to a left wing agenda that can not win a majority is only for those purists not concerned with making any changes

In the 2016 ref , 63% of Labour supporters voted Remain . The vast majority of Labour members were Remain . Most Labour MPs were Remain . The 18-24 age group were 73% Remain . ( Ashcroft Polls 24/06/16 ) The Corbyn cabal were Leavers , mainly on ideological grounds.The reason they gave for supporting Brexit was that they wanted to keep some bloke in Stoke . Well , they lost him anyway . He 's a Sun reader and thinks @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ Radio phone-in last week . Man from Wakefield on Starmer - ' how can people up north vote for an elite London lawyer ? ' He later said that he had voted for Johnson.That is the reality that Labour has to face . For me , as a sports coach , you play to your strengths and work on your weaknesses . The Labour leadership lost the plot .

Was Corbyn a factor ? In the end , after 4 years of continuous traducing by the establishment , including elements of his own party , yes . Was his unpopularity the only factor ? No . The sad fact for the UK is that it 's democracy has been successfully gamed by cynical billionaires and unprincipled charlatans . Good luck for the next 5 years . Brace yourselves , indeed .

I think to take all blame away from Corbyn is a bit simplistic . Yes what mentioned and how it has been spun by the Tories are to blame , however Corbyn and Labour 's handling of Brexit and their actions in blocking everything in Parliament by @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ to feel betrayed , I believe is the main cause .

- the North remains a disaster area unchanged throughout but they will still blame Europe and immigrants until they actually get work which is not in the cards at all .

There 's always been work in the north , which is why workers from Eastern Europe had no trouble finding jobs within days or weeks of arriving . The question is why did n't the ' locals ' bother applying for these jobs ?

Bliar and Brown two avid users of PFI for which we are all paying for today

Actually , you forgot about Labour 's decision to allow GPs to opt out of providing out of hours healthcare in 2004 resulting in the spike in A&E visits we now experience , plus the " Any Willing Provider " ( now known as " Any Qualified Provider " ) scheme introduced by Labour in 2009 .

So it 's funny how Labour have been successful in deceiving the unsuspecting that they do n't support privatisation of the NHS .

This is @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ were forced to walk to a sweety shop off campus for your Kit Kat .

Only joshing .

If you quite agreed with , for instance banning nestle ( who promote powdered milk to people who do n't have access to clean drinking water thus killing babies ) then why is it a problem that a democratically elected representative body did actually succeed in banning them ? All sounds like it 's working very well to me .

Even if much of what you say is correct , there are a few important things you still seem to be ignoring . 1 ) the you-know-best attitude when it comes to why voters voted the way they did , which is just too simplistic . 2 ) the smoke behind the fire of Corbyn 's unpatriotic antagonism against the West 's foreign policy and his on record support for failed , brutal and murderous regimes - Maduro 's Venezuela , Hamas , Hezbollah , Iran , Russia . 3 ) Germany never disappropriated companies ' wealth , let alone proposed to do it at less than full market @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ and keep government control over the majority of assets .

You are right that in France , the workers and middle class , and all those affected by the proposed retirement reform , recognize that the causes of their anticipated or real economic decline rest with Macron 's government . In the UK , Brexit was used as a cover up for the years of austerity , and placed the blame onto EU . The French at the moment fight the proper cause of economic problems and place it at the foot of their governemnt , in the UK Brexit serves as a red herring and redirects the grievance towards EU which in fact is a political union from which UK only benefits . Wrong causality . May we assume that all those who for a second believed in Brexit are poor readers of Spinoza ?

A very insightful contribution . You touch on the issue of the minimum wage ; it 's notable that pretty much the only source of wage inflation at lower earning levels since 2008 has been incremental increases in the minimum wage . @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ increased rent levels . It 's understandable therefore that Labour 's pro free movement argument meets voter resistance amongst those who would historically be their supporters .

You say : " Owen 's inability to even vaguely stay on the side of objectivity seemed to go off the scale when he said : " Expect the already cruel victimisation of minorities , ranging from Muslims to trans people , to accelerate . " Er what " cruel victimisation " , exactly ? Neither of these ' groups ' seem to hold back from defending their own positions , seem perfectly able to make their views known , and are the source of some of the shrillest activism in the modern identity debates . "

A minority of social media activists in certain groups may be shrill in their own defence . They have nothing to do with the lives and experience of the vast majority of people who are subject to racism , sexism and and other forms of discrimination or hate attacks . So much for your " objectivity " .

" These people claim to @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ but they care about them secondary to their ideology and they will not waste one microsecond feeling guilt or shame at what they , by making the left unelectable , have done to the country . "

We will have to disagree about that , I does ; t think they care for the poor or weak at all . It is simply a sick they can use to tryout beat their opponents and virtue signaling to divert people from their totalitarian agenda .

Alan Judge holds his head after the defeat at Lincoln City Picture Pagepix

Luke , that must have been a painful one for Ipswich Town ?

LC : It was . We saw things happening that should n't really be happening on a football pitch and to concede five goals is not acceptable , especially given the way we 've defended as a team this season and pride ourselves on having a decent record of defensive clean sheets .

But things happened far too easily and we spoke for a long time after the game to try and find the answers in the dressing .

It 's not just people sitting there , nodding their heads with their heads down but actually standing up and giving an opinion to try and stop these happening .

What things were happening that should n't have been ?

LC : Everything that could go wrong , did go wrong .

Paul Lambert talks with Stuart Taylor after the defeat at Lincoln City Picture Pagepix

We were n't keeping the ball , were n't challenging centre-halves and not winning battlers in defensive areas . @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ like a knife through butter .

There 's nothing I can say that can make anyone feel any better .

What was it down to do you think ?

LC : I 'm not sure . Maybe we were so desperate to get ourselves back on the winning track that we 've left ourselves open whereas , at the start of the season , we had that little air of caution where we were keeping it solid , keeping it solid then bang , 1-0 .

The game was in our hands then whereas maybe now we 're trying to force the issue and taking quick throw ins or trying to start attacks quickly from the goalkeeper . That stretches us as a team .

We try to settle down but we keep doing the same things that were leaving us vulnerable .

Luke Woolfenden and Flynn Downes leave the pitch after the defeat at Lincoln City Picture Pagepix

Teams in this division are set up to defend , especially against us . We can say we had good possession and played some @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ . Winning football is what 's required in this division and we did n't play that in this game .

So it 's almost about going back to basics ?

LC : Almost , yeah . There 's nothing I can say that 's going to make anyone feel better but I can only apologise to all the travelling fans because they have been with us from day one . That 's a given and they are absolutely fantastic .

We need to start turning up , me included . We 've had a discussion about it and said that if things do n't change for us there will be even more choice words so we need to rectify some of the things and put ourselves in position to win games of football .

Would going back to that approach need a little patience from the fans do you think ?

LC : The fans can see that we 're trying but we 're maybe a little na ? ve .

Town fans watch the 5-3 defeat at Lincoln City Picture Pagepix

If @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ half then bang , by all means get the ball in from a throw-in but if you 're away from home then maybe just settle it down .

You have to balance out risk versus reward sometimes .

That 's not me being negative , it 's maybe trying to put yourself in the best position possible to win the game .

It sounds like there was an open forum for discussion in the dressing room , not just the manager or you having your say ?

LC : Yeah , but how can I come and comment when we 've conceded five goals . You have to take responsibility for your own patch and we have n't been good enough .

I said ' if I 'm saying stuff which is our of order or you disagree with then speak up ' because we 're all here for the benefit of Ipswich Town and all want to succeed as much as anyone .

Paul Lambert talks with Stuart Taylor after the defeat at Lincoln City Picture Pagepix

If there are things happening @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ people like it or not , then it has to be said because once you cross the white line together you need to feel like everyone 's on the same page .

That needs to happen in the dressing room so when you do have these discussions everyone needs to at least acknowledge it or have something to say .

Did people speak up ? Are there enough characters and leaders in the group ?

LC : There are characters and there are leaders but it 's easy to say . I do n't want to be sat here talking because people will be pointing fingers at me after this game because for whatever reason we have n't done our jobs .

I was saying before the game we have to nail down certain scenarios and we did n't do that today .

It sounds like the air was cleared a little bit ?

Flynn Downes at the final whistle after defeat at Lincoln City Picture Pagepix

LC : You have to . We ca n't have people leaving the dressing room , @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ responsibility . I 've come out and done this interview with you guys and taken responsibility for myself but we have another game .

There wo n't be many of us sleeping properly after that .

How worrying is this run ? It 's more than a blip , is n't it ?

LC : Yeah , of course it needs to be sorted . That 's why we 're having chats and why we need to find a way to change things .

We can talk about the first 15 games all we like but that 's a million miles away from where we are now .

Paul Lambert leaves the pitch after defeat at Lincoln City Picture Pagepix

Is it a worry , the situation you have got yourselves into ?

LC : No , I do n't think it 's a worry and it can easily be rectified . You may also want to watch :

We need to put ourselves in a good position to win games and if we are going to kick it long , @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ football .

We 're letting it get on top of us a little by being wide open and allowing teams to create chances out of nothing . We need to defend in numbers in certain positions on the pitch and I 'm sure we 'll do that come Wednesday .

Do you believe you should be up there this season ?

Town players are distraught after conceding the fifth goal at Lincoln City Picture Pagepix

LC : Why not ? We 're fourth in the league but the last 10 games tell a different story , although we 're still in a really good position despite being on a bad run .

Whoever played and contributed to those first 15 games need to really stand up and the boys around the squad as well need to stand up and be counted .

Those are clich ? s I do n't really want to use but what more can I say ?

Time for a settled side ? Would that help ?

LC : Yeah , absolutely . Go again , go again @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @

We 're not going to worry about anyone else from this day forward . We 're going to worry about Ipswich Town and see where it takes us .

Kayden Jackson is fouled at Lincoln City Picture Pagepix

Were the boys unsettled at all by the manager 's comments , when he cast doubt over his future ?

LC : ( Laughs ) You guys will make of that what you will ,

We 're all in there , pulling in the same direction and are looking to put this bad run behind us .

Are the young boys in that dressing room growing up quickly through all of this ?

LC : They are and they need to .

We 'll be in tomorrow ( Monday ) and maybe we 'll talk it through and maybe we 'll watch videos and see how things have happened , how we 've lost the ball , been beaten in the air , not held it up or not stopped a cross .

If you ca n't take that as a professional footballer @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ short this is an experience to learn from , is n't it ?

LC : Absolutely .

Is this something that can turn round in one game , with one result ?

LC : Yes , without a shadow of a doubt .

The small details are easily rectified and we need to have a lot more control on the pitch .

The referee Mr James Oldham is impervious to Flynn Downes ' claims for a penalty at Lincoln City Picture Pagepix

We did n't celebrate a goal in this game . Who are we , Man City playing in an FA Cup game against a League Two team ? No , we 're not , we 're Ipswich Town in League One playing Lincoln , are 1-0 down and have scored a free-kick . Go and celebrate .

The worst feeling as a professional footballer is watching the other team celebrate when you feel like you are in a good position .

That 's winning football .

The second goal to equalise , celebrate ! I said it to the @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ back to the halfway line as if we 're Man City playing against a League Two side .

We 're here for a reason and we need to enjoy these moments with your thousands of fans who have travelled to watch you .

Luke Garbutt 's been an absolute revelation for us and the best thing we can do is try and get him in for the foreseeable future .

Ipswich 's second goal at Lincoln City Picture Pagepix

He needs a home and I think he 's found one but every time he stands over a free-kick I think it 's an opportunity for us . Go and enjoy it , mate . Yes we want to get back in it but there 's so much time left .

All I can do is be brutally honest because that 's what I 've always done .

Those 1-0 wins from earlier in the season would be handy now , would n't they .

LC : Of course because we ca n't get ahead of ourselves and think that we battered everyone , @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ weeks and ground it out . We went 1-0 up which opened the game up and allowed us to have more chances .

But let 's not kid ourselves , we did n't batter anyone and we ca n't be thinking we should be up there with a divine right .

Will Keane nets Town 's third at Lincoln City Picture Pagepix

We need to work hard every single day in training .

Wednesday at Wycombe could be an ideal came , could n't it ? Beating the league-leaders on their own patch to kick-start your season ...

LC : We 're having conversations about kick-starting seasons when we 're fourth .

I wo n't say we would have taken this ( at the start ) but we do need to draw a line under this and have a 22-game season now which we 're looking forward to .

Are there any extra-nerves ? For me that came in the first 15 games because we needed to get off to a good start whereas now we potentially , some of us , maybe @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ questions I have the answers too and all I can do as captain is take responsibility .

We have another game , we 're in a good position and need to break this bad run .

Alan Judge holds his head after the defeat at Lincoln City Picture Pagepix

Luke , that must have been a painful one for Ipswich Town ?

LC : It was . We saw things happening that should n't really be happening on a football pitch and to concede five goals is not acceptable , especially given the way we 've defended as a team this season and pride ourselves on having a decent record of defensive clean sheets .

But things happened far too easily and we spoke for a long time after the game to try and find the answers in the dressing .

It 's not just people sitting there , nodding their heads with their heads down but actually standing up and giving an opinion to try and stop these happening .

What things were happening that should n't have been ?

LC : Everything that could go wrong , did go wrong .

Paul Lambert talks with Stuart Taylor after the defeat at Lincoln City Picture Pagepix

We were n't keeping the ball , were n't challenging centre-halves and not winning battlers in defensive areas . @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ like a knife through butter .

There 's nothing I can say that can make anyone feel any better .

What was it down to do you think ?

LC : I 'm not sure . Maybe we were so desperate to get ourselves back on the winning track that we 've left ourselves open whereas , at the start of the season , we had that little air of caution where we were keeping it solid , keeping it solid then bang , 1-0 .

The game was in our hands then whereas maybe now we 're trying to force the issue and taking quick throw ins or trying to start attacks quickly from the goalkeeper . That stretches us as a team .

We try to settle down but we keep doing the same things that were leaving us vulnerable .

Luke Woolfenden and Flynn Downes leave the pitch after the defeat at Lincoln City Picture Pagepix

Teams in this division are set up to defend , especially against us . We can say we had good possession and played some @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ . Winning football is what 's required in this division and we did n't play that in this game .

So it 's almost about going back to basics ?

LC : Almost , yeah . There 's nothing I can say that 's going to make anyone feel better but I can only apologise to all the travelling fans because they have been with us from day one . That 's a given and they are absolutely fantastic .

We need to start turning up , me included . We 've had a discussion about it and said that if things do n't change for us there will be even more choice words so we need to rectify some of the things and put ourselves in position to win games of football .

Would going back to that approach need a little patience from the fans do you think ?

LC : The fans can see that we 're trying but we 're maybe a little na ? ve .

Town fans watch the 5-3 defeat at Lincoln City Picture Pagepix

If @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ half then bang , by all means get the ball in from a throw-in but if you 're away from home then maybe just settle it down .

You have to balance out risk versus reward sometimes .

That 's not me being negative , it 's maybe trying to put yourself in the best position possible to win the game .

It sounds like there was an open forum for discussion in the dressing room , not just the manager or you having your say ?

LC : Yeah , but how can I come and comment when we 've conceded five goals . You have to take responsibility for your own patch and we have n't been good enough .

I said ' if I 'm saying stuff which is our of order or you disagree with then speak up ' because we 're all here for the benefit of Ipswich Town and all want to succeed as much as anyone .

Paul Lambert talks with Stuart Taylor after the defeat at Lincoln City Picture Pagepix

If there are things happening @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ people like it or not , then it has to be said because once you cross the white line together you need to feel like everyone 's on the same page .

That needs to happen in the dressing room so when you do have these discussions everyone needs to at least acknowledge it or have something to say .

Did people speak up ? Are there enough characters and leaders in the group ?

LC : There are characters and there are leaders but it 's easy to say . I do n't want to be sat here talking because people will be pointing fingers at me after this game because for whatever reason we have n't done our jobs .

I was saying before the game we have to nail down certain scenarios and we did n't do that today .

It sounds like the air was cleared a little bit ?

Flynn Downes at the final whistle after defeat at Lincoln City Picture Pagepix

LC : You have to . We ca n't have people leaving the dressing room , @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ responsibility . I 've come out and done this interview with you guys and taken responsibility for myself but we have another game .

There wo n't be many of us sleeping properly after that .

How worrying is this run ? It 's more than a blip , is n't it ?

LC : Yeah , of course it needs to be sorted . That 's why we 're having chats and why we need to find a way to change things .

We can talk about the first 15 games all we like but that 's a million miles away from where we are now .

Paul Lambert leaves the pitch after defeat at Lincoln City Picture Pagepix

Is it a worry , the situation you have got yourselves into ?

LC : No , I do n't think it 's a worry and it can easily be rectified . You may also want to watch :

We need to put ourselves in a good position to win games and if we are going to kick it long , @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ football .

We 're letting it get on top of us a little by being wide open and allowing teams to create chances out of nothing . We need to defend in numbers in certain positions on the pitch and I 'm sure we 'll do that come Wednesday .

Do you believe you should be up there this season ?

Town players are distraught after conceding the fifth goal at Lincoln City Picture Pagepix

LC : Why not ? We 're fourth in the league but the last 10 games tell a different story , although we 're still in a really good position despite being on a bad run .

Whoever played and contributed to those first 15 games need to really stand up and the boys around the squad as well need to stand up and be counted .

Those are clich ? s I do n't really want to use but what more can I say ?

Time for a settled side ? Would that help ?

LC : Yeah , absolutely . Go again , go again @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @

We 're not going to worry about anyone else from this day forward . We 're going to worry about Ipswich Town and see where it takes us .

Kayden Jackson is fouled at Lincoln City Picture Pagepix

Were the boys unsettled at all by the manager 's comments , when he cast doubt over his future ?

LC : ( Laughs ) You guys will make of that what you will ,

We 're all in there , pulling in the same direction and are looking to put this bad run behind us .

Are the young boys in that dressing room growing up quickly through all of this ?

LC : They are and they need to .

We 'll be in tomorrow ( Monday ) and maybe we 'll talk it through and maybe we 'll watch videos and see how things have happened , how we 've lost the ball , been beaten in the air , not held it up or not stopped a cross .

If you ca n't take that as a professional footballer @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ short this is an experience to learn from , is n't it ?

LC : Absolutely .

Is this something that can turn round in one game , with one result ?

LC : Yes , without a shadow of a doubt .

The small details are easily rectified and we need to have a lot more control on the pitch .

The referee Mr James Oldham is impervious to Flynn Downes ' claims for a penalty at Lincoln City Picture Pagepix

We did n't celebrate a goal in this game . Who are we , Man City playing in an FA Cup game against a League Two team ? No , we 're not , we 're Ipswich Town in League One playing Lincoln , are 1-0 down and have scored a free-kick . Go and celebrate .

The worst feeling as a professional footballer is watching the other team celebrate when you feel like you are in a good position .

That 's winning football .

The second goal to equalise , celebrate ! I said it to the @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ back to the halfway line as if we 're Man City playing against a League Two side .

We 're here for a reason and we need to enjoy these moments with your thousands of fans who have travelled to watch you .

Luke Garbutt 's been an absolute revelation for us and the best thing we can do is try and get him in for the foreseeable future .

Ipswich 's second goal at Lincoln City Picture Pagepix

He needs a home and I think he 's found one but every time he stands over a free-kick I think it 's an opportunity for us . Go and enjoy it , mate . Yes we want to get back in it but there 's so much time left .

All I can do is be brutally honest because that 's what I 've always done .

Those 1-0 wins from earlier in the season would be handy now , would n't they .

LC : Of course because we ca n't get ahead of ourselves and think that we battered everyone , @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ weeks and ground it out . We went 1-0 up which opened the game up and allowed us to have more chances .

But let 's not kid ourselves , we did n't batter anyone and we ca n't be thinking we should be up there with a divine right .

Will Keane nets Town 's third at Lincoln City Picture Pagepix

We need to work hard every single day in training .

Wednesday at Wycombe could be an ideal came , could n't it ? Beating the league-leaders on their own patch to kick-start your season ...

LC : We 're having conversations about kick-starting seasons when we 're fourth .

I wo n't say we would have taken this ( at the start ) but we do need to draw a line under this and have a 22-game season now which we 're looking forward to .

Are there any extra-nerves ? For me that came in the first 15 games because we needed to get off to a good start whereas now we potentially , some of us , maybe @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ questions I have the answers too and all I can do as captain is take responsibility .

We have another game , we 're in a good position and need to break this bad run .

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Singer-songwriter James Arthur is bringing his distinctive voice to Birmingham as part of his new UK arena tour .

The X Factor winner behind hits including ' Rewrite The Stars ' from The Greatest Showman Reimagined , ' Say You Wo n't Let Go ' and ' Impossible ' is playing Arena Birmingham on 7 March 2020 .

Since winning the ninth series of The X Factor , Arthur has sold over 25 million records worldwide and was @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ Spotify with his global hit ' Say You Wo n't Let Go . '

Only 18 records have achieved a billion streams on Spotify in history and the Middlesborough-born singer is one of 10 artists in the world to have achieved this . Read More Related Articles What 's Love Got Got To Do With It , Arena Birmingham , March 19

A brand new show celebrating the music of Tina Turner is coming to Birmingham .

Fans of the legendary singer can witness her music come to life at Arena Birmingham on Thursday , March 19 , 2020 , when What 's Love Got To Do With It arrives in the city for one night only .

Brought to the stage by the producers of Whitney - Queen of the Night , the show is set to blow fans away as they 'll hear some of her biggest hits performed live by world-class tribute artist , Elesha Paul Moses , supported by a live 10-piece band .

So get ready to sing along to some of Tina 's biggest hits that @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ and thrilling show is one not to be missed . Read More Related Articles Planet Earth II Live in Concert , Resorts World Arena , April 3

Planet Earth II Live in Concert

BBC Natural History Unit has announced that it 's taking the BAFTA Award-winning show on tour , bringing viewers closer than ever before to our planet 's spellbinding animals , landscapes and wildlife dramas .

Ticket-holders will journey through the steaming jungles of Madagascar , race alongside lions , face chilling Antarctic conditions with a family of penguins during this eye-catching , immersive experience . Read More Related Articles Cirque Du Soleil Crystal , Arena Birmingham , April 8 - 12

The dazzling show will skate into Resorts World Arena from Wednesday , 8 April - Sunday , 12 April 2020 .

This unique performance has proven a huge success in prior years , combining circus acts , acrobatics and aerial feats in one ice coated spectacular .

We 'll follow Crystal and her journey of self-discovery in a heart-warming tale that accompanies a gripping @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ visual projections , the show weaves popular music and the sound of Cirque du Soleil to create a one of a kind experience for spectators of all ages .

Tickets are priced from ? 36.20 and can be purchased from The Ticket Factory 's official bookings page here . The Pussycat Dolls , Resorts World Arena , April 8

The Pussycat Dolls ( Image : Ian West/PA Wire )

The Pussycat Dolls are to bring their highly-anticipated comeback tour to Resorts World Arena Birmingham on April 8 2020 .

It will be the first time the band have toured together since they split in 2010 . Now Nicole Scherzinger will join band members Ashley Roberts , Melody Thornton , Kimberley Wyatt , Carmit Bachar and Jessica Sutta to relive their hits on stage .

The Pussycat Dolls first emerged 20 years ago as a burlesque-style dance pop group and a huge tour of Europe and the UK during 2020 is to mark that anniversary .

Nicole Scherzinger said : " I love all my girls so much and can not wait to show @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ It 's been a long time coming but this feels like the perfect time to remind the world what it means to be a Pussycat Doll . " Read More Related Articles Cage Warriors , Arena Birmingham , April 18

Cage Warriors

The fighting fuelled show is set to have an ambitious year in 2020 with a record-breaking 15 events for the notorious Cage Warriors tour , and it will come to Birmingham .

Occupying a prestigious name for itself , the show has sent almost 100 fighters to the UFC , including Conor McGregor , Michael Bisping , Dan Hardy and more recently their former champions Nathaniel Wood , Jack Shore and Molly McCann .

The exhilarating night of sport comes to Arena Birmingham on 18 April 2020 .

The event has proved an overwhelming success in prior years and 2020 will bring 2 Birmingham born heavy hitters back to their home turf .

Cage Warriors president , Graham Boylan has said " Finding and building the next biggest stars of the sport is simply what we do , and @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ available now and can be purchased on The Ticket Factory 's official bookings page here . Andr ? Rieu , Resorts World Arena , April 23

Andre Rieu

World renowned violinist and conductor Andr ? Rieu is bringing his world tour to Birmingham - and the Johann Strauss Orchestra will join him .

Having sold more than 40 million CDs and DVDs in a career spanning over 30 years , Andr ? ' s classic tour is set to welcome thousands of fans to the city when it arrives at Resorts World Arena on Thursday , April 23 .

As well as being joined by the Johann Strauss Orchestra , the Platin Tenors and a number of international soloists will also accompany the King of the Waltz on his world tour .

Set to be packed with fantastic melodies from the world of film , opera and musicals , fans wo n't want to miss the chance to witness some of the greatest classical performers of the last three decades . Read More Related Articles Paul Heaton and Jacqui Abbott , @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ Abbott

Sporting three successful albums ( with a forth arriving shortly ) that have climbed as high as number 3 in the charts , Paul Heaton and Jacqui Abbott are preparing to embark on a dozen of dates in their tour of the UK .

They play at Arena Birmingham on Friday , April 24 2020 .

Whilst Paul and Jacqui 's music has brought joy to millions of people across the country , the relationship between the performers remains equally harmonious .

Paul , ex front man of The Housemartins and The Beautiful South , inevitably seems to have found a new articulation of creative freedom through his musical collaboration with Jacqui .

Jacqui herself looks forward to observing how concert attendees will respond to their powerful intentions for the show , saying " It 'll be a joy to see others react to something we took such pleasure out of making . " Read More Related Articles Bon Iver , Arena Birmingham , April 27

Justin Vernon is bringing his iconic American indie folk band Bon Iver to Birmingham @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ Awards and the Best Album title at the 2011 Q Awards , will play Arena Birmingham on April 27 , 2020 .

At the Birmingham gig , fans will be able to hear live renditions of favourite songs from the new album along with some from Bon Iver 's acclaimed debut album ' For Emma , ' ' Forever Ago ' and follow-ups ' Bon Iver , Bon Iver ' and ' 22 , A Million . '

This is another chance for fans to see Bon Iver as the band 's 2017 UK tour had to be cancelled when Vernon pulled the long-awaited European leg of the tour due to personal reasons . Read More Related Articles Evanescene & Within Temptation , Arena Birmingham , May 1

The rock legends ' collaboration will electrify Arena Birmingham on Friday , 1 May 2020 .

The European tour sees the female fronted band take on 18 arenas and promises to be a performance for the ages .

Evanescene have sold more than 17 million copies of their debut album ' Fallen ' worldwide @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ more than 3.5 million record sales . This combination of such notorious rockers will be a treat for fans and the bands alike .

Within Temptation 's lead vocalist , Den Adel , commented : " It is beyond our greatest expectations that a lot of our shows with Evanescence would sell out so quickly ! We are super grateful for this . Surprise ! "

Tickets are priced from ? 52.25 and can be purchased from The Ticket Factory 's official booking page here . Read More Related Articles WWE Live , Arena Birmingham , May 5

WWE is set to bring some of the ( literally ) biggest wrestling talent to Birmingham next year for a live spectacular .

WWE Live comes to Arena Birmingham on Tuesday , 5 May 2020 and promises a ring packed full of entertainment for the entire family .

Bursting with all the drama and energy of a rock concert , in a fun , lively and exciting environment , this show offers one of the most unique experiences to ever hit the stage . @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ of extras when attending the event with premium tickets and packages .

With The Superstar Meet and Greet Experience and Ramp Walk package , you 'll be sitting in the front two rows around the ring , meeting your favourite wrestlers and walking down the entry ramp as if you were one yourself !

Tickets are available now and can be purchased from The Ticket Factory here . Read More Related Articles Foals , Arena Birmingham , May 9

Indie rock band Foals have announced a new UK tour starting in late April 2020 .

The tour kicks off in Edinburgh and heads to London and Blackpool before their date here in Birmingham .

The Foals have been active since the mid-00s and , to date , they have released five studio albums . Their latest - Everything Not Saved Will Be Lost - Part 1 - came out in March 2019 and peaked at No.2 in the UK Albums Chart .

Part 2 of the album was released earlier this year and has received positive feedback from critics within the @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ album " underlines why its creators have continued to prosper long after so many of their late- ' 00s contemporaries have been lost to the waves . " Ru Paul 's Drag Race : Werq The World Tour , Arena Birmingham , May 12

The smash hit reality series will glow up Arena Birmingham on Tuesday 12 May 2020 .

British fans thought their luck had peaked when the seven-time Emmy winning US format spawned a UK version across the pond , but it appears that Rupaul has delightfully shocked us yet again .

The queens of drag will take to the arenas in a world tour of astonishing production value , building on the widely acclaimed success of the past three iterations of the tour .

You can expect to see some of your favourite acts from the globetrotting series , including the soon to be announced Season 1 Winner of RuPaul 's Drag Race UK , treating fans to both international and home grown talent . Read More Related Articles Jeff Dunham , Arena Birmingham , May 15

Jeff @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ cast of dysfunctional characters to Resorts World Arena on 15 May 2020 - including his new White House puppet .

A regular stand-up on tour , Dunham has been awarded " Billboard 's Top Comedy Tour " for three years based on box office sales .

With a YouTube channel of over 2.28 million subscribers and 10 million followers on Facebook , Dunham has gone on to attract more fans through his Netflix original stand-up specials Beside Himself and Relative Disaster .

Dunham also became a Guinness World Record holder for most tickets sold for a stand-up comedy tour when he toured previously .

This latest tour has only five UK dates , so be sure to book your ticket before they sell out .

Tickets can be purchased from The Ticket Factory 's official bookings page here . Read More Related Articles 5 Seconds of Summer , Arena Birmingham , May 16

The smash hit four piece are returning to the stage on their ' No Shame ' 2020 tour that has eight dates in the UK and Ireland pencilled @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ American Tour with The Chainsmokers , the Aussie band have played to nearly half a million fans in 2019 alone .

5 Seconds of Summer will bring their tour to Arena Birmingham on Saturday , May 16 , 2020 .

The band are ecstatic to be hitting the road once more and said : " We are so excited to bring the No Shame tour to the UK in 2020 . The new album is almost ready and we can not wait for people to hear it . "

The group have accumulated over seven billion streams and eight million equivalent album units worldwide , so concert tickets are expected to sell out rapidly .

You can get yours from The Ticket Factory 's official bookings page here . Read More Related Articles Trevor Noah , Arena Birmingham , May 23

The hilarious star of ' The Daily show ' , Trevor Noah , will be bringing his latest tour to Arena Birmingham on Saturday 23 May 2020 .

The 35 year old has become somewhat of a legend in the @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ Award for Outstanding Writing in a Comedy Series , plus two other nominations .

But it 's his political viewpoints and progressive attitudes that fuel his new found status . In April 2018 he set up a youth development initiative to help young people prepare for work and education through Microsoft .

The comedian is set to provide a ground breaking show , pulling laughter from different corners of life .

Tickets are on sale now and can be purchased from The Ticket Factory 's official bookings page here . Read More Related Articles Pet Shop Boys , Resorts World Arena , May 30

Pet Shop Boys are bringing their iconic synth pop sound back to Birmingham as their highly anticipated greatest hits tour Dreamworld stops off in the city .

The duo synonymous with the Eighties for hits including ' West End Girls ' and ' It 's A Sin ' will play Resorts World Arena on May 30 , 2020 .

It will be the first ever greatest hits tour that the Pet Shop Boys have done and will @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ , which includes title track ' Dreamland ' with Years & Years .

The tour gives fans the chance to see them perform tracks from over 35 years in the music business including their 2017 full album ' Super ' along with new material . Read More Related Articles Camila Cabello , Resorts World Arena , June 1

The ex-Fifth Harmony member will make a triumphant return to Birmingham in the summer of 2020 .

The highly anticipated Romance tour will ride off her upcoming album of the same title which has been met with overwhelming critical acclaim .

Camila 's 2020 tour will come to Birmingham Resorts World Arena on Monday 1st June 2020 .

The 22-year-old helms the crown of the most listened to female artist in the world on Spotify . She is the first female artist since Adele to triple up atop Billboard 's Hot 100 , Billboard 200 & Artist 100 charts .

We can expect her chart topping songs such as ' Shameless , ' ' Liar , ' ' Cry For Me , ' @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ her sophomore album . Whitesnake , Foreigner and Europe , June 3

Whitesnake , Foreigner and Europe are touring together for the ultimate soft rock gig of Eighties bands .

The rockers dazzle crowds at Arena Birmingham on June 3 , 2020 , in what is being described as one of the most anticipated tours of next year .

" Thrilled beyond words we can finally come see you all in the UK " said Whitesnake singer David Coverdale .

" It 's going to be one helluva night together ... with our friends Foreigner and Europe . Ca n't wait . See you soon , " he added .

Foreigner are one of the world 's best-selling bands of all time with worldwide sales of more than 80 million records . Whitesnake and Foreigner are also no strangers to success , known for hits such as ' Here I Go Again , ' ' Is This Love , ' ' I Want To Know What Love Is ' and ' Waiting For A Girl Like You . ' Read More Related @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @

The 24-year-old singer-songwriter and former model will be performing at Arena Birmingham on June 10 2020 .

The date is part of her Future Nostalgia UK tour which is also calling at venues in London , Manchester , Leeds , Cardiff , Newcastle , Glasgow and Dublin .

In mid-November , she released ' Do n't Start Now , ' the lead single from her upcoming second album due in 2020 .

The song is already a massive hit worldwide with well over 170 million streams to date . Already an iTunes Global No 1 , the track is also in the Top 10 on European Radio in the Top 20 on US Radio and climbing .

London-born artist has had a whopping 12 top 40 singles in the UK , including No 1 hits with ' One Kiss ' and ' New Rules . ' Her self-titled debut album remains the most streamed female record ever on Spotify . Related Articles Crowded House , Arena Birmingham , June 18

Crowded House , the Eighties rock band behind hits ' Do n't @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ ' , are making a long-awaited return with a visit to Arena Birmingham .

The Australian rock band will be at Arena Birmingham on Thursday June 18 , 2020 .

Founding members Neil Finn and Nick Seymour will be joined by Mitchell Froom , Liam Finn and Elroy Finn to entertain fans with some of their greatest hits including It 's Only Natural , Locked Out , Something So Strong and Fall At Your Feet .

It 's been nearly 10 years since Crowded House 's last album , Intriguer , and the band promise that new music is on the horizon . Along with the tour , they will also be appearing as a headliner at the Byron Bay Blues and Roots festival .

Tickets for their gig at Arena Birmingham are priced from ? 40.75 including fees , and can be purchased from The Ticket Factory here . Read More Related Articles Diana Ross , Arena Birmingham , July 6

Diana Ross

The 75-year-old , who confirmed earlier this year she was performing at Glastonbury Festival 2020 , will @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ unforgettable show .

She said : " I am in total appreciation of all . I 'm feeling Great , life is so good . My love , my light is steady and constant . I focus on joy . I love looking at the energy all around me . I am so so so grateful . "

Expect a night of dancing along to her biggest hits , including ' I 'm Coming Out , ' ' Ai nt No Mountain High Enough ' and ' Upside Down . '

The Supremes singer is an icon and international treasure , so it is unsurprising that tickets have already started to rapidly sell out in anticipation for the long awaited gig .

Tickets are now on sale for her show from The Ticket Factory 's official bookings page here . Read More Related Articles Paw Patrol Live ! , Arena Birmingham , August 11 - 12

PAW Patrol Live !

PAW Patrol Live ! Race to the Rescue will be at city centre venue Arena Birmingham on August 11 and 12 @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ series on Nickelodeon produced by Spin Master , PAW Patrol Live ! Race to the Rescue brings everybody 's favourite pups to the stage for an action-packed , high-energy , musical adventure .

The show emphasises that ' no job is too big , no pup is too small ' and shares lessons for all ages about citizenship , social skills and problem-solving as the characters each use their unique skills and teamwork !

The show incorporates an innovative costume approach that brings the pups to life on stage with their vehicles and packs during the all-important rescue mission .

Featuring up tempo music , a cleverly written script , classic theatrical scenery and a hi-tech video wall , the performance is an excellent and entertaining introduction to live theatre for young children .

The rock and rollers are touring in support of their critically-acclaimed new studio album , Rise , to just four venues in the UK .

Joe Perry stated " I 'm looking forward to be getting back on the road with the guys in the Vampires this summer . It 's @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ of tunes from our new album as well as a few from our dead , drunk friends . "

Joining Hollywood Vampires are special guests Primal Scream , a band that has demonstrated a savvy for keeping themselves current throughout their 30-year career .

Tickets for the band 's gig are priced from ? 52.25 ( including fees ) and can be purchased from The Ticket Factory here . Read More Related Articles Stormzy , Arena Birmingham , September 19

The mega star behind the platinum selling #1 album , ' Gang Signs & Prayers ' , will be venturing on a momentous world tour next year that hits Arena Birmingham on 19 September 2020 .

A showman like no other , Stormzy 's remarkable ascent has been accompanied by his honest and relatable character .

Known for evolving the underground musical landscape , as well as being a perennial political agitator , Stormzy is a true spokesman of black empowerment and social activism .

His musical accomplishments are second to none , becoming the first British Rapper to ever headline @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ hours , a first in Ibiza history to have a ticketed event sell out off the island prior to the event .

His momentum continues with this world wide tour that is set to prove why the rapper rightfully deserves the countless prestigious awards in his possession .

Tickets for Stormzy 's show can be purchased from The Ticket Factory 's official bookings page here . Read More Related Articles Deep Purple , Arena Birmingham , October 8

Deep Purple , the band considered the unholy trinity of British hard rock and heavy metal in the early to mid-1970s , will be hitting Birmingham on their brand new tour .

Fans will be able to see them at Arena Birmingham on 8 October 2020 .

The band have sold more than 120 million albums over six decades since forming in 1968 , and are eager to get back on the road to please British Fans .

Group member Ian Gilligan said " It is fantastic to be playing some home shows again . The band is cranking and full of it @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ songs , du n no how we 're going to squeeze it all in , but we always manage somehow . Ca n't wait to blow your socks off . "

They will be supported by Blue ? yster Cult who have for more than four decades , been thrilling fans of intelligent hard rock worldwide . Read More Related Articles Micheal Bolton , Resorts World Arena , October 17

The American legend that is Micheal Bolton will embark on a huge UK tour that takes in 13 dates in 2020 .

Given Bolton 's stature as the man behind 3 sold out tours already , news of his latest musical venture proves unsurprising given the heavy demand from fans .

He will bring his ' Love Songs Greatest Hits Tour ' to Resorts World Arena on Saturday 17 October 2020 .

The 66-year-old boasts the Hitmakers Award from the Songwriters Hall of Fame and countless other awards including 6 American Music Awards , 9 Million-Air awards and even a Star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame .

Yet , for @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ him . In 1993 he founded The Michael Bolton Charities and has since been devoted himself in assisting women and children at risk of many articulations of abuse .

Tickets to the multi-talented artist 's tour are priced from ? 32.35 ( including fees ) and can be purchased here . Read More Related Articles Ozzy Osbourne , Resorts World Arena , October 31

We are delighted to report that the Prince of Darkness has re-scheduled his tour , with new dates from October 23 in the UK until December 7 , and he will be in Birmingham for Halloween !

You will be able to catch the Black Sabbath star at Resorts World Arena on Saturday , October 31 - original tickets remain valid , and Judas Priest will remain as special guest .

Ozzy has said " I ca n't wait to get off my ass and get going again , but you 're just going to have to be a bit more patient . "

" I want to be 100% ready to come out and knock your f***ing @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ still got gigs to do and also there 's a new album on the way . To the fans , I sincerely thank you for your patience , your loyalty , I love you . " Read More Related Articles The Four Tops and The Temptations , Arena Birmingham , November 4

The Four Tops and The Temptations - two iconic bands synonymous with Motown in the 1960 's - will come together for a gig at Arena Birmingham on November 4 .

It is set to be a cavalcade of Sixties hits from ' My Girl ' to ' Reach Out I 'll Be There ' and many more .

The Four Tops , whose first Motown hit was in 1964 with Baby I Need Your Loving , combined their Blues , Pop and Jazz influences to create a marathon of hits .

Abdul " Duke " Fakir , aged 83 , is the only surviving member of the original band as Levi Stubbs , and he performs with Lawrence " Roquel " Payton Jr , who is the son of the @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ , who joined The Four Tops in 1999 .

The Temptations , who were propelled to fame with the hit ' The Way You Do ' also became known for their smooth stepping routines .

The gig in 2020 will feature their current band members of Otis Williams , Ron Tyson , Terry Weeks , Larry Braggs and Willie Greene Jr . Related Articles The Australian Pink Floyd Show , Arena Birmingham , November 7

The critically acclaimed The Australian Pink Floyd Show will play at Arena Birmingham on Saturday 7 November 2020 as part of a new tour featuring tracks from Pink Floyd 's classic albums .

The All That You Feel tour will feature classics from Meddle , The Dark Side of the Moon , Wish You Were Here and Animals .

Described as The Kings of the Genre , The Australian Pink Floyd Show has sold five million tickets worldwide since its first concert in Adelaide in 1988 .

Striving to reproduce the Pink Floyd experience and bring the music to new audiences , the show continues to include @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ state of the art high resolution LED screen technology and other special effects .

To accompany these visuals are several large inflatables including a giant pig and their own distinct Pink Kangaroo .

Tickets for the one of a kind show are priced from ? 34.75 ( incuding fees ) and can be purchased from The Ticket Factory 's official bookings page here . Read More Related Articles Ant Middleton , Arena Birmingham , November 14

The Special Forces veteran , Ant Middleton , will bring his ' Mind over Muscle ' show to Arena Birmingham on Saturday 14 November 2020 .

The best-selling author , fresh from a series of adventures including putting SAS wannabes through their paces and climbing Everest , will play 19 dates around the UK .

On stage , Ant shares personal stories from his extreme adventures and TV shows and explains his ' Zero Negativity ' and ' Fear Bubble ' approach to harnessing fear and living without limit .

Touching on the new tour , Ant said : " The power of your mind @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ and philosophy on how to live your best life . There are two lives you can be living , the one you are living now and the better one which is just a step away ! "

Tickets to Ant 's show are available now and can be purchased on The Ticket Factory 's bookings page here . Read More Related Articles Thunder , Resorts World Arena , November 20

Thunder ( Image : Publicity pic )

Thunder will mark three decades of rock when they touch down at Birmingham 's Resorts World Arena for a show on Friday November 20 .

The band is playing its first headline shows in the UK since 2017 . The Birmingham gig is part of a five-date UK tour that follows the band celebrating 30 years at the top of the tree with the release of The Greatest Hits album at the end of September .

Frontman Danny Bowes said : " After Please Remain Seated and The Greatest Hits releases this year , work on the next studio album is already underway . " @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ shows . I 'm chuffed to report that it 's all new tunes , and it 's all ROCK . The set list will be a mix of the new album and fan favourites , so it 's going to be a bit of a job working out which tunes we 'll play . "

Special guests at all shows will be Ugly Kid Joe , with a different opening band for each arena , especially chosen by Thunder .

The show has been frequently praised by reviewers and concert goers alike , commending its attraction to multiple age groups and value for money by packing so much talent into one stellar night .

Tickets are priced ? 40.75 and can be purchased now from The Ticket Factory 's Official Bookings page here . Deacon Blue , Arena Birmingham , November 25

Deacon Blue

Scottish punk rock stars of the 80s , Deacon Blue , wowed a generation and topped the charts with hits like Real Gone Kid .

2020 is set to be a big year for the Glasgow band who have @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ Europe - and a new album , by the same name .

They will be touring the UK in November and December 2020 - arriving at Arena Birmingham on November 25 2020 .

Boasting seven million album sales , two number one albums and fourteen hit singles , we can expect a remarkable night of music from the band 's gig in Brum .

Lead singer Ricky Ross said : " We 're so looking forward to you hearing City of Love and getting out on the road , playing new songs and old songs too . Every time we tour now it feels like a celebration because our fans are still there and it 's a delight for us . We 're planning to make this the best one yet . " Read More Related Articles The Birmingham International Tattoo , Arena Birmingham , November 28 - 29

Birmingham International Tattoo

Tickets for the royal affair at Arena Birmingham on Saturday 28 and Sunday 29 November 2020 are on sale .

Culminating marching bands and jaw dropping displays , the @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ Grand Finale that has repeatedly wowed spectators for years on end .

The three hour extravaganza is led by the world-famous Band and Corps of Drums of Her Majesty 's Royal Marines , and we 've welcomed marching bands from France , Poland and the Netherlands to join our home grown talent in the past .

The event has become an annual tradition in Birmingham and a proud showcase of military activity .

Get your tickets now for the momentous event from The Ticket Factory 's official bookings page here . Read More Related Articles Pete Tong Presents Ibiza Classics , Arena Birmingham , December 3

Revered DJ , broadcaster and dance pioneer Pete Tong has announced the return of Ibiza Classics with The Heritage Orchestra and conductor Jules Buckley .

The show has toured the UK throughout the years and been met with acclaim from audiences and critics alike , praising Tong for effectively pulling the vibrant club scene of Ibiza into their home turf .

Now the tour will hit Arena Birmingham in the latter end of next year @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ Radio veteran , Tong has presented some of the most iconic shows for the broadcaster including ' The Essential Mix ' and ' The Essential Selection ' series , a celebration of dance music 's trending artists and songs .

Now Tong has ventured out with the help of Jules Buckley 's Orchestra to construct the most iconic classical electronic music event of all time .

Tickets for the show in Birmingham are available now from The Ticket Factory 's official bookings page here . Read More Related Articles Mo Gilligan , Arena Birmingham , December 4

The award-winning funny man will be bringing laughs to Arena Birmingham on Friday 4 December 2020 .

Star of The Lateish Show , Gilligan has risen to become one of the UK 's biggest breakout stars in comedy . His stand-up is known for its high-energy and stunning physicality .

The 31 year old said " My favourite thing is performing live to those who like what I do . The last few years have been so phenomenally life changing - and that 's all @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ his success is primarily down to him , earning a BAFTA nomination , awards for Best Entertainment Performance and Best British Comedian , he helms the crown of " The Funniest Man in Britain " according to The Times .

Tickets for his " Mo to life " tour are available now and can be purchased from The Ticket Factory here .

Protesters are expected outside major stations this morning to demand reforms , following the general increase of 2.7 per cent in fares .

One campaign group warned that travellers face " another decade of misery " with ticket price rises outstripping income growth . Sign up to our daily newsletter The i newsletter cut through the noise

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Research showed that fares for commuters rose twice as fast as wages over the past decade , and that a season ticket on some UK routes is up to seven times more expensive than similar European journeys . Rail rip-off ( 2020 edition )

A separate survey by a passenger watchdog , Transport Focus , found that just 47 per cent of travellers are satisfied with the value for money of train tickets . Data produced by Network Rail has shown that last year barely two thirds of trains arrived punctually , within one minute of their scheduled time .

Bruce Williamson of campaign group Railfuture said : " Welcome @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ on earth is the Government going to meet its climate commitments by pricing people off environmentally friendly trains and on to polluted and congested roads ? "

In Scotland , where a season ticket between Glasgow and Edinburgh will go up ? 116 a year to ? 4,200 , there were demands for the Scottish Government to rescind the rise .

John Finnie MSP , transport spokesman for the Scottish Greens , said : " It 's wrong to ask passengers to pay significantly increased fares when so many have had to deal with poor services over the past year . " ' Decade of misery '

The 2.7 per cent UK-wide general increase in fares , by which more than ? 100 will be added to some annual tickets , is pegged to the RPI measure of inflation each July , which this year stood at 2.8 per cent .

The rise was significantly above the more widely used CPI measure , which stood at 2.1 per cent in July . The Campaign for Better Transport urged the Government to switch to CPI for @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ " .

Travellers endured delays and cancellations in 2019 , with major disruption to Northern , TransPennine Express and West Midlands Trains .

David Sidebottom , director of Transport Focus , said : " After a year of pretty poor performance in some areas , passengers just want a consistent service they can rely on and better chance of getting a seat . "

Train companies said that they were investing in improving services . Robert Nisbet , a director at industry body the Rail Delivery Group , said : " Rail companies have , for the third year in a row , held average fare increases below inflation while continuing to deliver investment in new trains and extra services .

" In 2020 , we will work together to run 1,000 extra services a week and roll out 1,000 more train carriages as we replace half the country 's train carriages . " ' We are sick to the back teeth '

Simon Tilley , 39 , is a self-employed auditor from Northampton and is a campaigner for the Association of British Commuters @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ : " Being self-employed and having to travel all around the country means a season ticket does not really work out for me . But I looked back over my tax returns and saw that in 2015 a journey from Northampton to London was around ? 50 return . This has now gone up to ? 64.10 . Fares are rising at double the rate of wages . I am now working for less than I was five years ago .

" This is pricing people out of using public transport . We are all sick to the back teeth of having to pay more year after year . "

Mr Tilley will be at King 's Cross station in London today protesting against the fares hike as well as calling for a dramatic overhaul of the current system .

" If it is a binary choice between privatisation or nationalisation , we can see that privatisation is costing the earth and failing -- it can not be deemed a success , " he added . " The only other option is to renationalise the railways , @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ " Cost tracker -- ticket hikes Price of a 12-month season ticket bought now compared to one purchased before the increase .

" We know that passengers find the ticketing system far too complex . The presence of cheaper fares that are ' hidden ' in the system damages trust between passengers and train companies .

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Over the years , LeBron James has become something of a social media savant . He uses it to shape narratives , raise eyebrows or even settle issues when the basketball world or his team grows chaotic .

This summer , in the weeks following the Cleveland Cavaliers ' loss to the Golden State Warriors in the NBA Finals , with the foundation of the franchise eroding with each passing news cycle , James ' Instagram account has been a mirthful sea of calm -- poking fun at his bald head in a workout video , throwing a glib jab at frenemy Draymond Green , posting a picture of his son 's birthday cake and his longtime trainer 's birthday party and , on July 7 , posting a shot of himself frolicking on a beach in Mexico . Editor 's Picks

There was no whiff of the organizational failures to keep former general manager David Griffin , or to hire Chauncey Billups to replace him . There was not even a hint at the disappointment James felt when potential trades for Paul George and Jimmy Butler fell through before and after the June 22 @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ text message from Indiana Pacers general manager Kevin Pritchard undid an agreement on a blockbuster deal for George the Cavs were just starting to celebrate , a moment that now lives in infamy within the organization .

Instead , in post after post , James has repeated one hashtag : #striveforgreatness .

The truth is these Cavs might not be striving for greatness together much longer . James has yet to give any assurances of his intention to stay beyond next summer . Yet , even with the sudden stress , there 's a strong belief that if this group stayed together , it could be right back in the Finals next June .

That was James ' message anyway : The highly filtered , expertly constructed group plan James constantly reinforced publicly through social media and privately through a delicate team alchemy found on the way to Cleveland 's first title in 52 years in 2016 .

But on July 7 , as James was enjoying the end of his vacation in Mexico , Kyrie Irving had another agenda .

Irving was tired of @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ another superstar -- even one of the best players of all time -- in control of his fate . Yes , he had learned from James in the three seasons they 'd played together . Yes , he was appreciative . But Irving felt the time had come to take his destiny into his own hands . He wanted to be the centerpiece of a team , as he thought he was going to be three years ago , when he signed a five-year extension 11 days before James decided to come home .

James has signed three contracts with the Cavs since Irving 's long-term commitment , and James can be a free agent again next year . Although he has given no legitimate indication he wants to leave Cleveland , he has also given no ironclad indication he wants to stay for a fourth contract . And it is unlikely he will offer any such assurance about his future in the short term , a reality everyone involved with the Cavs has been aware of .

And so on July 7 , the kid who used @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ moves in the driveway of his New Jersey home , walked into a planned sit-down with Cavs owner Dan Gilbert and asked to be traded . Then he told him he preferred it to be to one of four teams : the Minnesota Timberwolves , San Antonio Spurs , Miami Heat or New York Knicks .

Irving had been thinking about this day for some time . In preparation , he 'd reached out to people he trusted seeking advice on how to go about it .

Over the previous few months , the Cavs had been worried about Irving 's mindset . They knew at times he 'd grown unhappy with playing a secondary role on the team . Griffin had several conversations with Irving throughout the year , sources said , trying to find ways to improve the situation . But Irving had become irritated before , the side effects of James ' greatness -- and largesse -- wearing on him . The Cavs had been able to navigate it , and they hoped to again .

Of all the things an NBA general manager @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ perhaps most important . You can get salary-cap experts for the financial wizardry necessary to pilot an NBA franchise . Coaches are tasked with strategy and player development . But everything else -- the competing agendas , the massaging of superstar ambitions and frustrations -- all that falls on someone else . A behind-the-scenes guy , an assistant coach with a high emotional intelligence or , in Cleveland 's case , the GM .

There is perhaps no front-office role in the NBA with as complicated a set of personalities to manage as the Cavs ' job . From the famously eruptive and impatient Gilbert , to James ' blend of passive-aggressiveness and Irving 's penchant to retreat and pout or beat himself up , the Cavs have been walking on something of an emotional tightrope for the past three years . Griffin always managed it -- or them , as it were -- as best he could . But by July 7 , Griffin was in New York , meeting with the Knicks and deciding whether he wanted to be their general manager . His time in Cleveland @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ Gilbert declined to give him a new contract .

Could LeBron James and Kyrie Irving part ways after three seasons together ? Elsa/Getty

Much of Irving 's disenchantment with James was rooted in game play , sources said . James , as a once-in-a-lifetime talent , controlled the ball more than any other forward perhaps in league history . Which means the ball was out of Irving 's hands more than he preferred . That said , Irving led the Cavs in shots in the 2016-17 season , averaging 1.5 more per game than James , and Irving averaged a career-high 25.9 points . It was the first time in James ' career he did n't lead his team in shots per game .

But there were ancillary issues that bothered Irving , too , such as how James ' good friend Randy Mims had a position on the Cavs ' staff and traveled on the team plane while none of Irving 's close friends were afforded the same opportunity . Irving chafed about how peers such as Damian Lillard and John Wall were the center of @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ there , as Wall was envious of Irving 's Nike shoe deal and Lillard has never advanced beyond the second round of the playoffs . Irving has been to three Finals and has a championship .

Several times during the Cavs ' playoff run , Irving had long , intense conversations with James as they tried to get the team into a groove following a choppy and inconsistent regular season , sources said .

After a horrible loss to San Antonio on March 27 , one in which Irving tied a career-worst plus-minus rating of minus-29 , as he scored only eight points on 4-of-13 shooting , Irving was distraught . The Cavs had just lost for the third time in four games to fall out of first place in the Eastern Conference for the first time all season .

Irving put up extra shots on the Spurs ' court , then went into the Cavs ' locker room , buried his feet in a bucket of ice and covered his head with a towel as he had an extended and emotional conversation with James .

@ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ championship is enough . It 's natural for human beings to just get comfortable , " Irving said a few days later , after he 'd had time to process . " But if you a m-----f----- , you want two championships , you want three , you want four , like you say you do . And I want more . I 'm going to go take it . My job as one of the leaders on the team is to bring my guys with me . "

James had come to understand and admire Irving 's insatiable drive . He 'd also come to understand that sometimes he needed to give his 25-year-old co-star space to process things on his own .

After the season , there was a desire to arrange a meeting to clear the air from all sides , sources said , but it did n't take place . Unlike most teams , the Cavs did not have postseason exit meetings with their players . Had a meeting with Irving taken place , the Cavs might have learned of the severity of his @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ on other matters , namely Griffin 's future .

In the week after the end of the Finals , two events took place : George informed the Indiana Pacers he did not plan to re-sign with them , and he entered the trade market full force . And Griffin and Gilbert were unable to come to terms on a contract . Griffin left the franchise , along with assistant GM Trent Redden .

What followed was a whirlwind , with the Cavs putting forth a series of trade packages looking to acquire either Butler or George . Some of these talks included Irving , which upset him even more when he found out about it , sources said . Previously , Griffin had worked to keep lines of communication with Irving open , but now Irving was in the dark .

The Cavs made an offer to the Bulls for Butler , sources said , but Chicago never seriously engaged them , and there was no traction . Butler communicated with Cavs players -- including James and Irving , according to sources -- but the sides were @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ the draft , sources said , the Cavs had talks with the Phoenix Suns and Utah Jazz as they looked for a way to get George . The most serious of those conversations involved the Suns and a package including the No. 4 overall pick and Eric Bledsoe . The Jazz had expressed interest in Irving for the past few years , but sources said those discussions never got that serious .

On draft night , as the Chicago Bulls were finalizing a deal with the Wolves to move Butler , the Cavs were feverishly trying to assemble a three-team trade with the Pacers . The Denver Nuggets had a strong desire to acquire Kevin Love and became a legitimate trade partner with Indiana . The Nuggets were willing to include wing Gary Harris and the No. 13 pick in that night 's draft to get Love , and the Cavs would reroute the assets to Indy for George , sources said .

But they could n't complete the deal . Indiana was working on another option with the Portland Trail Blazers , sources said , as they @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ . Eventually , everyone moved on and the Nuggets traded the No. 13 pick to Utah in a package for Trey Lyles .

Over the next week , the Cavs were in a state of uncertainty . Billups had two interviews with Gilbert , one in Detroit and another in Cleveland , but he had n't accepted the job . Meanwhile , Koby Altman had moved from No. 3 to acting No. 1 , working on trade calls as the interim GM while hearing reports of Billups and whom he might bring in to fill his front office .

Kyrie Irving 's trade demand is the latest , and perhaps most serious , consequence of the dysfunction in Cleveland since the NBA Finals . Joe Murphy/NBAE via Getty

The Cavs kept working with the Nuggets , trying to win a deal that would satisfy the Pacers and allow Denver to get Love and the Cavs to get George . Both were concerned about Boston , who could trump their offers for George but might have been waiting to see if it could secure Gordon Hayward in free @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ June 30 , the sides thought they had a deal . On a conference call between the teams , everyone tentatively agreed . George to the Cavs , Love to the Nuggets , Harris and other pieces to the Pacers , sources said .

Plans were put in place for a call to be arranged between George and Gilbert , an important step before the trade would become final , sources said . The front office began making other plans to complement George as free agency was about to begin .

But then Pritchard , who had been on the conference call when the deal was tentatively agreed to , sent the message that his team was backing out , sources said . There was no deal .

The teams tried to save it , but shortly thereafter , news broke that George was being traded to Oklahoma City . Pritchard might have had many reasons for changing his mind , including not wanting to trade George to a division rival . In the end , all that mattered was George was no longer an option for @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ . He withdrew from consideration of being Griffin 's replacement on July 3 after several rounds of contract talks with Gilbert failed . Four days later , with the coaching staff and front office in Las Vegas for the start of summer league , Irving 's stunning request came .

After the meeting , Gilbert flew to Nevada to join the team and for the standard summer ownership meetings . He called a meeting in his hotel suite with his front office , including Altman , and informed them of Irving 's request , sources said .

It was a long meeting in which the group began the difficult discussions about how to move forward . They decided they would take their time , study the process and look for a way to maximize the situation . Gilbert gave his young group a jolt of confidence and they left believing they could still emerge from this situation OK . Irving has immense trade value , and they would have the chance to retrofit the roster in a way that might help them against the Warriors .

In @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ began to hear the news . Some were taken aback .

" Sure , we 've had our fair share of moments and kind of chaotic times , and that 's obviously been well documented , but at the same time we 've had a lot of joy , " one Cavs player told ESPN . " I hope Kyrie is with us , that 's all I got to say . At the end of the day , we 're pretty f---ing good . "

The situation remained mostly secret , though rumblings of Irving 's displeasure started to ripple through the summer league rumor mill . Gilbert opened contract talks with Altman to take over as permanent GM , eventually agreeing with him on a three-year contract . Altman decided to make Mike Gansey , who once played for the Cavs ' D-League team in Erie , Pennsylvania , and has slowly risen through the ranks after starting as an intern , his No. 2 .

Then , on Friday , it went public with an ESPN report , and the Cavs ' phones started @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ team and players had already gone through stages of shock .

That included James , who changed his social media mood late Saturday , going melancholy . In his classic , multilayered way , he posted a short video on Instagram with a new song from Meek Mill called " Heavy Heart " blasting inside a car , nodding and shaking his head to these lyrics :

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Technical studies suggest Sterling could yet still rise to levels against the Euro not seen since 2016 , however such gains are unlikely to occur as soon as this week as the UK currency endures a soft start to 2020 .

Sterling was on the back foot as the new year commended , with the move lower coming without any obvious catalyst , but some analysts suggest lingering anxieties over upcoming trade negotiations between the EU and UK could be playing a part in the currency 's weakness .

The Pound is likely to remain in a consolidative pattern against the Euro over coming days , as the soft start to 2020 extends a little further . However , at some point over coming weeks the GBP/EUR exchange rate could recommence themedium-term rally that has been in place since August 2019 .

Technical analysts at Commerzbank have suggested that a break above the exchange rate 's recent @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ Pound is a buy upon any weakness .

Above : Pound-to-Euro rate shown at 4-hour intervals .

" Our bias within these two limits is neutral but near term while capped by the 5 month downtrend we will err on the bearish side and allow for another failure and possible retest of the 0.8239 recent low , " says Karen Jones , head of technical analysis at Commerzbank , referring to the inverse of GBP/EUR .

A EUR/GBP rate of 0.8239 would mean a Pound-to-Euro rate of 1.2137 , which is above the recent peak around 1.2080 and would be the highest level seen by Sterling against the Euro since June 29 , 2016 - barely more than a week after the Brexit referendum .

Jones says the EUR/GBP rate will remain offered below the 55-day moving-average of 0.8587 , which means the Pound-to-Euro rate is expected to retain an upside bias above 1.1645 . But she 's told clients to walk away from their bets on Sterling if the exchange rate happens to fall below 1.1627 .

" EUR/GBP at the end of last @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ moving average at .8226 , but the rebound has so far been capped by the 5 month downtrend at .8596 , " Jones writes in a briefing to clients .

Above : Pound-to-Euro rate shown at weekly intervals .

AA Pound Sterling : What to Watch

Pound Sterling softened against both the Euro and Dollar heading into the weekend as investors responded to an admission by President Donald Trump that U.S. forces were responsible for the killing of a senior Iranian military commander in Iraq , stoking tensions between the two rivals that are likely to again set the agenda in currency markets early in the new week .

Tensions were already rising between the U.S. and Iran after the White House said the U.S. was responsible for an earlier missile attack on an Iran-backed militant group in Iraq , although the death of targeting of General Qassem Soleimani earlier in the week has exacerbated the fued . And President Trump may now have upped the stakes again when saying via his Twitter feed late Saturday the U.S. has preselected 52 sites inside Iran for @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ personnel in Iraq or elsewhere are targeted by Iran-enabled forces .

Investors are unlikely to welcome the hawkish White House rhetoric , which could see risk assets remain on the back foot Monday and safe-havens continue to outperform . That would benefit the Dollar against all currencies other than the Japanese Yen and Swiss Franc but it also provide support to the Euro in the short-term if it forces more international investors out of emerging markets . In that environment the now-slow-moving domestic story could easily fall by the wayside for Sterling .

Monday sees the IHS Markit final services PMI for December released at 09:30 and consensus is for the earlier ' flash ' estimate of 49.0 to be revised higher to 49.1 , although risk might be to the downside given that both the construction and manufacturing surveys have already surprised on the downside despite markets also looking for upward revisions there too .

" Figures covering the pre-election period are affected by high political uncertainty , so the poor PMIs for December should n't cause too much concern , " says Andrew Wishart at @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ for the post-election period . It is in these we need to see some improvement in order to confirm a " Boris bounce " . If that does n't happen , expect interest rates to be cut in the following months . "

Tuesday sees the Withdrawal Agreement Bill back before parliament for the ' committee stage ' before the whole of House , which could take until the end of Wednesday , while Lords amendments and the Third Reading of the bill are expected to take place Thursday . The bill is the legislative vehicle through which the withdrawal agreement is brought into force .

Prime Minister Boris Johnson 's withdrawal bill is widely expected to become law given the scale of the Conservative majority so the event itself is seen by analysts as unlikely to move the Pound , which will leave Sterling to take its cues from developments in the international arena and on the charts .

That being said , Johnson will meet European Commission chief Ursula Von der Leyen in Downing Street on Wednesday as markets wait to hear if a possible @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ Trump will be confirmed . Senior Tories have been calling for the government to waste no time in starting parallel trade negotiations with the U.S. and Foreign Secretary Dominic Raab is set to meet Secretary of State Mike Pompeo in London Thursday , although that meeting may now be overshadowed by the State Department 's ire over the UK 's response to recent events in Iraq , which has echoed that of France and Germany .

" Three and a half years after the EU membership referendum , the UK will finally leave the EU in 4 weeks ' time , " says Jane Foely , head of FX strategy at Rabobank . " The tone and the pace of the talks between the UK and the EU will be instrumental for guiding GBP in the months ahead and we see ample scope for GBP/USD to dip back to the 1.28 area as politicians on both sides lay out their positions . If an appropriate deal is successfully negotiated it is possible that GBP/USD could trade in a 1.35-1.40 range in 2021 . That said , there is a @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ realistic prospect . "

AA The Euro : What to Watch

Europe 's single currency advanced on the Dollar and Pound during the European session Friday but still close the week a fraction lower against both , although the outlook for the week ahead is uncertain .

The Euro was borrowed and sold frequently last year in order to fund wagers on emerging market currencies , which have all cratered ever since the killing of Iran 's General General Qassem Soleimani , so it could benefit intermittently from weakness in the developing world if investors have to buy back the single currency in order to exit their exotic trades . And those emerging market currencies , not to mention other risk assets , might not fare too well on Monday when markets wake to the latest threats from the U.S. against Iran .

" The Japanese yen should once again outperform - especially against those risk-sensitive currencies directly exposed to oil exports via the Straits of Hormuz , i.e. the Korean won and the Indian rupee . Notably EUR/USD has shown very little correlation with @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ we would favour higher USD yields and US near energy independence keeping EUR/USD gently offered , " says Chris Turner , head of strategy at ING .

Fresh geopolitical tensions have prompted fears of a conflict with Iran in the Gulf and thrown the Dollar a lifeline because previously it was being crushed by jubilation over Trump 's claim that the much-vaunted but always-elusive ' phase one deal ' to end the trade war with China will be signed at the White House on January 15 . That had fueled an increase in so-called risk currencies as well as the Euro , although economic data due out of Europe will also have an impact on the Euro-to-Dollar rate in the week ahead .

Key items on the economic docket include Eurozone inflation figures for December as well as German factory orders and industrial production numbers for November . With Europe 's most recent and ongoing bout of economic weakness having its roots in the industrial sector of the continent 's largest economy , Wednesday and Thursday 's figures will be watched closely by the market for signs of @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ were shown stabilising for the month of December , suggesting the worst of the global industrial sector 's woes may now be behind it .

Markets are looking for Eurozone inflation to rise from 1% to 1.3% for the month of December and for the core rate of inflation , which excludes food and energy items from the goods basket , to hold steady at 1.3% .

The numbers are unlikely to cause any harm to the Euro although the European Central Bank ( ECB ) is seen as unlikely to lift its interest rate any time soon whatever the economic and inflationary weather so the data might not do much positive for the single currency either . German factory orders are expected to have risen 0.3% in November after declining -0.4% in October while industrial production is seen rising 0.9% , which would partially reverse a 1.7% decline from the previous month . The numbers will need to beat market expectations in order to have any hope of engineering and upturn in the Euro-to-Dollar rate .

" The greenback remains a well-functioning safe haven for global @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ fall , investors push into the dollar , " says Ulrich Leuchtmann , head of FX strategy at Commerzbank . " It is therefore not surprising that , in light of the news of US air strikes on Iran , the Dollar Index ( DXY ) is rising and marching towards 97.00 again , and that EUR-USD is relinquishing most of its gains from the end of 2019 . "

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Pound Sterling saw a quarter of a percent decline in value against the Euro at the start of the new week , with losses taking the Pound-to-Euro exchange rate onto the cusp of a fall below the psychologically significant 1.20 level .

The @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ into the black against the single currency for 2020 but exchange rate is nearing technical resistance on the charts and economic data is due to test appetite for the British currency in the coming days .

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Frank Augstein/APPhotograph : Frank Augstein/APSean **32;11967;TOOLONG defeats Caruana to retain World Chess Championship in tie-breakers -- as it happenedhttps : **31;12001;TOOLONG ... **25;12034;TOOLONG href= " https : **33;12061;TOOLONG ... retains world title after winning first three rapid **43;12096;TOOLONG says he looks forward to making another bid for **42;12141;TOOLONG class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-28T19:31:32.401Z " >7.31pm <span class= " timezone " **29;12185;TOOLONG ... **39;12216;TOOLONG all for today . </strong> Be sure to check out <a href= " https : **33;12257;TOOLONG ... Ingle 's report</a> of today 's finale and thanks for following along for the past three weeks . See you in 2020 ! </p><p> <span>Related : </span><a href= " https : **33;12292;TOOLONG ... Carlsen beats Caruana in tie-breakers to retain World Chess crown</a> </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-28T19:27:41.317Z " >7.27pm <span class= " timezone " **29;12327;TOOLONG ... **36;12358;TOOLONG players are asked if they would consider visiting the White House were either to receive and invitation from Donald Trump . </strong> " I 'll refrain from answering that question , " Caruana says . Answers Carlsen : " I do n't think it 's very relevant for me , unfortunately . " Republicans buy sneakers , too . </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-28T19:21:03.823Z " >7.21pm <span class= " timezone " **29;12396;TOOLONG ... **36;12427;TOOLONG prime minister of Norway has checked in. </strong>Erna Solberg sends her congratulations to the champion . </p><p lang= " no " dir= " ltr " >Gratulerer med VMseier <a href= " https : **27;12465;TOOLONG ? refs ... @MagnusCarlsen</a> , vi har tverrpolitiskfeiring ! <a href= " https : **30;12494;TOOLONG ? sr ... <a href= " https : //t.co/zsTZOXNvFv " >pic.twitter ... class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-28T18:53:49.405Z " >6.53pm <span class= " timezone " **29;12526;TOOLONG ... **33;12557;TOOLONG " The result shows that he is the strongest player in the world and he is the world champion , so it 's fitting , " Caruana says . </strong> He 's clearly disappointed , but the American has nothing to hang his head about after going blow for blow with the world No 1 for three weeks . </p><p lang= " en " dir= " ltr " >A remarkable moment in the post-match statements . <a href= " https : //t.co/hrx7OswvLs " >pic.twitter ... class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-28T18:48:11.428Z " >6.48pm <span class= " timezone " **29;12592;TOOLONG ... **43;12623;TOOLONG of the post-game press conference are forthcoming . </strong> But Caruana released the following statement on social media almost immediately after today 's final move . </p><p lang= " und " dir= " ltr " ><a href= " https : //t.co/R4C5EaNVBh " >pic.twitter ... class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-28T18:35:34.855Z " >6.35pm <span class= " timezone " **29;12668;TOOLONG ... **39;12699;TOOLONG a replayable look at today 's decisive game . </strong>The king stay the king . </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-28T18:26:00.773Z " >6.26pm <span class= " timezone " **29;12740;TOOLONG ... **36;12771;TOOLONG after the last couple of moves ( 49 . Qe3 50. c8=Q f4 51 . Qg4 ) , it 's over with a handshake ! </strong> Magnus Carlsen has retained the world chess championship for a third time with a dominant performance in today 's tie-breakers . Says grandmaster Judit Polgar in the commentary booth : " What a match . What a player . What a drama . " **29;12809;TOOLONG <span>Related : </span><a href= " https : **33;12840;TOOLONG ... Carlsen beats Caruana in tie-breakers to retain World Chess crown</a> </p><p lang= " en " dir= " ltr " >Here 's Caruana 's final handshake , as seen from <a href= " https : //twitter.com/vgnett ? refsrc=twsr ... @vgnett</a> 's <a href= " https : **33;12875;TOOLONG ... broadcast . <a href= " https : //t.co/bxfsj7dvDb " >pic.twitter ... class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-28T18:20:34.433Z " >6.20pm <span class= " timezone " **29;12910;TOOLONG ... **37;12941;TOOLONG continues ( 46 . Qd6 Qa1+ 47 . Kh2 Nd4 48. c7 Qc3 49 . Qc5 ) but hope for Caruana is lost . </strong> Magnus Carlsen is moments from a third successful defense of the title that <a href= " https : **33;12980;TOOLONG ... captured from Viswanathan Anand in 2013</a>. </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-28T18:18:48.916Z " >6.18pm <span class= " timezone " **29;13015;TOOLONG ... **35;13046;TOOLONG . ... Ne6 was a blunder and Carlsen can win the game outright . </strong> He keeps going : 44. a4 Nc7 45 . Qf4 Ne6 . Everything collapsing for the American now . </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-28T18:14:38.992Z " >6.14pm <span class= " timezone " **29;13083;TOOLONG ... **36;13114;TOOLONG the celebrations in Norway begin . </strong> We appear bound for a draw after 35 . ... Qd1+ 36 . Kh2 Qd6+ 37 . Kh1 Nd4 38 . Qe4+ f5 39. gxf5 exf5 40 . Qe3 Ne6 41. b4 Ng5 42. c5 Qf6 43. c6 Ne6. </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-28T18:12:33.965Z " >6.12pm <span class= " timezone " **29;13152;TOOLONG ... **39;13183;TOOLONG a look at the board after 32 . ... Nxd7 33 . Qxd7 Qxc2 34 . Qe8+ Kh7 35 . Qxa8. </strong>Carlsen not entirely out of the woods yet . </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-28T18:07:37.032Z " >6.07pm <span class= " timezone " **29;13224;TOOLONG ... **34;13255;TOOLONG queenside majority for white against black 's weaker king following 30 . ... Qxe5 31 . Nd7 Qb2. </strong> Carlsen then plays 32 . Qd6 , which seems to force an draw . May be time to put the bubbly on ice . **25;13291;TOOLONG class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-28T18:00:56.118Z " >6.00pm <span class= " timezone " **29;13318;TOOLONG ... **34;13349;TOOLONG lot of material off the board over the next few moves : 25 . ... Qc7 26. e5 dxe5 27 . Nxc5 Rxd2 28 . Rxd2 Rxd2 29 . Qxd2 Ba8 30. fxe5. </strong> The simpler the position the better for Carlsen . Sesse <a href= " http : //analysis.sesse.net/ " >has it dead even</a> , emphasis on dead for Caruana , who requires nothing short of a full point to keep his title challenge alive . **25;13385;TOOLONG class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-28T17:55:17.836Z " >5.55pm <span class= " timezone " **29;13412;TOOLONG ... **40;13443;TOOLONG plays 24. g4. </strong> A possible overextension ? The computers <a href= " http : //analysis.sesse.net/ " >seem fine with it</a> . Caruana answers with 24 . ... Qa5 and Carlsen hits back with 25 . Na4 . The champion is playing for the win here , not unlike his tie-break win over Karjakin two years ago in New York . **25;13485;TOOLONG class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-28T17:51:18.603Z " >5.51pm <span class= " timezone " **29;13512;TOOLONG ... **40;13543;TOOLONG trying to keep the position complex through 18. b3 h6 19. g3 Rd7 20 . Bf3 Re8 21 . Qf2 Ne7 22. h3 Red8 23 . Bg2 Nc6. </strong>If there 's good news for the American , it 's that he 's managed to put his opponent in a bit of time trouble . </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-28T17:44:31.754Z " >5.44pm <span class= " timezone " **29;13585;TOOLONG ... **40;13616;TOOLONG is in good shape after 12 . Rfd1 Ne5 13 . Bxc5 bxc5 14. f4 Ng6 15 . Qe3 d6 16 . Rd2 a6 17 . Rad1 Qc7. </strong> Sesse <a href= " http : //analysis.sesse.net/ " >likes it</a> , too . </p><p lang= " en " dir= " ltr " ><a href= " https : **33;13658;TOOLONG ... T3 : This looks quite comfortable for white in a must-win situation for Caruana. <a href= " https : //t.co/moFbNPnVlg " >pic.twitter ... class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-28T17:38:55.940Z " >5.38pm <span class= " timezone " **29;13693;TOOLONG ... **35;13724;TOOLONG they go with 6 . ... Nf6 7 . Nc3 O-O 8 . Be3 b6 9 . Be2 Bb7 10 . O-O Qe7 11 . Qd2 Rfd8. </strong>A solid start by the champion , who needs only a draw to retain the title . <a href= " https : **33;13761;TOOLONG ... Russian grandmaster Alexander Grischuk : " If Fabiano makes a comeback it will probably be the greatest comeback in chess history and the level of Liverpool 's comeback against Milan in the Champions League final . " </p><p lang= " en " dir= " ltr " >6 . Nc2 Nf6 7 . Nc3 O-O 8 . Be3 b6 9 . Be2 Bb7 10 . O-O Qe7 11 . Qd2 Rfd8 Carlsen is trying to play rock solid ! He just wants a draw and forces Caruana to go nuts if he wants to win . That is his simple game plan . <a href= " https : //t.co/w81fZ4dXDJ " >pic.twitter ... class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-28T17:32:08.622Z " >5.32pm <span class= " timezone " **29;13796;TOOLONG ... **38;13827;TOOLONG think of the game for Caruana after 1 . ... c5 2 . Nf3 e6 3. c4 Nc6 4. d4 cxd4 5 . Nxd4 Bc5 6 . Nc2. </strong> He 's at the tip of Carlsen 's blade and ca n't afford a false step . </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-28T17:23:43.290Z " >5.23pm <span class= " timezone " **29;13867;TOOLONG ... **38;13898;TOOLONG off and running with Game 3. </strong> Carlsen opens with 1 . e4 and Caruana plays the Sicilian Defense for the first time , moving away from his beloved Petroff given the must-win situation . </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-28T17:11:22.540Z " >5.11pm <span class= " timezone " **29;13938;TOOLONG ... **36;13969;TOOLONG Caruana has resigned after 28 moves . </strong>Carlsen has taken a commanding 2-0 lead in the first tie-break stage . He needs only a draw with the white pieces in the third rapid game to retain the world title . </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-28T17:08:08.361Z " >5.08pm <span class= " timezone " **29;14007;TOOLONG ... **35;14038;TOOLONG they go : 24 . ... Bd8 25 . Nd5 e4 . And now another Caruana blunder ( 26. c7 ? ? ) . </strong>Oh dear . Oh dear ! It 's all come undone for the challenger and Carlsen turns the screw : 26 . ... Bxc7 27 . Nxc7 Ne5 28 . Nd5 Kh7 . White simply has too many things hanging . **25;14075;TOOLONG lang= " und " dir= " ltr " ><a href= " https : //t.co/t2s8AMSaRT " >pic.twitter ... class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-28T17:02:30.066Z " >5.02pm <span class= " timezone " **29;14102;TOOLONG ... **36;14133;TOOLONG and a half minutes pass before Caruana decides on 22. c6. </strong> A pawn trade ensues ( 22. ... bxc6 23. dxc6 ) , followed by 23 . ... Rfc8 24 . Qc4 . This is gut-check time for Caruana . A defeat here would all but seal the title for Carlsen. </p><p lang= " en " dir= " ltr " >Is that c6 pawn a strength or a weakness ? <a href= " https : **33;14171;TOOLONG ... <a href= " https : //t.co/gj0Xq3IjqG " >pic.twitter ... class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-28T16:48:23.643Z " >4.48pm <span class= " timezone " **29;14206;TOOLONG ... **40;14237;TOOLONG plays 21. c5 after two and a half minutes . **25;14279;TOOLONG . Too aggressive ? Carlsen castles on the kingside after a three-minute think ( 21 . ... O-O ) . Complicated but dynamically balanced position . Sesse <a href= " http : //analysis.sesse.net/ " >has it dead even</a> . Caruana 's been thinking for five minutes and counting . </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-28T16:39:11.034Z " >4.39pm <span class= " timezone " **29;14306;TOOLONG ... **38;14337;TOOLONG look at the board after 19 . Rc1 Bxe2 20 . Qxe2 Qf5. </strong> " I do not like Carlsen 's position here , " the grandmaster Susan Polgar <a href= " https : **33;14377;TOOLONG ... " Caruana is doing much better in game 2 . Just as Carlsen in game 1 , he has a much easier position to play while Black has many issues . " </p><p lang= " en " dir= " ltr " >Grischuk : " This looks much worse for black . " <br>Giri : " Looks ugly , no ? " <a href= " https : **33;14412;TOOLONG ... <a href= " https : //t.co/Sl1irKLwKm " >pic.twitter ... class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-28T16:36:10.533Z " >4.36pm <span class= " timezone " **29;14447;TOOLONG ... **40;14478;TOOLONG hits back and after the next sequence of moves ( 13 . Be3 a6 14 . Nc3 a5 15 . Qb3 a4 16 . Qd1 Be7 17. g3 Qc8 18 . Be2 Bg4 ) , it appears the American 's opening has been a success . </strong>In the eyes of the <a href= " http : //analysis.sesse.net/ " >evaluati ... engine</a> , at least . On we go . </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-28T16:27:43.583Z " >4.27pm <span class= " timezone " **29;14520;TOOLONG ... **37;14551;TOOLONG 2 is under way . </strong> Caruana playing as white . Another Open Sicilian ( 1 . e4 c5 2 . Nf3 Nc6 3. d4 ) , same as Game 12 . The parallel lines extend through Caruana 's 11th move : 3. ... cxd4 4 . Nxd4 Nf6 5 . Nc3 e5 6 . Ndb5 d6 7 . Nd5 Nxd5 8. exd5 Ne7 9. c4 Ng6 10 . Qa4 Bd7 11 . Qb4. <strong>And it 's Carlsen who 's first to deviate with 12 . ... Qb8. **30;14590;TOOLONG lang= " en " dir= " ltr " > ... Qb8 is psychological warfare . Spurning even the possibility of a repetition.Magnus just rediscovered his inner predator and is playing for a win . <a href= " https : **33;14622;TOOLONG ... class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-28T16:13:57.668Z " >4.13pm <span class= " timezone " **29;14657;TOOLONG ... **26;14688;TOOLONG grinds it out and Caruana resigns after 55 moves . After 13 games and more than 49 hours , we finally have a result in the world championship match and the Norwegian champion <a href= " https : **33;14716;TOOLONG ... it with a fist pump</a> . The final moves , for the record : 43 . Kf3 a3 44 . Ra6+ Kg7 45 . Kg2 Ra2+ 46 . Kh3 Ra1 47. h5 Kh7 48. g4 Kg7 49 . Kh4 a2 50 . Kg5 Kf7 51. h6 Rb1 52 . Ra7+ Kg8 53 . Rxa2 Rb5+ 54 . Kg6 Rb6+ 55 . Kh5. </p><p lang= " en " dir= " ltr " >50 . Kg5 Kf7 51. h6 Rb1 52 . Ra7+ Kg8 53 . Rxa2 Rb5+ 54 . Kg6 Rb6+ 55 . Kh5 1-0 This is why I keep on repeating the same message to young players ! Learn endgame , especially R and P endgames ! It matters ! It is important ! ? ? <a href= " https : //t.co/8H3igtlQUC " >pic.twitter ... class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-28T16:08:26.355Z " >4.08pm <span class= " timezone " **29;14751;TOOLONG ... **35;14782;TOOLONG they go , moving with pace due to the time crunch : 38 . Re7+ Kxf5 39 . Rxg7 Kf6 40 . Rg5 a5 41 . Rxh5 a4 42 . Ra5 Ra1. </strong> Here 's a look at the board . </p><p lang= " en " dir= " ltr " >34 ... Rc3 35 . Kg2 Rxa3 36 . Rxc4 Ke5 37 . Rc7 Kxe4 38 . Re7+ Kxf5 39 . Rxg7 Kf6 40 . Rg5 a5 41 . Rxh5 a4 42 . Ra5 Ra1 Ooops ! Caruana made some inaccuracies ! It will be about nerves now with so little time left ! I expect many more mistakes from both players ! ? ? <a href= " https : //t.co/ABHVv3PxbO " >pic.twitter ... class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-28T16:07:23.055Z " >4.07pm <span class= " timezone " **29;14819;TOOLONG ... </p><p>The players are under a minute apiece as they trade moves : 33 . Rc5 h5 34 . Kf1 Rc3 35 . Kg2 Rxa3 36 . Rxc4 Ke5 37 . Rc7 . Then Caruana , so incredibly precise in defense today , blunders ( 37 . ... Kxe4 ? ? ) . Oh no ! A lost position for American and surely Carlsen will convert from here ! </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-28T16:02:59.602Z " >4.02pm <span class= " timezone " **29;14850;TOOLONG ... **39;14881;TOOLONG the position after 29. ... c5 30 . Rd5 Rc2 31. h4 c4 32. f5+ Kf6. </strong> Both players facing serious time pressure . High drama at the College in Holborn ! **25;14922;TOOLONG class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-28T15:58:13.561Z " >3.58pm <span class= " timezone " **29;14949;TOOLONG ... **37;14980;TOOLONG endgame ! </strong> Oh boy . Another draw ? </p><p lang= " en " dir= " ltr " >28 . Rd1+ Ke6 29. f4 I really do not know if he lost his nerves , patience , ability to calculate , or if the soccer injury has some effect , but this is NOT the Carlsen of past World Championships ! Something is very strange ! He is missing a lot of things and playing too cautiously ! <a href= " https : //t.co/KGDF3zRUKK " >pic.twitter ... class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-28T15:51:22.092Z " >3.51pm <span class= " timezone " **29;15019;TOOLONG ... **44;15050;TOOLONG . ... Yes , Carlsen was working with a considerable time advantage . But he spent a epochal nine and a half minutes before playing 24 . Bxe6+ . Clearly he 's trying to make sure he converts this position . A flurry of moves follows ( 24 . ... Kf8 25 . Rxd4 Ke7 26 . Rxd7+ Rxd7 27 . Bxd7 Kxd7 ) and this is what we 're looking at . </p><p lang= " en " dir= " ltr " >Svidler : " I can very easily see the computer saying this is winning , but in human terms I do n't see it . " <br>Grischuk : " I have no idea if it 's winning . " <br>Giri : " It 's very hard to see this as winning when the king is cut off . " <a href= " https : **33;15096;TOOLONG ... <a href= " https : //t.co/hX0bIfrI3x " >pic.twitter ... lang= " en " dir= " ltr " >24 . Bxe6+ Kf8 25 . Rxd4 Ke7 26 . Rxd7+ Rxd7 27 . Bxd7 Kxd7 Carlsen just like in Classical chess , simply lost his ability or patience to calculate deeply . He chose the " safest " way but much more difficult to win . This is now still much better for Carlsen but far from winning . ? ? <a href= " https : //t.co/Avmz5DoCDU " >pic.twitter ... class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-28T15:47:30.597Z " >3.47pm <span class= " timezone " **29;15131;TOOLONG ... **36;15162;TOOLONG Norwegian supercomputer Sesse gives Carlsen a wide advantage after 22 . ... Nd4 23 . Bxd4 exd4. </strong> The margin spiked dramatically when Caruana played 19 . ... Nb5 ( instead of the correct Nb7 ) . </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-28T15:39:30.678Z " >3.39pm <span class= " timezone " **29;15200;TOOLONG ... **37;15231;TOOLONG pieces off the board after 20 . Nc5 Rxb2 21 . Nxe6 fxe6 22 . Bxc4. </strong> Here 's what we 're looking at ... and it looks like our first decisive result of this year 's world championship match is afoot . **25;15270;TOOLONG class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-28T15:34:22.882Z " >3.34pm <span class= " timezone " **29;15297;TOOLONG ... **36;15328;TOOLONG Caruana plays 19 . ... Nb5. </strong> Oh dear . This looks bad for black . **25;15366;TOOLONG class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-28T15:33:23.394Z " >3.33pm <span class= " timezone " **29;15393;TOOLONG ... **34;15424;TOOLONG critical moment in the first rapid game after 17 . ... Ne8 18 . Bf1 Nd6 19 . Rcd1. </strong> Caruana must play Nb7 here or he will be in serious trouble . He 's now below 12 minutes as he 's spent four minutes ( and counting ) weighing the decision . Carlsen sitting on 14min 49sec . Will the American find it ? </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-28T15:27:54.201Z " >3.27pm <span class= " timezone " **29;15460;TOOLONG ... **38;15491;TOOLONG is worse but Caruana is doing his best to mine counterplay opportunities after 14 . ... Nbd7 15. f3 Rab8 16 . Rac1 Rb3 17 . Rfe1. </strong>He 's also three minutes ahead on the clock . **25;15531;TOOLONG lang= " en " dir= " ltr " >Caruana is a pawn up , but Carlsen has compensation and if he regains the pawn on c4 he should be doing well . <a href= " https : **33;15558;TOOLONG ... <a href= " https : //t.co/tV6zSTWnPO " >pic.twitter ... lang= " en " dir= " ltr " >Dream scenario for Carlsen ; a riskfree , better endgame he can really work with . <a href= " https : **33;15593;TOOLONG ... class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-28T15:23:26.758Z " >3.23pm <span class= " timezone " **29;15628;TOOLONG ... **34;15659;TOOLONG few more moves : 12 . ... Be6 13 . Qxd8 Rxd8 14 . Be3. </strong> Says the grandmaster Anish Giri from the commentary booth : " It 's quite pretty what he Carlsen is doing . ... Black 's position is like a one-trick pony . Very dangerous . " **25;15695;TOOLONG class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-28T15:19:26.458Z " >3.19pm <span class= " timezone " **29;15722;TOOLONG ... **37;15753;TOOLONG back from inside the box where the match is taking place , with both players and dozens of photographers , who are allowed inside for the first three minutes of play . </strong>A couple of things of note : there are a <em>lot</em> of photographers here , and one was told off after trying to get in front of the arbiter 's chair to get the best shots . Second , contrary to reports earlier in the championship of it being cold in there it was more like a greenhouse . Finally , and more importantly , I swear I saw Carlsen smile when Caruana played 3 . Bb4 ... as if he had been expecting it . And of course he immediately flashed out 4. e4. </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-28T15:17:31.705Z " >3.17pm <span class= " timezone " **29;15792;TOOLONG ... **40;15823;TOOLONG has an early positional advantage . </strong> Here 's what we 're looking at after 9. a3 Bxc3 10 . Nxc3 bxc4 11. dxe5 dxe5 12 . Na4. </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-28T15:14:48.683Z " >3.14pm <span class= " timezone " **29;15865;TOOLONG ... **38;15896;TOOLONG 4 . ... O-O 5 . Nge2 c6 6 . Bg2 , Caruana is into the first real think . </strong>He expends three and and a half minutes before playing 6. ... a6 . On they go with 7 . O-O b5 8. d4 d6 . Carlsen 's unusual line was a shrewd way of avoiding Caruana 's well-drilled home prep . Carlsen 's jacket off already . **25;15936;TOOLONG class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-28T15:08:12.847Z " >3.08pm <span class= " timezone " **29;15963;TOOLONG ... **36;15994;TOOLONG first rapid game is under way and we have an English Opening ( 1 . c4 ) for the third time in 19 days . </strong> Yet very quickly it deviates from the two we 've seen thus far ( 1 . ... e5 2 . Nc3 Nf6 3. g3 Bb4 4. e4 ) . A reversed Rossolimo Sicilian is on the board . **25;16032;TOOLONG class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-28T15:03:23.639Z " >3.03pm <span class= " timezone " **29;16059;TOOLONG ... **36;16090;TOOLONG players have taken the board . </strong> The photographers are snapping their final shots before vacating the sound-proof studio at the College in Holborn where they 've spent more than 48 hours trading blows over the past 19 days . Only Carlsen and Caruana will be in the room with a pair of silent arbiters when the first rapid tie-breaker game starts in just a few minutes . Palpable tension . </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-28T14:47:03.658Z " >2.47pm <span class= " timezone " **29;16128;TOOLONG ... **35;16159;TOOLONG how will the title be decided ? </strong> Here 's a look at today 's tie-break format <a href= " https : **33;16196;TOOLONG ... Fide 's match regulations</a>. </p><p>< ... 7 Tie-breaks **44;16231;TOOLONG &; ... If the scores are level after the regular twelve ( 12 ) games , after a new drawing of colors , four ( 4 ) tie-break games shall be played . The games shall be played using the electronic clock starting with 25 minutes for each player with an increment of 10 seconds after each move </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-28T14:41:54.636Z " >2.41pm <span class= " timezone " **29;16277;TOOLONG ... **37;16308;TOOLONG not every day our sport makes the editorial page . </strong>Here 's the Guardian 's view on the world title match from today 's paper . </p><p>This paper has the <a href= " https : **33;16347;TOOLONG ... running</a> daily chess column in the world . We persevered in no small part because of our brilliant columnist , where others have <a href= " https : **33;16382;TOOLONG ... What is undeniable is that chess is now established as an online spectacle . Websites <a href= " https : **33;16417;TOOLONG ... the match garner large and enthusiastic audiences ; long games allow time for comment and speculation ; online followers can see potentially more than the players themselves , who are locked in their glass booth and unable to look up moves ; and on social media grandmasters offer <a href= " https : **33;16452;TOOLONG ... takes</a> . Web chess , it transpires , is Test Match Special for people who find cricket too fast-paced , proving Dutch grandmaster Hans Ree 's <a href= " https : **26;16487;TOOLONG ? id=ui9 ... it is a game beautiful enough to waste your life for . </p><p>Chess had been in the doldrums in recent years , in part because it lacked the cold war intrigue . The game began in China and India , and its renaissance is down in part to chess 's <a href= " https : **33;16515;TOOLONG ... among Asian <a href= " https : **33;16550;TOOLONG ... Pessimists fear computers may one day " <a href= " https : **32;16585;TOOLONG ... chess , demonstrating an infallible sequence of moves that guarantee victory from the start of the game . But that solution is still many years away . The human struggle looks certain , for now , to keep millions hooked to see if Caruana can upset the odds and defeat Carlsen , the <a href= " https : **33;16619;TOOLONG ... unmatched in rapidplay and blitz . Whoever triumphs , the winner will be the game itself , which reaped the fruits of an online revolution . </p><p> <span>Related : </span><a href= " https : **33;16654;TOOLONG ... Guardian view on the World Chess Championship : not just a popularity contest Editorial</a> </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-28T14:19:44.185Z " >2.19pm <span class= " timezone " **29;16689;TOOLONG ... **38;16720;TOOLONG and welcome to London for the final day of the world championship match between Norway 's Magnus Carlsen and Fabiano Caruana of the United States . </strong> Twelve classical games were not enough to decide this evenly matched showdown between a champion and challenger separated respectively by one year in age ( 27 v 26 ) , one spot in the rankings ( No 1 v No 2 , for the first time in a title match <a href= " http : **34;16760;TOOLONG ... 1990</a> ) and a scant three points in <a href= " https : **28;16796;TOOLONG ? list ... Elo ratings</a> ( 2835 v 2832 , the smallest ever margin between contenders ) . **33;16826;TOOLONG ... **45;16861;TOOLONG ... class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-28T12:58:28.481Z " >12.58p ... <span class= " timezone " **29;16908;TOOLONG ... **38;16939;TOOLONG will be here shortly . </strong>In the meantime <a href= " https : **33;16979;TOOLONG ... his look ahead</a> to today 's finale . </p><p> <span>Related : </span><a href= " https : **33;17014;TOOLONG ... to Armageddon : Carlsen and Caruana set for final showdown</a> **25;17049;TOOLONG games . Forty-eight hours . More than 630 moves . <a href= " https : **33;17076;TOOLONG ... apparent intelligence leak</a>. <a href= " https : **33;17111;TOOLONG ... definite black eye</a> . There 's been nothing to separate Norway 's Magnus Carlsen and Fabiano Caruana of the United States in their world championship staredown over the last three weeks in London . Every one of their 12 classical games ended in a draw , making it the first title match in which no decisive results were managed in the competition 's official 132-year history . </p><p>But the historic deadlock will be resolved on Wednesday in a sound-proof studio at the College in London when the world 's top two players compete in a series of quickfire tie-breakers to determine an outright winner in the ? 1m ( ? 880,000 ) match . </p> <a href= " https : **33;17146;TOOLONG ... reading ... </a>World Chess Championship 2018ChessFabiano CaruanaUS sportsMagnus CarlsenSportWed , 28 Nov 2018 18:36:31 GMThttp : **37;17181;TOOLONG ... Frank Augstein/APPhotograph : Frank Augstein/APBryan Armen **29;17220;TOOLONG Guardian view on the World Chess Championship : not just a popularity contest Editorialhttps : **30;17251;TOOLONG ... The game has regained its popularity thanks to the rise of Asian giants and the world wide web<p>The World Chess Championship match between the title-holder , Norwegian Magnus Carlsen , and his American challenger , Fabiano Caruana will finally be decided tomorrow , after a three-week <a href= " https : **33;17283;TOOLONG ... title= " " >struggle</a> in which all 12 games of long-form chess they have played has been drawn . They now embark on a series of " rapidplay " games -- lasting about an hour , roughly a sixth of the time it normally takes . If they are still locked together after four such contests , the two grandmasters play a series of up to five mini-matches of roughly 10-minute blitz games to try and determine the winner . Then , if the scores are still level they play a single so-called Armageddon game , in which if the player with the black pieces can manage to draw the game -- white goes first and has a time advantage so this is easier said than done -- he wins the title . <a href= " https : **33;17318;TOOLONG ... title= " " >Armageddon</a> would be a first for the world championship and an extraordinary way to decide it . </p><p>The match has divided chess aficionados . Grandmaster chess at this level is so rarefied -- the pair are the top players in the world -- that they can cancel each other out . Some observers have found that a little dull , pining for the heroic days of chess when players still made errors , theory was n't quite so exhaustive and computer analysis had n't superseded the human brain in determining what grandmasters like to refer to as the " truth " of a position . But others have gloried in the high standard of the play , the brilliance of the defensive resources employed by both players and the fact that at least half of the 12 classical games were spiritedly fought and could , with lesser defenders , have produced a decisive result . </p> <a href= " https : **33;17353;TOOLONG ... reading ... </a>World Chess Championship 2018US sportsChessMagnus CarlsenFabiano CaruanaSportChinaAsia PacificWorld newsIndiaSouth and Central AsiaTue , 27 Nov 2018 18:43:28 GMThttp : **37;17388;TOOLONG ... Facundo **26;17427;TOOLONG : Facundo **45;17455;TOOLONG ... Carlsen surprises Fabiano Caruana with draw offer in Game 12 -- as it happenedhttps : **31;17502;TOOLONG ... **25;17535;TOOLONG href= " https : **33;17562;TOOLONG ... offers draw in Game 12 after 31 moves and three **45;17597;TOOLONG ... contest deadlocked at 6-all after 12 **31;17644;TOOLONG championship to be settled Wednesday in **38;17677;TOOLONG class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-26T19:35:06.713Z " >7.35pm <span class= " timezone " **29;17717;TOOLONG ... **39;17748;TOOLONG Bryan 's <a href= " https : **33;17789;TOOLONG ... off today 's game</a> , which you can replay below . </strong>Be sure to join us on Wednesday for minute-by-minute coverage of the tie-breaker . </p><p> <span>Related : </span><a href= " https : **33;17824;TOOLONG ... Carlsen and Fabiano Caruana head to tie-breaker after Game 12 draw</a> </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-26T19:32:42.478Z " >7.32pm <span class= " timezone " **29;17859;TOOLONG ... **38;17890;TOOLONG Kasparov has spoken . </strong>The longtime world No 1 believes Carlsen 's decision to offer a draw may undercut his status as favorite in Wednesday 's tie-breaker . </p><p lang= " en " dir= " ltr " >In light of this shocking draw offer from Magnus in a superior position with more time , I reconsider my evaluation of him being the favorite in rapids . Tiebreaks require tremendous nerves and he seems to be losing his . </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-26T19:20:52.646Z " >7.20pm <span class= " timezone " **29;17930;TOOLONG ... **33;17961;TOOLONG " I was n't necessarily going for the maximum , " says Carlsen , essentially admitting that he was content with a draw after move 20. </strong> " I just wanted a position that was completely safe , ( but ) where I could put some pressure . If a draw had n't been a satisfactory result , obviously I would have approached it differently . " </p><p>Says Caruana : " I was a bit surprised by the draw offer . I can never be better ( than move 31 ) . And I do n't really have any active ideas . If anything , black is better . At least I thought I was over the worst of it . I thought it was much more dangerous a few moves ago . " </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-26T18:34:19.951Z " >6.34pm <span class= " timezone " **29;17996;TOOLONG ... **40;18027;TOOLONG will play with the white pieces in the first game of Wednesday 's rapid play-off after the drawing of lots is conducted . </strong> Here 's a look at the format : </p><p> * Best of four rapid games with 25 minutes for each player with an increment of 10 seconds after each move . </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-26T18:14:32.923Z " >6.14pm <span class= " timezone " **29;18069;TOOLONG ... **40;18100;TOOLONG offers a draw after 30. ... g6 31 . Rd1 Ra8 and Caruana accepts . </strong> Wow ! An absolute shocker given Carlsen 's position and advantage on time ! It 's a peaceful result after 31 moves and three hours and the world championship will be settled Wednesday in a tie-breaker . </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-26T17:48:56.185Z " >5.48pm <span class= " timezone " **29;18142;TOOLONG ... **40;18173;TOOLONG plays 30 . Qb4 and he 's working with 15min 42sec after the increment . </strong>He 'll need to make his next 10 moves in that span to reach move 40 , after which the players are given an additional 50 minutes . But it wo n't be a walk in the park as he weathers a Carlsen attack where one false step could torpedo the whole enterprise . **25;18215;TOOLONG class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-26T17:40:58.725Z " >5.40pm <span class= " timezone " **29;18242;TOOLONG ... **40;18273;TOOLONG plays 29 . Re1 in an apparent move to improve the position of the knight on f2. </strong>As we wait for Carlsen 's reponse , reader Abhijato Sensarma checks in via email with his take on Caruana 's 25. f4 : </p><p>Well , I for one am never going to trust the supercomputer about a position 's advantage until it becomes very significant . The move is a reasonable one once you understand the purpose behind it , if not the technically perfect one , which might turn out to be the decisive reason why today 's finale is not a draw ! I am secretly rooting for Caruana so that the next Championship can have personal undertones since Carlsen will undoubtedly be the Challenger then . Whatever happens , happens today . If Carslen wins ( he does have an advantage , and known for creating something out of nothing ) , Caruana wo n't mind since he would have lost in the tie break in all likeliness . He can come back stronger . This match might be the thriller which will inject urgency into the stagnant chess world once more ! </p><p>If it is over today , I will have to relay a funny experience I had the other day . I looked at the my fellow classmates during a friendly football match . We were level at five all . " It looks drawish ! " I said and my other chess-knowing friend started laughing , and the others were left dumbfounded . With any luck , maybe we 'll get the sixth goal in today ! </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-26T17:35:16.644Z " >5.35pm <span class= " timezone " **29;18315;TOOLONG ... **40;18346;TOOLONG attacks white 's queen with 25. ... a5 and Caruana retreats ( 26 . Qd2 ) . </strong> Black still better after 26. ... e4 27 . Be2 Be8 28 . Kb1 Bf6 . As time pressure mounts on Caruana , the position could be difficult to hold . </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-26T17:20:28.740Z " >5.20pm <span class= " timezone " **29;18388;TOOLONG ... **42;18419;TOOLONG 25. f4 may have been a mistake . </strong> The supercomputer thinks so , anyway . Black 's advantage has spiked dramatically . Hungarian-born grandmaster D ? nes Boros is <a href= " https : **33;18463;TOOLONG ... less harsh</a> : " It was a decent move , as it gives fighting chances with the idea of blocking the g6 bishop . " </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-26T17:16:59.763Z " >5.16pm <span class= " timezone " **29;18498;TOOLONG ... **40;18529;TOOLONG has twice as much time as Caruana after 24 moves . </strong> He will need to make 16 moves in the next half hour before the time control . </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-26T17:13:02.917Z " >5.13pm <span class= " timezone " **29;18571;TOOLONG ... **39;18602;TOOLONG Carlsen has the initiative after 22 . ... Bg6 23 . Rc2 f5. </strong>Dynamic game , this . Everything that observers underwhelmed by the record streak of draws could have hoped for . </p><p lang= " en " dir= " ltr " >22 ... Bg6 . Carlsen 's idea is clear with f5 . For example if 23 . Rc2 f5 24 . Ng5 Bxg5 25. hxg5 e4 . Black is on the attack while Caruana has to be extremely careful as one slight inaccuracy can cost him the game . <a href= " https : //t.co/ngCAf1TXUJ " >pic.twitter ... class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-26T17:02:09.562Z " >5.02pm <span class= " timezone " **29;18643;TOOLONG ... **40;18674;TOOLONG responds with 21 . ... Rac8 after a little more than 10 minutes . </strong>Black is ahead in development with more than a half-hour advantage in time . Caruana finds himself up against it here with no obvious plan . And after eight minutes the American castles on the queenside ( 22 . O-O-O ) . The tension , the complications , the tactical potential ... it 's all coming to a head . " This is exciting , " Aronian says of Caruana 's choice . " This is something I did n't expect at all . " </p><p lang= " en " dir= " ltr " >Considering that Caruana has exhibited generally superior skills in all facets of the match ( opening prep , middle game transition , endgames ) it would seem a bit odd if he loses this match . <a href= " https : **33;18716;TOOLONG ... class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-26T16:47:40.719Z " >4.47pm <span class= " timezone " **29;18751;TOOLONG ... **40;18782;TOOLONG castles after a 12-minute think ( 20 . ... O-O ) and Caruana counters with a surprise move ( 21 . Rh2 ! ? ) . </strong> " An amazing move by Fabiano , " Russian chess grandmaster Alexander Grischuk says . " The deepest move in the match so far ! " The Norwegian supercomputer Sesse , running Stockfish , is less bullish , indicating Caruana 's steadily held advantage is lost and black is better . </p><p lang= " en " dir= " ltr " >'Incredibly creative but quite dumb ' is Simen Agdestein 's reaction to 21 . Rh2 on the VG broadcast . The move is surely a declaration of violence . This is now looking like the most likely decisive brawl of the match ... Is the pressure cooker about to go off ? <a href= " https : **33;18824;TOOLONG ... class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-26T16:39:18.076Z " >4.39pm <span class= " timezone " **29;18859;TOOLONG ... **33;18890;TOOLONG " The position does n't look anything like a draw , which makes me very , very happy , " says world No 11 Levon Aronian. </strong>Carlsen has been on the clock for about 10 minutes , but he remains comfortably ahead on time . </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-26T16:31:08.786Z " >4.31pm <span class= " timezone " **29;18925;TOOLONG ... **40;18956;TOOLONG continues to enjoy a widening time advantage after 19 . Ne4 Nd7 20 . Bd3. </strong> Carlsen spends about six minutes weighing his 20th move before removing his jacket . He 's still on the clock . Says grandmaster Anish Giri : " White 's position is rather soft for the last game of a world championship , do n't you think ? " Garry Kasparov says he believes the current position will yield a decisive result . </p><p lang= " en " dir= " ltr " >Based on the current position , <a href= " https : //twitter.com/Kasparov63 ? refsrc= ... @Kasparov63</a> thinks it 's more likely the World <br>Championship will be decided today . <a href= " https : **33;18998;TOOLONG ... <a href= " https : **33;19033;TOOLONG ... href= " https : //t.co/O5nTGAmgjN " >https : //t.c ... <a href= " https : //t.co/UbcEwXjy3f " >pic.twitter ... class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-26T16:16:40.545Z " >4.16pm <span class= " timezone " **29;19068;TOOLONG ... **40;19099;TOOLONG expends another five minutes before playing 18. f3. </strong> Says grandmaster grandmaster Judit Polgar in the commentary booth : " It 's very strange because we have special , unique things happening when Fabiano is pushing his pawns . " Carlsen takes just over a minute before answering with 18 . ... Nf8. </p><p lang= " en " dir= " ltr " >Caruana play 18. f3 as I suggested earlier . But Carlsen immediately responded with 18 ... Nf8 . I am sure this is very confusing for Caruana . Carlsen is cranking out moves at lightning speed . The idea of Nf8 is to go to d7 to help solidify the c5 square . <a href= " https : //t.co/dDmEzgAFdp " >pic.twitter ... class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-26T16:11:40.331Z " >4.11pm <span class= " timezone " **29;19141;TOOLONG ... **38;19172;TOOLONG 25 minutes Caruana finally plays 17. g3. </strong> Carlsen immediately responds with 17 . ... Be7. </p><p lang= " en " dir= " ltr " >17. g3 and Carlsen immediately responded w/ 17 ... Be7 . This is a very uncomfortable situation for Caruana . Objectively speaking his position is fine . But Carlsen is playing so fast . This can psychologically effect Caruana because he does not know if this is still in Carlsen 's prep <a href= " https : //t.co/RAZ3LH0gWB " >pic.twitter ... class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-26T16:05:08.459Z " >4.05pm <span class= " timezone " **29;19212;TOOLONG ... **40;19243;TOOLONG has been thinking for more than 20 minutes after Carlsen played 16 . Qc7. </strong> The American is nearly 40 minutes behind on time . </p><p lang= " en " dir= " ltr " >Caruana more than 30 minutes behind on the clock after 16 moves , and still thinking . It 's still early , but the time usage is worth to pay attention to . <a href= " https : **33;19285;TOOLONG ... <a href= " https : //t.co/b1VqnJFGXL " >pic.twitter ... class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-26T15:40:29.703Z " >3.40pm <span class= " timezone " **29;19320;TOOLONG ... **38;19351;TOOLONG eight minutes Caruana plays 15 . Be3. </strong> Phew . No draw by repetition . Fabiano declares he 's here to play . Carlsen comes back with 15. ... a6 and Caruana answers with 16 . Nc3 . The American is 20 minutes behind on the clock already . **25;19391;TOOLONG class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-26T15:25:37.266Z " >3.25pm <span class= " timezone " **29;19418;TOOLONG ... **38;19449;TOOLONG a draw by repetition be forthcoming ? </strong> It 's a possibility after 13 . Qa4 Bd7 14 . Qb4 Bf5. </p><p lang= " en " dir= " ltr " >After 14 moves Fabiano is shook . He 's repeating moves and now deep into the tank . <a href= " https : **33;19489;TOOLONG ... lang= " en " dir= " ltr " >Please do n't repeat . <br>Please do n't repeat . <br>Please do n't repeat . <a href= " https : **33;19524;TOOLONG ... <a href= " https : //t.co/z9eSGPG7uc " >pic.twitter ... class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-26T15:21:50.905Z " >3.21pm <span class= " timezone " **29;19559;TOOLONG ... **40;19590;TOOLONG settles in for the first long think of the day after 9. c4 Ng6 10 . Qa4 Bd7 11 . Qb4 Bf5 12. h4 h5. </strong> He 's been weighing his response for six minutes ( and counting ) . In fact Carlsen 's 12. ... h5 is a novelty , <a href= " https : **33;19632;TOOLONG ... humans anyway</a>. </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-26T15:10:06.868Z " >3.10pm <span class= " timezone " **29;19667;TOOLONG ... **37;19698;TOOLONG continue with 6 . Ndb5 d6 7 . Nd5 Nxd5 8. exd5. </strong> Carlsen is first to deviate from the Game 8 and Game 10 lines with 8 . ... Ne7. </p><p lang= " en " dir= " ltr " >8 ... Ne7 is considered dubious since Yudasin-Kramnik in 1994 . Obviously Carlsen has some ideas . <a href= " https : **33;19737;TOOLONG ... <a href= " https : **33;19772;TOOLONG ... class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-26T15:07:27.782Z " >3.07pm <span class= " timezone " **29;19807;TOOLONG ... **36;19838;TOOLONG we 're off with 1 . e4 c5 2 . Nf3 Nc6 3. d4 cxd4 4 . Nxd4. </strong> And with 4 . ... Nf6 5 . Nc3 e5 , we 're into the Sveshnikov variation , same as the eighth game ! </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-26T14:09:50.559Z " >2.09pm <span class= " timezone " **29;19876;TOOLONG ... **38;19907;TOOLONG and welcome to London for today 's 12th game of the world chess championship between Magnus Carlsen and Fabiano Caruana. </strong> Play resumes today at the College in Holborn after with the best-of-12-games match deadlocked at 5 ? -all following 11 draws in as many contests . Sixteen days and no blood drawn : the longest streak of games to open a match without a decisive result in the recognized 132-year history of world championship play . But the tension will never be higher than today , where a decisive result would lift the winner over the 6 ? -point threshold and determine an outright winner in the ? 1m ( $1.14m ) showdown . **36;19947;TOOLONG **45;19985;TOOLONG ... class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-26T13:12:20.697Z " >1.12pm <span class= " timezone " **29;20032;TOOLONG ... **38;20063;TOOLONG will be here shortly . </strong>In the meantime <a href= " https : **33;20103;TOOLONG ... his report</a> from Saturday 's Game 11. **26;20138;TOOLONG , as white , played into Caruana 's Petroff with an opening line that paralleled their <a href= " http : **34;20166;TOOLONG ... meeting at the Sinquefield Cup</a> , which ended in a draw . The American challenger and world No 2 was first to deviate , castling on the kingside ( 7 . O-O ) instead of the Nc6 he 'd played in St Louis . </p><p>A briefly promising double-edge position took shape with ( 8 . Qd2 Nd7 9 . O-O-O Nf6 10 . Bd3 c5 ) , but Carlsen expended 23 minutes on his next two moves ( 11 . Rhe1 Be6 12 . Kb1 Qa5 ) and admitted he 'd been thrown for a curve once more by Caruana 's exhaustively researched opening preparation and not for the first time during the fortnight . Eventually the champion offered up a queen exchange with 13. c4 and the ladies were off the board ( 13 . ... Qxd2 14 . Bxd2 ) , abruptly stripping the tension from the affair . </p><p> <span>Related : </span><a href= " https : **33;20202;TOOLONG ... Carlsen plays it safe in fizzling Game 11 draw with Fabiano Caruana</a> </p> <a href= " https : **33;20237;TOOLONG ... reading ... </a>World Chess Championship 2018Fabiano CaruanaMagnus CarlsenChessSportUS sportsMon , 26 Nov 2018 19:35:06 GMThttp : **37;20272;TOOLONG ... Mark **33;20311;TOOLONG : Mark **28;20346;TOOLONG Armen **32;20376;TOOLONG Carlsen and Fabiano Caruana head to tie-breaker after Game 12 drawhttps : **35;20410;TOOLONG ... **25;20447;TOOLONG href= " https : **33;20474;TOOLONG ... goes to tie-breaker after Game 12 draw -- as it **45;20509;TOOLONG ... championship match ends in 6-all **36;20556;TOOLONG to play as white to open tie-break after drawing of **38;20594;TOOLONG world championship battle between Magnus Carlsen and Fabiano Caruana will be decided in a quickfire tie-breaker after Monday 's Game 12 <a href= " https : **33;20634;TOOLONG ... in a 31-move draw</a> . The result shocked onlookers in light of the champion 's advantages in position and time , and left the best-of-12-games match in a historic 6-6 deadlock . </p><p> <span>Related : </span><a href= " https : **33;20669;TOOLONG ... Carlsen and Fabiano Caruana draw in Game 12 -- live ! </a> **36;20704;TOOLONG **45;20742;TOOLONG ... <a href= " https : **33;20789;TOOLONG ... reading ... </a>World Chess Championship 2018ChessFabiano CaruanaMagnus CarlsenSportUS sportsMon , 26 Nov 2018 19:16:04 GMThttp : **37;20824;TOOLONG ... Matt Dunham/APPhotograph : Matt Dunham/APBryan Armen **32;20863;TOOLONG Carlsen and Fabiano Caruana play to quiet Game 11 draw -- as it happenedhttps : **31;20897;TOOLONG ... **25;20930;TOOLONG href= " https : **33;20957;TOOLONG ... and Caruana play to quiet 55-move draw in Game **45;20992;TOOLONG ... contest deadlocked at 5 ? -all after 11 **31;21039;TOOLONG href= " https : **33;21072;TOOLONG ... admits nerves after Game 10</a> ( <a href= " https : **33;21107;TOOLONG ... report</a> ) **27;21142;TOOLONG class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-24T18:16:03.393Z " >6.16pm <span class= " timezone " **29;21171;TOOLONG ... **39;21202;TOOLONG Bryan 's report off today 's game , which you can replay below . </strong>Adds Carlsen during the post-game press conference : " I was n't pleased from the opening and then after that I just wanted to play it safe . I was trying to push a little bit , but it was nothing real . In this match situation I thought there was no reason to go crazy . " </p><p> <span>Related : </span><a href= " https : **33;21243;TOOLONG ... Carlsen plays it safe in fizzling Game 11 draw with Fabiano Caruana</a> </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-24T18:01:58.534Z " >6.01pm <span class= " timezone " **29;21278;TOOLONG ... **33;21309;TOOLONG " There 's a lot riding on the last game , " says Caruana when asked about Monday 's Game 12 , where he will play with white . </strong> " It will be very tense for both of us . I 'm not going to go crazy or anything , of course , but I will try to put pressure on him . " </p><p>The players will have an extra rest day between now and then , which the American says he 's grateful for . </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-24T17:46:11.380Z " >5.46pm <span class= " timezone " **29;21344;TOOLONG ... **33;21375;TOOLONG " I 'm not thrilled , obviously , " Carlsen says . </strong> " I got surprised in the opening and just decided to shut it down . It was n't great but it 's no disaster . Now I 've just got to play well in one more classical and see what happens . " </p><p>He 's asked what he expects from Monday 's Game 12 : " We 'll see what happens . A lot depends on what ( Caruana ) wants to do . If he wants to shut it down then that 's fine by me , we 'll play rapid . Otherwise we 'll have a fight . " </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-24T17:36:35.052Z " >5.36pm <span class= " timezone " **29;21410;TOOLONG ... **36;21441;TOOLONG last move for both players ( 55 . Bf2 Bc2 ) and it 's official : Game 11 is a draw after two hours and 13 minutes . </strong>The shortest contest of the fortnight leaves the best-of-12-games world championship match deadlocked at 5 ? -all after 11 indecisive results . **26;21479;TOOLONG will have the white pieces in Monday 's Game 12 . Says the American : " There 's a lot riding on the last game . It will be tense for both of us. " **25;21507;TOOLONG class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-24T17:31:33.714Z " >5.31pm <span class= " timezone " **29;21534;TOOLONG ... **34;21565;TOOLONG few more moves , happening more quickly now : 47 . ... Ba2 48 . Kg5 Bb3 49 . Kf6 Ba2 50. h4 Bb3 51. f4 Ba2 52 . Ke7 Bb3 53 . Kf6 Ba2 54. f5 Bb1. </strong> A handshake should come soon . </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-24T17:28:01.604Z " >5.28pm <span class= " timezone " **29;21601;TOOLONG ... **35;21632;TOOLONG they go : 36 . ... Bg4 37. c4 Be6 38 . Kd4 bxc4 39. bxc4 Bg4 40. c5 Be6 41 . Bh6 Bd5 42 . Be3 Be6 43 . Ke5 Bd5 44 . Kf4 Be6 45 . Kg5 Bd5 46. g4 hxg4 47 . Kxg4. </strong> The action is petering out toward a draw . " I 'll take a short break because nothing is happening and nothing is going to happen , " Russian grandmaster Alexander Grischuk says . </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-24T17:13:41.467Z " >5.13pm <span class= " timezone " **29;21669;TOOLONG ... **35;21700;TOOLONG real progress after the last few moves : 32 . Kd4 g6 33. g3 Be2 34 . Bf8 Kc6 35. b3 Bd1 36 . Kd3. </strong> Carlsen is still up a pawn and trying to convert it , but Caruana is holding strong . Here 's what we 're looking at . </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-24T16:57:51.027Z " >4.57pm <span class= " timezone " **29;21737;TOOLONG ... **40;21768;TOOLONG rush of moves sees Caruana surrender a pawn : 27. a3 Kf8 28 . Bc7 b5 29 . Bd6+ Ke8 30 . Bxc5 h5 31 . Ke3 Kd7. </strong>The Sesse evaluation engine , running Stockfish , <a href= " http : //analysis.sesse.net/ " >gives Carlsen a slight advantage</a> , though Caruana should be able to hold for a draw . Says Judit Polgar in the commentary booth : " When we talk about the fact that it 's a dead draw , it 's a dead draw if you know how to do it . So you still have to be careful if you 're not familiar with these kind of theoretical positions in principle . " </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-24T16:45:10.709Z " >4.45pm <span class= " timezone " **29;21810;TOOLONG ... **40;21841;TOOLONG rook exchange as Game 11 trudges toward a peaceful result : 25 . ... Rxd2 26 . Kxd2 a6 27. a3. </strong> Caruana has spent 12 minutes ( and counting ) pondering his response . While all signs point toward a draw , white is slightly better due to black 's exposed pawns on the queenside ; indeed , the <a href= " http : //analysis.sesse.net/ " >Norwegia ... supercomputer Sesse indicates</a> a number of endings where white has an extra pawn . So Caruana , with more than an hour to make 14 moves before the time control , is correct to take his time and make sure he gets it right . </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-24T16:32:22.619Z " >4.32pm <span class= " timezone " **29;21883;TOOLONG ... **40;21914;TOOLONG rush of moves including a rook exchange : 21 . Rxd6 Rxd6 22 . Bxd6 Rd8 23 . Rd2 Bxc4 24 . Kc1 b6 25 . Bf4. </strong> We 're heading toward an opposite-colored bishop endgame . Only an hour and a half into the match and the end appears near . </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-24T16:23:32.530Z " >4.23pm <span class= " timezone " **29;21956;TOOLONG ... **36;21987;TOOLONG position simplifies after a quick flurry of moves : 15 . ... Rfe8 16 . Ng6 Ng4 17 . Nxe7+ Rxe7 18 . Re2 Ne5 19 . Bf4 Nxd3 20 . Rxd3 Rd7. </strong> " Another miserable preparation by Magnus with white , " Russian grandmaster Alexander Grischuk says . </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-24T16:04:16.629Z " >4.04pm <span class= " timezone " **29;22025;TOOLONG ... **40;22056;TOOLONG plays 15 . Nh4. </strong> He 's more than a half hour behind on time right now . </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-24T15:51:19.854Z " >3.51pm <span class= " timezone " **29;22098;TOOLONG ... **40;22129;TOOLONG plays 14. ... h6 , which prevents Ng6 and stunts the position even further . </strong>Carlsen has spent more than 10 minutes considering his response and Caruana has stepped away from the board . Disappointing how fast this line fizzled out . Barring any inaccuracies a draw should be forthcoming . </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-24T15:41:06.247Z " >3.41pm <span class= " timezone " **29;22171;TOOLONG ... **40;22202;TOOLONG offers up a queen exchange with 13. c4 and the ladies are off the board ( 13 . ... Qxd2 14 . Bxd2 ) ! </strong>Oh boy . " It 's clear without queens black is fine , " says Sergey Karjakin , who <a href= " https : **33;22244;TOOLONG ... Carlsen to the limit in the world title match two years ago</a> , from the commentary booth . " I think it 's going to be a draw . At the same time it 's not like Magnus was playing for the draw , but it just happened because he did not expect Fabiano would play this line . " **25;22279;TOOLONG lang= " en " dir= " ltr " >13. c4 Qxd2 14 . Bxd2 Carlsen can not help himself . He wants to head to endgame immediately . No risk grinding ! It seems that both sides are satisfied with what they have <a href= " https : //t.co/WPqZ14qIUc " >pic.twitter ... class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-24T15:31:56.765Z " >3.31pm <span class= " timezone " **29;22306;TOOLONG ... **40;22337;TOOLONG plays 12 . Kb1 after 12 minutes and Caruana quickly responds with 12 . ... Qa5. </strong> The champion has spent 23 minutes on his last two moves . He 's about 25 minutes down on time already . </p><p lang= " en " dir= " ltr " >Magnus Carlsen after 10 ... c5 . What exactly convinced him not to go for a sharper line such as 12 . Bg5 ? He spent almost 11 minutes on 11 . Rhe1 and 12 minutes and a half on 12 . Kb1. <a href= " https : //t.co/gFVWZKedCr " >pic.twitter ... class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-24T15:27:23.298Z " >3.27pm <span class= " timezone " **29;22379;TOOLONG ... **34;22410;TOOLONG few more moves : 8 . Qd2 Nd7 9 . O-O-O Nf6 10 . Bd3 c5 11 . Rhe1 Be6. </strong> A promising double-edged position takes shape . Caruana moving with incredible pace , clearly still in his preparation , with nearly four more minutes than what he started with . Here 's what we 're looking at . </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-24T15:13:05.028Z " >3.13pm <span class= " timezone " **29;22446;TOOLONG ... **36;22477;TOOLONG parallel lines extend for Carlsen 's first seven moves ( 3 . Nxe5 d6 4 . Nf3 Nxe4 5 . Nc3 Nxc3 6. dxc3 Be7 7 . Be3 ) . </strong>Caruana is first to deviate from their Sinquefield Cup game , playing 7 . O-O instead of Nc6. </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-24T15:08:00.063Z " >3.08pm <span class= " timezone " **29;22515;TOOLONG ... **35;22546;TOOLONG have 1 . e4 e5 2 . Nf3 Nf6 and another Petroff ! </strong> They 're blitzing out the opening and so far it 's identical to their <a href= " http : **34;22583;TOOLONG ... meeting at the Sinquefield Cup</a> . It was former world title challenger Sergey Karjakin who made the ceremonial first move with b4 , which Carlsen left on the board for a tantalizingly long time before going with e4. </p><p lang= " en " dir= " ltr " > " A small suggestion for you , Magnus " ... 1. b4 ! <a href= " https : **33;22619;TOOLONG ... <a href= " https : **27;22654;TOOLONG ? refs ... @theworldchess</a> <a href= " https : //t.co/FuL8VjTDc9 " >pic.twitter ... class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-24T14:49:14.172Z " >2.49pm <span class= " timezone " **29;22683;TOOLONG ... **38;22714;TOOLONG written heaps about today 's Game 11 , Monday 's Game 12 and the prospect of a tie-breaker . </strong> But what comes next ? Our Leonard Barden looks past the world title match in <a href= " https : **33;22754;TOOLONG ... latest column</a>. </p><p>When the match does finally end , the winner will receive the plaudits , the traditional laurel wreath from the new Fide president Arkady Dvorkovich , prize money of ? 600,000 or ? 550,000 ( depending on whether it goes to tie-breaks ) , and a guaranteed minimum two-year reign until the next challenger arrives in 2020 . But what about the loser ? </p><p>For Caruana , it will not be so bad . Having got extremely close and proving himself Carlsen 's equal at match play , he has every incentive to aim for another title shot in 2020 when he will be only 28 years old . His 2832 rating is virtually equal to Carlsen 's 2835 , he can realistically plan to capture the No 1 global rating soon . Carlsen has been top dog in the ratings for seven years and has said that he values No 1 almost as much as the official crown . </p><p> <span>Related : </span><a href= " https : **33;22789;TOOLONG ... approaches for Carlsen and Caruana after 10 draws out of 10</a> </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-24T14:18:48.034Z " >2.18pm <span class= " timezone " **29;22824;TOOLONG ... **38;22855;TOOLONG and welcome to today 's 11th game of the world chess championship between Norway 's Magnus Carlsen and Fabiano Caruana of the United States . </strong> Play resumes today after with the best-of-12-games match deadlocked at 5-all following 10 draws in as many games , no closer to a verdict than when we started . We have , however , borne witness to a bit of history : the longest streak of games to open a match without a decisive result in the recognized 132-year history of world championship matches . **36;22895;TOOLONG **45;22933;TOOLONG ... class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-23T16:24:53.063Z " >4.24pm <span class= " timezone " **29;22980;TOOLONG ... **38;23011;TOOLONG will be here shortly . </strong>In the meantime <a href= " https : **33;23051;TOOLONG ... his report</a> from Thursday 's Game 10. </p><p>The 27-year-old champion from Norway , playing with the black pieces , weathered Caruana 's novel deviation from the Sveshnikov Sicilian ( 12. b4 ) and responded with a bold attacking surprise ( 21. ... b5 ! ) to go for broke on the kingside and briefly take advantages in position and time over the American challenger . </p><p>But one false step ( 44 . ... Kd4 ) while trying to squeeze victory from a seemingly drawish position left the champion on the back foot , where he admitted he was " fortunate " to salvage a half-point after five hours and 19 minutes . </p><p> <span>Related : </span><a href= " https : **33;23086;TOOLONG ... Carlsen admits nerves after high-wire draw with Fabiano Caruana</a> </p> <a href= " https : **33;23121;TOOLONG ... reading ... </a>World Chess Championship 2018ChessFabiano CaruanaMagnus CarlsenSportUS sportsSat , 24 Nov 2018 19:20:49 GMThttp : **37;23156;TOOLONG ... Facundo **26;23195;TOOLONG : Facundo Arrizabalaga/EPABryan Armen **32;23223;TOOLONG Carlsen plays it safe in fizzling Game 11 draw with Fabiano Caruanahttps : **32;23257;TOOLONG ... **25;23291;TOOLONG href= " https : **33;23318;TOOLONG ... and Caruana play to 55-move draw -- as it **45;23353;TOOLONG ... match knotted at 5 ? -all after 11 **33;23400;TOOLONG on opening surprise : ' I just decided to shut it down ' **34;23435;TOOLONG penultimate scheduled contest of Magnus Carlsen 's world championship title defense against Fabiano Caruana fizzled out practically before liftoff on Saturday , ending in a simple two-and-a-quarter-hour draw to leave their best-of-12-games match knotted at 5 ? -all with one game remaining . </p><p> <span>Related : </span><a href= " https : **33;23471;TOOLONG ... Carlsen and Fabiano Caruana play to quiet draw in Game 11 -- live ! </a> **36;23506;TOOLONG **45;23544;TOOLONG ... <a href= " https : **33;23591;TOOLONG ... reading ... </a>World Chess Championship 2018ChessFabiano CaruanaMagnus CarlsenSportUS sportsSat , 24 Nov 2018 19:07:05 GMThttp : **37;23626;TOOLONG ... Facundo **26;23665;TOOLONG : Facundo Arrizabalaga/EPABryan Armen **32;23693;TOOLONG Carlsen and Fabiano Caruana play to thrilling Game 10 draw -- as it happenedhttps : **31;23727;TOOLONG ... **25;23760;TOOLONG href= " https : **33;23787;TOOLONG ... and Caruana play to 54-move draw in 5hr **45;23822;TOOLONG ... match knotted at 5-all after 10 draws **27;23869;TOOLONG class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-22T22:23:52.325Z " >10.23p ... <span class= " timezone " **29;23898;TOOLONG ... **39;23929;TOOLONG Bryan 's <a href= " https : **33;23970;TOOLONG ... off today 's game</a> , which you can replay below . </strong>Be sure to join us on Saturday for minute-by-minute coverage of Game 11. </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-22T20:43:33.915Z " >8.43pm <span class= " timezone " **29;24005;TOOLONG ... **33;24036;TOOLONG " I think at some point I had a big advantage but I could n't see how to play it , " Caruana says . </strong> " I think maybe ( 24. g3 ) was a mistake , but it 's also hard to say . Maybe I had chances after that as well , but it 's always very complicated because he 's attacking me and I always have to deal with a mating attack . So it 's not like I 'm only playing for two results . If I make a mistake I could get mated . " **25;24071;TOOLONG class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-22T20:33:53.837Z " >8.33pm <span class= " timezone " **29;24098;TOOLONG ... **33;24129;TOOLONG " I felt that it was very close to mate . The problem is if I do n't mate I 'm losing , " Carlsen says . </strong> " So I was trying to find some middle ground and my time was running out . I do n't know . I was just so nervous , I could n't make it happen . It ended up just being nothing . " </p><p>The champion is asked about Caruana 's opening novelty ( 12. b4 ) , the first move to deviate from their eighth game . </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-22T20:24:48.997Z " >8.24pm <span class= " timezone " **29;24164;TOOLONG ... **34;24195;TOOLONG quick rush of moves as Carlsen cowers back to the center ( 46 . Ra4+ Ke5 47 . Rab4 Ke6 ) . </strong>Caruana offers a pawn exchange and Carlsen accepts ( 48. c4 dxc4 49 . Rxc4 ) . A few more moves followed by a rook exchange ( 49 . Rxc4 Rdxb6 50 . Rxe4+ Kf7 51 . Rf5+ Rf6 52 . Rxf6+ Kxf6 53 . Kxf3 Kf7 54 . Kg3 ) and the players agree to a draw after five hours and 19 minutes ! </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-22T20:20:10.928Z " >8.20pm <span class= " timezone " **29;24231;TOOLONG ... **40;24262;TOOLONG answers with 45 . Rd6 but it takes him more than 15 minutes to find it . </strong>Caruana has more than twice as much time to work with the next time control not until after move 60. </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-22T20:14:26.406Z " >8.14pm <span class= " timezone " **29;24304;TOOLONG ... **40;24335;TOOLONG moves his king after nearly 14 minutes and Caruana quickly responds with 45 . Rb5. </strong> He 's looking very positive and confident with nearly twice as much time as Carlsen ( who 's already below a quarter hour ) and a suddenly optimistic position . </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-22T20:06:44.376Z " >8.06pm <span class= " timezone " **29;24377;TOOLONG ... **40;24408;TOOLONG elevates the urgency with 45 . Rb5 after a 10-minute think . </strong> If Carlsen had taken the challenger by surprise with 44 . ... Kd4 , then Caruana came close to returning the favor right here . Not least because the American is suddenly pressing ! The champion will need to sacrifice a pawn and be incredibly accurate in defense to hold a draw . </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-22T19:54:16.136Z " >7.54pm <span class= " timezone " **29;24450;TOOLONG ... **40;24481;TOOLONG plays 44 . ... Kd4 after nearly 14 minutes . </strong> He 's clearly grinding for the win . The grandmaster Susan Polgar notes he <a href= " https : **33;24523;TOOLONG ... have exposed his d-pawn</a> in the process . </p><p lang= " en " dir= " ltr " >Carlsen throws Caruana a wobbler with 44 ... Kd4 ! <br>What do you want Your Majesty ? <br>My pawns ? My rooks ? My soul ? </p><p lang= " en " dir= " ltr " >44 ... Kd4 is definitely a live grenade - but it could blow up on either side ! <a href= " https : **33;24558;TOOLONG ... class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-22T19:47:35.358Z " >7.47pm <span class= " timezone " **29;24593;TOOLONG ... **33;24624;TOOLONG " It 's going to be very hard to win with black , " grandmaster Judit Polgar says . </strong> Carlsen has been on the clock for more than 12 minutes now and he 's under a half hour . He grinding his gears trying to find a winning chance from the position , but all options appear drawish. </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-22T19:34:18.852Z " >7.34pm <span class= " timezone " **29;24659;TOOLONG ... **40;24690;TOOLONG moves up the h-rank with 43. ... h6 and Caruana meets him ( 44. h5 ) . </strong> <a href= " https : **33;24732;TOOLONG ... Susan Polgar : " I do not expect Carlsen to just give up , not try , and take a draw . He will try to squeeze this . But I also expect Caruana to put up a fierce defense all the way ! " </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-22T19:23:54.546Z " >7.23pm <span class= " timezone " **29;24767;TOOLONG ... **36;24798;TOOLONG engines have had it dead even for the last 20 moves . </strong>Nothing in the last back-and-forth ( 41 . ... Rc6 42 . Ra6 Ke5 43 . Kg3 ) changes that , but Russian grandmaster Peter Svidler offers a warning : " My hands would be very shaky with white in this position . It 's very , very scary . " </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-22T19:11:33.725Z " >7.11pm <span class= " timezone " **29;24836;TOOLONG ... **36;24867;TOOLONG players are seated again and Caruana opens what feels like the second act with 41. g4. </strong> The position does look ( dare we say ) drawish , but black does have winning chances . And if there 's a chance to slam the door on this match then you can believe the champion , whether <a href= " https : **33;24905;TOOLONG ... Carlsen of three years ago</a> or today 's iteration , will go for it . </p><p lang= " en " dir= " ltr " >The accuracy rate , even in punch-ups like this one , is borderline machine high . Hard to say what it will take to win a game here . A tragic oversight , or shattering nerves ? Armageddon ? <a href= " https : **33;24940;TOOLONG ... class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-22T19:05:17.379Z " >7.05pm <span class= " timezone " **29;24975;TOOLONG ... **36;25006;TOOLONG players scramble toward the time control ( 38 . ... Rc8 39 . Ra3 Kf7 ) as the game enters the fifth hour . </strong>Now Caruana needs to make one more move . He 's down to 30 seconds ... 20 seconds ... 10 seconds . And he finally plays 40 . Kh2 with eight seconds remaining ! Another 50 minutes of time and he immediately springs from his chair to the refreshment area . Carlsen plays 40 . ... Ke6 and joins him . We 've got an empty playing hall for the moment . </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-22T18:58:42.374Z " >6.58pm <span class= " timezone " **29;25044;TOOLONG ... **40;25075;TOOLONG spends about four minutes before playing 36 . Re1. </strong> A queen exchange quickly ensues ( 36 . ... Qxe3 37 . Rxe3 ) followed by 37 ... d5 38. h4 . Both players under two minutes ! **25;25117;TOOLONG class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-22T18:49:39.319Z " >6.49pm <span class= " timezone " **29;25144;TOOLONG ... **40;25175;TOOLONG on the clock after 34 . Rb2 Rb7 35 . Rd1. </strong> The champion is under two minutes . One and a half minutes ... and he plays 35 . ... Qe2 with 1min 11sec on the clock . He 's back to 1min 41sec after the increment . </p><p lang= " en " dir= " ltr " >35 Rd1 Qe2 Caruana is still fine but he has to remain patient and accurate . ? ? <a href= " https : //t.co/5QT54a1BZH " >pic.twitter ... class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-22T18:47:55.608Z " >6.47pm <span class= " timezone " **29;25217;TOOLONG ... **40;25248;TOOLONG under four minutes after 33 . Qe3 Qc4. </strong>Caruana with a little more than eight minutes . Time pressure mounting . Here 's what we 're looking at . </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-22T18:43:00.733Z " >6.43pm <span class= " timezone " **29;25290;TOOLONG ... **40;25321;TOOLONG exchanged after 31 . Qe1 Bxb6 32. axb6 Rab8. </strong> Russia grandmaster Alexander Grischuk does n't spare the rod with Carlsen 's 30 . ... Bd8 , calling it " the worst move of the match " . Adds co-commentator Peter Svidler : " It 's time for black to find a clear draw " . **25;25363;TOOLONG class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-22T18:37:56.250Z " >6.37pm <span class= " timezone " **29;25390;TOOLONG ... **40;25421;TOOLONG and Carlsen are both under 10 minutes after 30 . Rb5 Bd8. </strong> They will both have to make one move per minute including the increment to reach the time control after move 40 ( when they are both given an additional 50 minutes under <a href= " https : **33;25463;TOOLONG ... match regulations</a> ) . </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-22T18:32:48.617Z " >6.32pm <span class= " timezone " **29;25498;TOOLONG ... **34;25529;TOOLONG quick flurry of moves including equal trades of pawns and bishops : 27 . Bf1 Bxf1 28 . Qxf1 Qxd5 29 . Rxb4 Qe6. </strong> Carlsen with the clear upper hand thanks to advantages in position and time . " Magnus may not be winning , " British IM Thomas Rendle <a href= " https : **33;25565;TOOLONG ... " but every serious chessplayer would pick Black here . " </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-22T18:21:43.150Z " >6.21pm <span class= " timezone " **29;25600;TOOLONG ... **40;25631;TOOLONG digs in ( 26 . Rg1 ) , Carlsen pushes forward ( 26. ... f3 ) . </strong> And as the American ponders his move , he 's officially fallen behind Carlsen on the clock . Here 's what we 're looking at . **25;25673;TOOLONG class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-22T18:14:01.623Z " >6.14pm <span class= " timezone " **29;25700;TOOLONG ... **40;25731;TOOLONG plays 25 . Rb3 but spends more than 10 minutes on it . </strong> He 's going to need to be faster in this critical period . Carlsen needs only two minutes to hit back with 25 . ... Bh3 . Time pressure mounting for both players . </p><p lang= " en " dir= " ltr " >This game could end in a draw still - but can we agree now , once and for all , this is not a dull match in need of ' fixing ' somehow ? ! This is brutal , top-level chess at it 's very best . <a href= " https : **33;25773;TOOLONG ... class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-22T18:07:20.887Z " >6.07pm <span class= " timezone " **29;25808;TOOLONG ... **40;25839;TOOLONG plays 24. ... b4. </strong> That leaves him with 17min 29sec to make his next 15 moves before the players are given an additional 50 minutes after move 40 . Caruana on 29 minutes ( and counting ) as he ponders his 25th move . Sesse <a href= " http : //analysis.sesse.net/ " >has it dead even</a>. </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-22T17:59:18.218Z " >5.59pm <span class= " timezone " **29;25881;TOOLONG ... **40;25912;TOOLONG plays 24. g3 after more than 18 minutes . </strong> It 's not exactly a crowd-pleaser , but it makes sense . Time is becoming a mounting factor . " I do n't see how this can really be drawn , " Nakamura says . " Someone 's going to win and someone 's going to lose . " </p><p lang= " en " dir= " ltr " >This is why I tried to explain and many fans simply refuse to believe . When players are in immense pressure , they start to see things that are not there . Nerves can play tricks in humans ' minds . If Caruana is playing a 2000 player , he would not hesitate to capture on b5. <a href= " https : //t.co/rKFtT9Reuw " >pic.twitter ... class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-22T17:49:07.567Z " >5.49pm <span class= " timezone " **29;25954;TOOLONG ... **35;25985;TOOLONG now the $64,000 question is will Caruana capture Carlsen 's pawn on b5. </strong> Susan Polgar says it 's a <a href= " https : **33;26022;TOOLONG ... and premature</a> . A critical point in the game and the match . Caruana has been pondering and calculating for more than 15 minutes and his time advantage is down to nothing . " You 've just got to go for it , " American grandmaster Hikaru Nakamura says . " There 's nothing else you can do in this position . " </p><p lang= " en " dir= " ltr " >After 23 ... Qg5 , you need to have vibranium running through your veins to play 24 . Bxb5 in game ten of the world championship . </p><p lang= " en " dir= " ltr " >By the way I 'd be terrified to play 24 . Bxb5 here but what 's the alternative ? Might as well grab the pawn if we 're under attack ! <a href= " https : **33;26057;TOOLONG ... lang= " en " dir= " ltr " >All Norwegian fans are praying that Caruana will not take the bluff and not play Bxb5 ! ? ? <a href= " https : //t.co/EOpMdNOIti " >pic.twitter ... class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-22T17:40:08.958Z " >5.40pm <span class= " timezone " **29;26092;TOOLONG ... **40;26123;TOOLONG plays 22 . Nb6 after 14 minutes , but he 's still more than an a quarter hour ahead on the clock . </strong> After a knight exchange ( 22 . ... Nxb6 23 . Bxb6 ) , Carlsen expends another six minutes before continuing the attack with 23 . ... Qg5 . Interestingly , that swings the advantage dramatically to white <a href= " http : //analysis.sesse.net/ " >accordin ... to Sesse</a>. </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-22T17:16:15.163Z " >5.16pm <span class= " timezone " **29;26165;TOOLONG ... **36;26196;TOOLONG 21. ... b5 is on the board ! </strong> Surprise ! Carlsen spent 15 minutes before playing a move that no one saw coming . It sacrifices a pawn but in doing so removes a rook that 's been confounding black 's attacking ideas . He immediately springs from his chair and walks to the snack and refreshment area . Surely he 's pushing for a win today ! </p><p lang= " en " dir= " ltr " > ... b5 ! The crowd goes crazy ! That 's the way chess should be played . <a href= " https : **33;26234;TOOLONG ... lang= " und " dir= " ltr " >21. ... b5 ! <a href= " https : **33;26269;TOOLONG ... <a href= " https : //t.co/mJTaKDraDS " >pic.twitter ... class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-22T17:07:49.362Z " >5.07pm <span class= " timezone " **29;26304;TOOLONG ... **40;26335;TOOLONG advances his pawn 20. ... e4 after about 17 minutes , furthering his kingside initiative . </strong> Caruana immediately responds with 21 . Kh1 to escape a potential pin . Here 's what we 're looking at . " The game is very sharp , and it 's not what Magnus likes , " Garry Kasparov <a href= " https : **33;26377;TOOLONG ... " Because now he has to make some tough choices which is not typically his style . " </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-22T16:41:03.786Z " >4.41pm <span class= " timezone " **29;26412;TOOLONG ... **40;26443;TOOLONG brings out his queen with 19 . ... Qg6 , threatening an kingside attack . </strong> Caruana is going to think about this one for a bit . After nearly a quarter hour , he decides on 20 . Bc7. <a href= " http : //analysis.sesse.net/ " >Sesse< ... does not like that move for white , throwing a significant advantage to Carlsen for the first time today . </p><p lang= " en " dir= " ltr " >Well , Carlsen 's plan is pretty clear . The idea is Nf6 , e4 &amp ; trying to do something on the K side . Not sure what is Caruana 's plan with 19 . Ra3 especially when there are no square for the Rook in the K side . That was a curious move for me . I guess we just have to wait and see ! <a href= " https : //t.co/7ZxsQ3BRZI " >pic.twitter ... lang= " en " dir= " ltr " >Complications , slowing pace , building tension . Shaping up for another nervy duel . The big question is whether that is enough to break the deadlock . </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-22T16:29:23.640Z " >4.29pm <span class= " timezone " **29;26485;TOOLONG ... **39;26516;TOOLONG positions for both players . </strong>Carlsen has been on the clock for more than 10 minutes since Caruana 's 19 . Ra3 , which is a move the engines did not like one bit . The Norwegian supercomputer Sesse , running Stockfish , assesses the position after it had hovered above +0.50 since move 14. **25;26557;TOOLONG class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-22T16:13:19.009Z " >4.13pm <span class= " timezone " **29;26584;TOOLONG ... **40;26615;TOOLONG plays 18 . ... Qe8 and Caruana is back in the tank again . </strong>More than 17 minutes pass before the American opts for 19 . Ra3 . The players are just about level on time . </p><p lang= " en " dir= " ltr " > " In terms of chess understanding , this is what I would assess we are the most different on ; he values the centre a lot , " said Carlsen of Caruana before their London world title match . In game 10 , Carlsen has the centre but Caruana has the edge . </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-22T15:54:17.039Z " >3.54pm <span class= " timezone " **29;26657;TOOLONG ... **40;26688;TOOLONG plays **31;26730;TOOLONG . Bb6 **34;26763;TOOLONG spending eight minutes weighing his response to 17. ... f4. </strong> It 's his longest think of the day . It 's unclear if he 's out of his prep or just using some of his time advantage to make sure he 's precise . The Dutch grandmaster Anish Giri has an interesting theory : " You know what 's a bad sign for Magnus ? A bad sign is that Fabi is thinking . It means the move is not suggested by the computer . It shows the move is probably not good . " </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-22T15:45:05.272Z " >3.45pm <span class= " timezone " **29;26799;TOOLONG ... **40;26830;TOOLONG establishing space advantage on the queenside and the potential for counterplay with 15 . ... Ra8 16 . Be3 f5 17. a5 f4. </strong> He 's more than 20 minutes ahead on the clock with more time than he started with thanks to the 30-second increment after each move . </p><p lang= " en " dir= " ltr " >The position after 17 moves already looks like it could be a lot of fun . <a href= " https : **33;26872;TOOLONG ... <a href= " https : //t.co/NokjcgIXRe " >pic.twitter ... class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-22T15:32:53.417Z " >3.32pm <span class= " timezone " **29;26907;TOOLONG ... **40;26938;TOOLONG finally answers with 12. ... a6. </strong> Caruana , moving quickly , is still in his home prep after 13 . Na3 a5 14. bxa5 Rxa5 15 . Nc4 . Carlsen thinking hard on every response . </p><p lang= " en " dir= " ltr " >13 ... a5 14. bxa5 Rxa5 15 . Nc4 Carlsen is OK in this position . The problem is it is so concrete , which is not Carlsen 's strength , and Caruana is clearly in his preparation . So it is like fighting with your hands tied . <a href= " https : //t.co/gHou3YbVz7 " >pic.twitter ... class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-22T15:22:49.916Z " >3.22pm <span class= " timezone " **29;26980;TOOLONG ... **36;27011;TOOLONG Caruana 's 12. b4 has taken Carlsen by surprise ! </strong>The champion has been on the clock for nearly 10 minutes . And he does n't look particularly happy about it . </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-22T15:13:50.130Z " >3.13pm <span class= " timezone " **29;27049;TOOLONG ... **36;27080;TOOLONG parallel lines extend for their first 11 moves ( 6 . Ndb5 d6 7 . Nd5 Nxd5 8. exd5 Nb8 9. a4 Be7 10 . Be2 O-O 11 . O-O Nd7 ) . </strong>And it 's Caruana who deviates first , tossing in a novelty with 12. b4. </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-22T15:07:51.141Z " >3.07pm <span class= " timezone " **29;27118;TOOLONG ... **36;27149;TOOLONG we 're off with 1 . e4 c5 2 . Nf3 Nc6 3. d4 cxd4 4 . Nxd4. </strong> We 're into the Sicilian and it 's not the Rossolimo . And with 4 . ... Nf6 5 . Nc3 e5 , we 're into the Sveshnikov variation . This is the same line as Game 8. **25;27187;TOOLONG class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-22T14:19:55.444Z " >2.19pm <span class= " timezone " **29;27214;TOOLONG ... **38;27245;TOOLONG and welcome to Game 10 of the World Chess Championship between Norway 's Magnus Carlsen and Fabiano Caruana of the United States . </strong>We 're looking at a 4 ? -all deadlock after nine games in 13 days , no closer to a verdict than when we started . We have , however , borne witness to a bit of history : The nine straight draws represent the longest streak of games to open a match without a decisive result in the recognized 132-year history of world championship matches . **36;27285;TOOLONG **45;27323;TOOLONG ... class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-22T13:37:29.069Z " >1.37pm <span class= " timezone " **29;27370;TOOLONG ... **38;27401;TOOLONG will be here shortly . </strong>In the meantime <a href= " https : **33;27441;TOOLONG ... his report</a> from Wednesday 's ninth game . </p><p>A freshly bruised Magnus Carlsen came dangerously close to landing a decisive blow in Wednesday 's ninth game of his tightly wound defense of the world chess championship against <a href= " https : **33;27476;TOOLONG ... Caruana</a> in London , until a moment of impatience allowed his opponent off the hook and left the best-of-12-games match no closer to resolution in a 4 ? -all deadlock . </p><p>The 27-year-old champion , <a href= " https : **33;27511;TOOLONG ... a bandage over a black eye</a> absorbed in a collision with a Norwegian journalist during a kickabout on Tuesday 's rest day , harried the American challenger out of his preparation early and pushed him to the brink of disaster in the middlegame , but one rushed misstep gifted Caruana the slack he required to hold for a 58-move draw with three classical games remaining and the gnawing spectre of a tie-breaker looming ever larger . </p><p> <span>Related : </span><a href= " https : **33;27546;TOOLONG ... blew it ' : Bruised Magnus Carlsen rues Game 9 draw with Fabiano Caruana</a> </p> <a href= " https : **33;27581;TOOLONG ... reading ... </a>World Chess Championship 2018ChessMagnus CarlsenFabiano CaruanaSportUS sportsThu , 22 Nov 2018 22:23:52 GMThttp : **37;27616;TOOLONG ... Facundo **26;27655;TOOLONG : Facundo Arrizabalaga/EPABryan Armen **32;27683;TOOLONG Carlsen admits nerves after high-wire draw with Fabiano Caruanahttps : **32;27717;TOOLONG ... **25;27751;TOOLONG href= " https : **33;27778;TOOLONG ... and Caruana play to 54-move draw -- as it **45;27813;TOOLONG ... title match knotted at 5-all after 10 **42;27860;TOOLONG Carlsen confessed to nerves after holding on for a high-wire draw with Fabiano Caruana on Thursday in the marathon 10th game of their world championship showdown , which left the best-of-12-games match in a 5-all deadlock with two contests remaining . </p><p> <span>Related : </span><a href= " https : **33;27904;TOOLONG ... Carlsen and Fabiano Caruana play to thrilling Game 10 draw -- live ! </a> **36;27939;TOOLONG **45;27977;TOOLONG ... <a href= " https : **33;28024;TOOLONG ... reading ... </a>World Chess Championship 2018ChessFabiano CaruanaMagnus CarlsenSportUS sportsThu , 22 Nov 2018 22:13:11 GMThttp : **37;28059;TOOLONG ... Facundo **26;28098;TOOLONG : Facundo Arrizabalaga/EPABryan Armen **32;28126;TOOLONG Carlsen misses winning chance in Game 9 draw with Fabiano Caruana -- as it happenedhttps : **31;28160;TOOLONG ... **25;28193;TOOLONG href= " https : **33;28220;TOOLONG ... and Caruana play to 58-move draw in Game 9 of title **45;28255;TOOLONG ... match still deadlocked at 4 ? -all after nine **35;28302;TOOLONG impatient 25. h5 allows Caruana to hold for peaceful **32;28339;TOOLONG href= " https : **33;28373;TOOLONG ... World Chess Championship is thrilling . But where are the women ? **37;28408;TOOLONG class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-22T14:45:10.621Z " >2.45pm <span class= " timezone " **29;28447;TOOLONG ... </p><p> <span>Related : </span><a href= " https : **33;28478;TOOLONG ... Carlsen v Fabiano Caruana : World Chess Championship , Game 10 -- live ! </a> </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-21T20:12:14.878Z " >8.12pm <span class= " timezone " **29;28513;TOOLONG ... **37;28544;TOOLONG games , nine draws . </strong> We 're no closer to a verdict than when we started . Here 's the <a href= " https : **33;28583;TOOLONG ... report from today 's game</a> . And be sure to join us tomorrow for minute-by-minute coverage of Game 10. </p><p> <span>Related : </span><a href= " https : **33;28618;TOOLONG ... blew it ' : Bruised Magnus Carlsen rues Game 9 draw with Fabiano Caruana</a> </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-21T19:36:53.278Z " >7.36pm <span class= " timezone " **29;28653;TOOLONG ... **33;28684;TOOLONG " I was very happy with the opening , obviously , " Carlsen says during the post-game press conference . </strong> " You can not expect more than what I had for sure . " </p><p>The champion says he had " mixed feelings " about 27 . Bf3 : " On one hand it leads to a very comfortable advantage . On the other hand , as Fabiano said , it simplifies the game quite a lot . I felt like I was n't in time to do everything that I wanted . I just think ( 25. h5 ) was a a mistake . " </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-21T19:13:34.727Z " >7.13pm <span class= " timezone " **29;28719;TOOLONG ... **40;28750;TOOLONG is asked about the looming specter of a tiebreak next Wednesday if the next three games end in draws . </strong> The Norwegian , who in addition to his No 1 ranking is the world 's top rated rapid player and top rated blitz player ( compared to Caruana 's respective ratings of No 8 and No 16 ) , will be a heavy favorite if the match ends 6-all and goes to the tie-breaker , which consists of a series of matches under tighter time controls . Simply put , it 's been 13 years since Carlsen lost a tiebreak. </p><p> " I 'm really not thinking about the tiebreak now , " the American says . " If we get there then I 'll start to think about it , but there 's still a lot of chess to be played . " </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-21T18:44:34.088Z " >6.44pm <span class= " timezone " **29;28792;TOOLONG ... **33;28823;TOOLONG " I felt like I had a comfortable advantage and then I just blew it , " a clearly disappointed Carlsen says . </strong> " I was poor . " **26;28858;TOOLONG is asked whether his eye injury from yesterday 's kickabout had any effect on today 's game . </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-21T18:42:04.428Z " >6.42pm <span class= " timezone " **29;28886;TOOLONG ... **33;28917;TOOLONG " He was prepared quite deeply up until ( 17 . Qd1 ) , " Caruana says . </strong> " He knew what was going on and then I had to start groveling . I did n't really want to go for this position with opposite-colored bishops but I did n't see a choice . Other things were a bit unpleasant but my drawing chances were really high . " </p><p>The challenger adds : " I did n't at any point feel like my position was much worse , I just felt it was slightly worse . " </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-21T18:36:22.162Z " >6.36pm <span class= " timezone " **29;28952;TOOLONG ... **36;28983;TOOLONG players shake hands after consenting to a draw after 58 moves and three and a half hours . </strong>No progress after the last back-and-forth ( 50 . Bh3 Be3 51 . Kc6 Bb6 52 . Kd5 Ba7 53 . Ke4 Bb6 54 . Bf1 Ke6 55 . Bc4+ Kf6 56 . Bd3 Ke6 ) . We are no closer to a verdict after today 's action with the best-of-12-games deadlocked at 4 ? -all after nine draws . </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-21T18:29:04.349Z " >6.29pm <span class= " timezone " **29;29021;TOOLONG ... **38;29052;TOOLONG more moves and no progress . This is a draw . </strong> The moves , for the record : 41. a6 Bd4 42 . Kg2 Kf6 43. f4 Bb6 44 . Kf3 h6 45 . Ke4 Ba7 46 . Bg4 Bg1 47 . Kd5 Bb6 48 . Kc6 Be3 49 . Kb7 Bb6. </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-21T18:12:04.384Z " >6.12pm <span class= " timezone " **29;29092;TOOLONG ... **35;29123;TOOLONG should be expecting a handshake soon after the next sequence of moves forces a queen exchange ( 36 . ... Qxh4 37. a4 Qf6 38 . Bd1 Qe5 39 . Qxe5+ Bxe5 ) . </strong> The players gain an additional 50 minutes on their clocks after their 40th moves ( 40. a5 Kg7 ) . Another peaceful result forthcoming . **25;29160;TOOLONG class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-21T18:01:56.919Z " >6.01pm <span class= " timezone " **29;29187;TOOLONG ... **34;29218;TOOLONG quick flurry of moves : 31 . ... Bc5 32 . Rg1 Rxg1+ 33 . Kxg1 Bd6 34 . Qa4 f4 35 . Qxa7 fxe3 36 . Qxe3. </strong> The position looks drawish but Caruana has less than 10 minutes to make his next four moves before the time control . </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-21T17:51:53.943Z " >5.51pm <span class= " timezone " **29;29254;TOOLONG ... **34;29285;TOOLONG completely equal position after 29 . ... Rg8+ 30 . Kh1 Qf6 31 . Qf4. </strong> If both played make all the right moves from here , we should be looking at a draw that would represent a record in the centuries-spanning annals of world championship matches . </p><p lang= " en " dir= " ltr " >Please note that both players in <a href= " https : **33;29321;TOOLONG ... can become historic if they draw today . Could become first time with 9 draws at the start of the WCh-match . Kasparov-Anand ' 95 started with 8. <a href= " https : **33;29356;TOOLONG ... lang= " en " dir= " ltr " >29 ... Rg8+ 30 . Kh1 Qf6 Caruana tries to seal the weak diagonal where his King is hiding in . The position is equal . Carlsen will push but it will be a draw . All the noises will lead to ... nothing , still draw <a href= " https : //t.co/djgDjX2jDB " >pic.twitter ... class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-21T17:46:52.303Z " >5.46pm <span class= " timezone " **29;29391;TOOLONG ... **40;29422;TOOLONG has taken more time on his last couple of moves and the rook exchange would seem to keep the draw closer : 27 . Bf3 h4 28 . Rxd8 Rxd8 29. gxh4. </strong> But the champion 's choice to keep the queens on the board indicates he still believes in a winning chance . A bit risky but we are here for it . The <a href= " http : //analysis.sesse.net/ " >supercom ... has it dead even</a>. </p><p lang= " en " dir= " ltr " >29 gxh4 The correct recapture . The position is equal . But as you can see , it is slightly easier for humans to play on the White side as Black has weaker pawns and White King is a little safer . But still should be a draw unless someone makes a colossal mistake . <a href= " https : //t.co/kwgRyOXGa1 " >pic.twitter ... lang= " en " dir= " ltr " >Very happy with the level of excitement in this match but starting to be disappointed by the quality at times . Both players are very nervous when ahead ! <a href= " https : **33;29464;TOOLONG ... class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-21T17:10:12.473Z " >5.10pm <span class= " timezone " **29;29499;TOOLONG ... **34;29530;TOOLONG sound response by Caruana with 26. ... f5. </strong>The computer seems to confirm that Carlsen rushed it with 25. h5 . The challenger is not out of the woods yet , but Carlsen appears to have let him off the hook . Says Peter Svidler : " He 's just not playing his best chess . " </p><p lang= " en " dir= " ltr " >h5 by Carlsen shows that his one greatest asset- his incredible patience , has now gone <a href= " https : **33;29566;TOOLONG ... class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-21T17:00:21.005Z " >5.00pm <span class= " timezone " **29;29601;TOOLONG ... **40;29632;TOOLONG accepts the h-pawn ( 25. ... gxh5 ) . </strong>Carlsen quickly answers with 26 . Qc4 . The time pressure continues to mount for the challenger , who is under a half hour . That gives him less than 30 minutes to make his next 15 moves . Says Nakamura : " If he does n't find the right moves here , he 's just going to lose . " </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-21T16:55:55.955Z " >4.55pm <span class= " timezone " **29;29674;TOOLONG ... **40;29705;TOOLONG offers a pawn with 25. h5 , drawing criticism from both the computers and the pundits . </strong> It wipes away nearly all of his advantage <a href= " http : //analysis.sesse.net/ " >per Stockfish</a> , while Nakamura calls it a " strange move " in the commentary booth . " It feels a little bit premature to me , " the American grandmaster says . " It 's a peculiar choice by Magnus . " </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-21T16:51:48.238Z " >4.51pm <span class= " timezone " **29;29747;TOOLONG ... **40;29778;TOOLONG spends another 10 minutes before playing 23 . ... Qe7. </strong> Carlsen , with time to burn , takes six minutes before answering with 24. h4 . Caruana immediately comes back with 24. ... g6 . The American IM Greg Shahade likes the Norwegian 's chances to break through from here . </p><p lang= " en " dir= " ltr " >I will be super impressed if Fabiano is able to hold this . But at the moment I think Carlsen has great chances to win . <a href= " https : **33;29820;TOOLONG ... class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-21T16:39:33.408Z " >4.39pm <span class= " timezone " **29;29855;TOOLONG ... **40;29886;TOOLONG is under pressure with Carlsen 's advantage still intact after 21 . ... Qe5 22 . Bxb7 Rad8 23 . Rad1. </strong> The American has just gone under 40 minutes , more than 50 minutes behind his opponent . </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-21T16:28:04.722Z " >4.28pm <span class= " timezone " **29;29928;TOOLONG ... **38;29959;TOOLONG materials exchanged after 18 Qb3+ Kh8 19 . Bxf3 Nxd4 20 . Bxd4 Qxd4 21. e3. </strong> White slightly better according to the engines and Polgar. </p><p lang= " en " dir= " ltr " >21. e3 += Slight advantage for Carlsen <a href= " https : //t.co/34QBQg9EeN " >pic.twitter ... class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-21T16:22:25.178Z " >4.22pm <span class= " timezone " **29;29999;TOOLONG ... **40;30030;TOOLONG responds with the drastic and potentially dubious 17 . ... Bxf3. </strong> Maybe we should tack a ! ? on it . The evaluation engine spikes from 0.00 to +0.83 to Carlsen . It 's caused the grandmaster Anish Giri to <a href= " https : **33;30072;TOOLONG ... drop his cup of tea</a> , while Susan Polgar <a href= " https : **33;30107;TOOLONG ... " This move does not smell good . " <a href= " https : **33;30142;TOOLONG ... Russian grandmaster Peter Svidler : " It 's an incredible curious choice to take on f3 here , even if you think you will eventually hold this . In general you are giving Magnus exactly what he wants from this game . A stable advantage forever with no way to completely equalize. " </p><p lang= " en " dir= " ltr " >Carlsen finally got an advantage after the opening with white , shown not only on the board , but also by his 50 minute lead on the clock after just 17 moves . This should be exciting . <a href= " https : **33;30177;TOOLONG ... <a href= " https : //t.co/uDrxWucZuT " >pic.twitter ... class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-21T16:08:03.007Z " >4.08pm <span class= " timezone " **29;30212;TOOLONG ... **36;30243;TOOLONG good news for Caruana is the <a href= " http : //analysis.sesse.net/ " >Sesse supercomputer</a> indicates that black has equalized . </strong> The bad news is he 's spent another 12 minutes ( and counting ) considering his response to 17 . Qd1 . He 's below 50 minutes and nearly an hour behind Carlsen on move 17. </p><p lang= " en " dir= " ltr " >If we consider the clock the 33rd piece in chess , Carlsen 's opening has been a major success . On the board he may not have much , but it is a strategically complex position where Caruana may burn a lot of time , and where there is no easy simplification in sight <a href= " https : **33;30281;TOOLONG ... class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-21T15:58:29.255Z " >3.58pm <span class= " timezone " **29;30316;TOOLONG ... **40;30347;TOOLONG expends another eight minutes before taking Carlsen 's d-pawn and the champion immediately accepts the trade ( 14 ... exd4 15. cxd4 ) . </strong>Caruana threatens white 's queen with his bishop ( 15 . ... Be4 ) and Carlsen escapes while putting black in check ( 16 . Qb3 ) . Caruana intervenes with his bishop ( 16 . ... Bd5 ) and Carlsen retreats ( 17 . Qd1 ) . The American is more than 40 minutes behind on time . Caruana has nearly four more minutes than what he started with due to the 30-second increment after each move . </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-21T15:47:30.976Z " >3.47pm <span class= " timezone " **29;30389;TOOLONG ... **40;30420;TOOLONG finally decides on 13 . ... Bd5 after 21 minutes . </strong> Carlsen responds in 72 seconds with 14 . Qc2 . He 's moving quickly as Caruana finds himself more than a half hour behind on the clock already . </p><p lang= " en " dir= " ltr " >Surprisingly , Carlsen immediately responded with 14 . Qc2 . Now Caruana is thinking again . This is a mental game by Carlsen . He wants Caruana to think and believe that he is in Carlsen 's home prep . This is a normal practice in World Championship play . Mind games ! <a href= " https : //t.co/jWdXYgwpzu " >pic.twitter ... class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-21T15:42:30.460Z " >3.42pm <span class= " timezone " **29;30462;TOOLONG ... **40;30493;TOOLONG is in the tank on move 13. </strong> He 's been weighing his response to Carlsen 's 13. d4 for more than 20 minutes now . Out of prep , it seems . </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-21T15:23:29.628Z " >3.23pm <span class= " timezone " **29;30535;TOOLONG ... **40;30566;TOOLONG spends nearly 10 minutes before coming back with 12 . ... Bb6. </strong> Carlsen needs only seconds to attack the center with 13. d4 and the American is taking his time again . Carlsen 's wounded eye looking perfectly fine in the playing hall . </p><p lang= " en " dir= " ltr " >In 130 years of world chess championships , this is the only time you can say these words : the world champion has a black eye . <a href= " https : //t.co/HJqTI00YFL " >pic.twitter ... lang= " en " dir= " ltr " >The game is strategically complex and white is still in book . I think team Magnus is happy here . <a href= " https : **33;30608;TOOLONG ... class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-21T15:21:43.447Z " >3.21pm <span class= " timezone " **29;30643;TOOLONG ... **35;30674;TOOLONG seems Carlsen is trying to take Caruana out of book with 9 . Bg5. </strong> But the challenger answers quickly with 9 . ... Nxc3 . Caruana responding with pace over the next couple of moves ( 10. bxc3 f6 11 . Bc1 Be6 ) , but Carlsen 's 12 . Bb2 prompts the first long think of the match . He 's been pondering the position for the last eight minutes ( and counting ) . </p><p lang= " en " dir= " ltr " >12 Bb2 Interesting retreat with the Bishop . There are 2 reasons for this : keep the d2 square open for a potential Knight-maneuver with Nf3-d2-c4 and try to employ the Bishop via a3 after advancing the pawn to a4. <a href= " https : //t.co/Ihc9nq2Y5Z " >pic.twitter ... class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-21T15:12:26.887Z " >3.12pm <span class= " timezone " **29;30711;TOOLONG ... **36;30742;TOOLONG geographically appropriate English Opening is on the board ( 1 . c4 ) ! </strong> This is the same opening as the <a href= " https : **33;30780;TOOLONG ... game</a> and the parallel lines extend for Carlsen 's first eight moves ( 1 . c4 e5 2 . Nc3 Nf6 3 . Nf3 Nc6 4. g3 d5 5. cxd5 Nxd5 6 . Bg2 Bc5 7 . O-O O-O 8. d3 Re8 ) until he deviates with 9 . Bg5 . This is a bit of a surprise because Carlsen had only played the English once in <a href= " http : **34;30815;TOOLONG ... previous classical games</a> with Caruana enter Game 4 and he did n't really get much from it in that contest . </p><p lang= " en " dir= " ltr " >Daniel Weil , partner at <a href= " https : //twitter.com/pentagram ? refsrc=t ... @pentagram</a> , the world 's largest independently owned design studio , and designer of the chess board , made the First Move today <a href= " https : **33;30851;TOOLONG ... <a href= " https : **33;30886;TOOLONG ... <a href= " https : **33;30921;TOOLONG ... <a href= " https : **33;30956;TOOLONG ... <a href= " https : //t.co/FEkd185Fb3 " >pic.twitter ... class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-21T14:57:22.737Z " >2.57pm <span class= " timezone " **29;30991;TOOLONG ... **40;31022;TOOLONG had an eventful rest day . </strong> Sparring with Anthony Joshua ? Not exactly . The champion 's doctor Dr Brede Kvisvik <a href= " https : **33;31064;TOOLONG ... Norwegian broadcaster NRK</a> that Carlsen picked up a shiner and sustained a minor head injury in a collision while having a kickabout . " There 's no concussion , as we had feared , " Kvisvik said . </p><p>Brede said Carlsen otherwise was fine , and the cut he also sustained " is n't so big that we need to do anything with it . " No stitches were necessary and ice was applied to ward off swelling . " If he has any vision problems , then it can be difficult , " Brede added , but he claimed Carlsen 's brain was " functioning just as well " as always . </p><p>The doctor thus did n't think Carlsen would need to call in sick for the ninth game in a championship that remains even against challenger Fabiano Caruana . The two players have tied every single round they 've played and currently stand at 4-4. </p><p style= " margin:8px 0 0 0 ; padding:0 4px ; " > <a href= " https : **33;31099;TOOLONG ... style= " color : #000 ; font-family:Arial , sans-serif ; font-size:14px ; font-style:normal ; font-weight:normal ; line-height:17px ; text-decoration:none ; word-wrap:break-word ; " target= " blank " >The match is heating **27;31134;TOOLONG class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-21T14:45:58.716Z " >2.45pm <span class= " timezone " **29;31163;TOOLONG ... **42;31194;TOOLONG best winning chance of the match so far came in Monday 's eighth game . </strong> The challenger had the Carlsen down nearly an hour on the clock and facing a shaky position in the middlegame . His advantage per the <a href= " http : //analysis.sesse.net/ " >Stockfis ... evaluation engine</a> had ballooned to +2.45 after 22. ... dxc5 and was a still-formidable +1.95 after 23 . ... Bd6 . " For sure this was the moment that I was most worried , " Carlsen would later say . </p><p>But the American 's prophylactic response ( 24. h3 ? ! ) to Carlsen 's 23 . ... Bd6 cost him a tempo , all but wiped out his advantage on the computer and allowed Carlsen back into the game . </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-21T14:33:53.642Z " >2.33pm <span class= " timezone " **29;31238;TOOLONG ... **38;31269;TOOLONG and welcome to London for today 's ninth game of the world chess championship between Norway 's Magnus Carlsen and Fabiano Caruana of the United States . </strong> Play resumes today after with the best-of-12-games match deadlocked at 4-all following eight draws in as many games . **36;31309;TOOLONG **45;31347;TOOLONG ... **45;31394;TOOLONG ... class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-21T12:43:17.744Z " >12.43p ... <span class= " timezone " **29;31441;TOOLONG ... **38;31472;TOOLONG will be here shortly . </strong> In the meantime <a href= " https : **33;31512;TOOLONG ... his report from Monday 's eighth game</a> , where Carlsen admitted he was " happy to survive " after getting pushed to the limit by his dogged American challenger . </p><p> <span>Related : </span><a href= " https : **33;31547;TOOLONG ... Carlsen springs Game 8 escape thanks to Fabiano Caruana 's false step</a> </p> <a href= " https : **33;31582;TOOLONG ... reading ... </a>World Chess Championship 2018ChessFabiano CaruanaSportUS sportsMagnus CarlsenWed , 21 Nov 2018 20:12:14 GMThttp : **37;31617;TOOLONG ... Facundo **26;31656;TOOLONG : Facundo Arrizabalaga/EPABryan Armen **28;31684;TOOLONG blew it ' : Bruised Magnus Carlsen rues Game 9 draw with Fabiano Caruanahttps : **32;31714;TOOLONG ... **25;31748;TOOLONG href= " https : **33;31775;TOOLONG ... misses winning chance in Game 9 -- as it **42;31810;TOOLONG concussion ' : Carlsen 's physician downplays eye **43;31854;TOOLONG match knotted at 4 ? -all after nine **37;31899;TOOLONG freshly bruised Magnus Carlsen came dangerously close to landing a decisive blow in Wednesday 's ninth game of his tightly wound defense of the world chess championship against Fabiano Caruana in London , until a moment of impatience allowed his opponent off the hook and left the best-of-12-games match no closer to resolution in a 4 ? -all deadlock . </p><p> <span>Related : </span><a href= " https : **33;31938;TOOLONG ... Carlsen misses winning chance in Game 9 draw with Fabiano Caruana -- live ! </a> **36;31973;TOOLONG **45;32011;TOOLONG ... <span>Related : </span><a href= " https : **33;32058;TOOLONG ... World Chess Championship is thrilling . But where are the women ? Alisha **26;32093;TOOLONG </p><p style= " margin:8px 0 0 0 ; padding:0 4px ; " > <a href= " https : **33;32121;TOOLONG ... style= " color : #000 ; font-family:Arial , sans-serif ; font-size:14px ; font-style:normal ; font-weight:normal ; line-height:17px ; text-decoration:none ; word-wrap:break-word ; " target= " blank " >The match is heating up</a></p> <a href= " https : **33;32156;TOOLONG ... reading ... </a>World Chess Championship 2018ChessMagnus CarlsenFabiano CaruanaSportUS sportsWed , 21 Nov 2018 20:08:08 GMThttp : **37;32191;TOOLONG ... Facundo **26;32230;TOOLONG : Facundo Arrizabalaga/EPABryan Armen **32;32258;TOOLONG Carlsen saves draw as Fabiano Caruana falters in Game 8 -- as it happenedhttps : **31;32292;TOOLONG ... **25;32325;TOOLONG href= " https : **33;32352;TOOLONG ... saves 38-move draw from unpleasant position in Game **37;32387;TOOLONG href= " https : **33;32426;TOOLONG ... Carlsen ' way too soft ' in Game 7</a> ( <a href= " https : **33;32461;TOOLONG ... move-by-move recap</a> ) **27;32496;TOOLONG class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-19T20:14:54.315Z " >8.14pm <span class= " timezone " **29;32525;TOOLONG ... **38;32556;TOOLONG straight draws and a 4-all deadlock . </strong> Will Wednesday finally be the day for a decisive result ? We 'll soon find out . Be sure to join us then for more minute-by-minute coverage . </p><p> <span>Related : </span><a href= " https : **33;32596;TOOLONG ... Carlsen springs Game 8 escape thanks to Fabiano Caruana 's false step</a> </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-19T20:05:02.206Z " >8.05pm <span class= " timezone " **29;32631;TOOLONG ... **38;32662;TOOLONG inching closer to a potential tie-breaker , where Carlsen will be a considerable favorite in a series of matches under shorter time controls . </strong> After all the Norwegian is the world 's No 1 rapid player and No 1 blitz player ( compared to Caruana 's respective ratings of No 8 and No 16 ) . He 's also got experience on the stage having <a href= " https : **33;32702;TOOLONG ... the title in the tie-break stage against Sergey Karjakin</a> two years ago in New York . But he believes there 's plenty of road to go when asked about it . </p><p> " If it gets to the tie-breaker I 'm going to take it and try and make the most of it , " Carlsen says . " There 's a lot of chess to be played and before we may come to that time , I 'm sure there will be twists and turns to come . We both have two white games each . But as for today I 'm obviously happy with the draw with the black pieces and obviously kind of a dangerous position . That 's because it 's a good result in general , not because it gets me closer to a playoff. " </p><p lang= " no " dir= " ltr " >Hva driver <a href= " https : **27;32737;TOOLONG ? refs ... @MagnusCarlsen</a> med her ? <a href= " https : //t.co/O5mxpCN1LF " >pic.twitter ... class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-19T19:52:50.569Z " >7.52pm <span class= " timezone " **29;32766;TOOLONG ... **33;32797;TOOLONG " For you Fabiano , does it feel like missing a penalty or was it ( not ) that bad ? " </strong>asks a reporter regarding the mental aftereffects of a game like Monday's. </p><p>The American responds : " I do n't think the position was ever quite like that . I had some chances , it 's not like it 's always going to work out . Just because you put some pressure on Magnus does n't mean that he collapses or anything . I had some chances . I do n't know how serious they were . It definitely was n't like missing a penalty . " </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-19T18:59:48.520Z " >6.59pm <span class= " timezone " **29;32832;TOOLONG ... **33;32863;TOOLONG " Some minor disappointment , " Caruana says when asked to assess his emotions after the match . </strong> " I thought at some point I had a very promising position . I did n't quite see exactly which moment I had something very good . " </p><p>Says a relieved Carlsen : " This was a tough game . He was the one who had all the chances . So I am happy to have survived it for sure . " </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-19T18:49:09.561Z " >6.49pm <span class= " timezone " **29;32898;TOOLONG ... **36;32929;TOOLONG final sequence ( 37. d6 Rd2 38 . Rg5 ) and the players have consented to a draw after 38 moves and 3hr 43min. </strong> Another impressive save by Carlsen . Caruana had the champion facing his most unpleasant moment of the match so far , down nearly an hour with a highly shaky position , but one inaccurate step ( 24. h3 ? ! ) was all Carlsen needed to hatch another escape . The world championship match is deadlocked at 4-all after eight games . **25;32967;TOOLONG class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-19T18:39:32.902Z " >6.39pm <span class= " timezone " **29;32994;TOOLONG ... **40;33025;TOOLONG plays 35 . Rf6 and he 's down to 15 minutes . </strong> Carlsen answers with 35 . ... Re2 and he 's under 10 minutes . Another back-and-forth ( 36 . Rg6+ Kf8 ) and here 's what we 're looking at . </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-19T18:27:07.716Z " >6.27pm <span class= " timezone " **29;33067;TOOLONG ... **36;33098;TOOLONG position appears to be a simple draw after 32 . ... Kf7 33 . Bxh4 Re8. </strong>But Caruana grinds on , putting Carlsen in check with 34 . Rf1+ followed by 34 . ... Kg8 . Caruana in right mind to keep pushing even if a draw seems inevitable with only two more games as white . Also , one could argue he consented to a peaceful result perhaps too soon in Game 2 when he could have made Carlsen work for it for at least a few more hours . Black is the one who needs to be more accurate in the current position and Carlsen has about twice as much time as Carlsen , who is down to 11 minutes . </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-19T18:12:38.971Z " >6.12pm <span class= " timezone " **29;33136;TOOLONG ... **40;33167;TOOLONG simplification as the players trade rooks : 31 . Rf6 Rxf6 32 . Bxf6. </strong> The computer is <a href= " http : //analysis.sesse.net/ " >tipping a very slight ( +0.34 ) advantage to Caruana</a> for bringing his bishop onto that critical square , but an impending second rook exchange should put this one to bed . </p><p lang= " en " dir= " ltr " >30 . Re1 Bg4 31 . Rf6 Soon both pairs of Rooks may be off the board which will result in definite draw . Another exciting day gone wrong <a href= " https : //t.co/EyQWatXQIU " >pic.twitter ... class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-19T18:09:06.415Z " >6.09pm <span class= " timezone " **29;33209;TOOLONG ... **38;33240;TOOLONG back-and-forth with 30 . Re1 Bg4. </strong> Carlsen has everything under control . The time situation is practically even with both players around 22 minutes for their next nine moves until the time control . </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-19T18:05:56.850Z " >6.05pm <span class= " timezone " **29;33280;TOOLONG ... **40;33311;TOOLONG opted for simplification with 27. h4. </strong> Carlsen , after a 10-minute think , accepts the pawn with 27. ... gxh4 . We appear bound for a draw after Caruana takes a pawn back ( 28 . Qxf4 ) and the players exchange queens ( 28 . ... Qxf4 29 . Rxf4 ) followed by 29. ... h5 . We 're just over three hours in today 's game but getting the sense it might not last much longer . </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-19T17:50:44.365Z " >5.50pm <span class= " timezone " **29;33353;TOOLONG ... **35;33384;TOOLONG appears we 're headed for a draw after 25 . Nc4 Qg6 26 . Nxd6 Qxd6. </strong>Caruana comes back with 27. h4 , indicating he 's not completely given up hopes for a win . Alas , as grandmaster <a href= " https : **33;33421;TOOLONG ... Polgar assesses</a> , an eighth straight peaceful appears in the offing . </p><p lang= " en " dir= " ltr " >Now 25 . Nc4 but it does not have the same sting . <br>25 ... Qg6 26 . Nxd6 Qxd6 27. h4 With Bishops opposite colors , the game will likely head to another draw . <a href= " https : //t.co/tAkqO1GknX " >pic.twitter ... class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-19T17:42:00.890Z " >5.42pm <span class= " timezone " **29;33456;TOOLONG ... **40;33487;TOOLONG answers with 24 . ... Qe8. </strong> He 's got about a half hour left on the clock compared to 47 minutes for Caruana . The <a href= " http : //analysis.sesse.net/ " >American ... advantage</a> , which had ballooned to +2.45 after 22. ... dxc5 and was a still-formidable +1.95 after 23 . ... Bd6 , is abruptly down to +0.09 following 24. h3 ? ! . <strong>What a difference a single move can make . </strong>Now it 's Caruana who looks nervous and Carlsen looking far more comfortable . It may be time for white to give up aspirations of winning today and play for a draw . </p><p lang= " en " dir= " ltr " >Funny how it 's again " one miss in one particular moment and that 's it , no more chances . " These guys are so good they give maximum 1 chance per game ( which are so complicated to take ) . Often less than that . Hence the draws . <a href= " https : **33;33529;TOOLONG ... <a href= " https : **33;33564;TOOLONG ... class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-19T17:33:45.425Z " >5.33pm <span class= " timezone " **29;33599;TOOLONG ... **40;33630;TOOLONG comes back with 23 . ... Bd6 , before Caruana responds with 24. h3 ? ! . </strong> Oh . Oh dear . He 's made an inaccuracy . Too slow , too defensive . It 's prompted gasps in the playing hall and criticism from all corners . Did Caruana just let a winning chance slip away ? ( American grandmaster Hiraku Nakamura 's reaction <a href= " https : **33;33672;TOOLONG ... it all</a>. ) </p><p lang= " en " dir= " ltr " >24. h3 ? ! from Caruana . Svidler : " I do n't know what that is ... " <a href= " https : //t.co/DiOsOleLSv " >https : //t.c ... <a href= " https : **33;33707;TOOLONG ... <a href= " https : //t.co/4S5e4LZJKH " >pic.twitter ... lang= " en " dir= " ltr " >24. h3 a bit wimpy . Is it the move of a future World Champion ? <a href= " https : **33;33742;TOOLONG ... <a href= " https : **33;33777;TOOLONG ... class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-19T17:23:33.996Z " >5.23pm <span class= " timezone " **29;33812;TOOLONG ... **36;33843;TOOLONG Caruana has played 21. c5 after 34 minutes . </strong> It 's a pawn sacrifice though not an immediate one . Carlsen , needing to speed up due to the mounting time crunch , quickly takes white 's bishop on f3 and Caruana takes the bishop with his queen ( 21 . ... Nxf3+ 22 . Qxf3 ) . Now Carlsen takes the pawn ( 22. ... dxc5 ) and Caruana responds with 23 . Rad1 . This is the critical moment of the game and match , perhaps as golden an opportunity as Caruana will get to stake a lead . The Norwegian supercomputer Sesse , running Stockfish , now giving the American a big advantage . But can Caruana find all the right moves ? </p><p lang= " en " dir= " ltr " >After 34 minutes of thinking , Fabiano Caruana nodded to himself and played the critical 21. c5 ! ? No knight pirouettes this time . He 's playing for keeps . <a href= " https : //t.co/j3ehDfVvlq " >pic.twitter ... class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-19T16:49:16.519Z " >4.49pm <span class= " timezone " **29;33881;TOOLONG ... **40;33912;TOOLONG indeed finds 20 . Bc3 , and Carlsen goes in the tank again before answering with 20 ... Bf5. </strong> He spent 20min 53sec on that response and is now almost 50 minutes behind on time . That gives him 34 minutes to makes his next 20 moves . The engines love 21. c5 for Caruana . If he can find it , the advantage will tip even further in the American 's favor . </p><p lang= " en " dir= " ltr " >After spending a lot of time , Carlsen played the suggested idea 20 ... Bf5 . The problem is now White can play 21 c5 right away . <a href= " https : //t.co/hXb8jMN7yY " >pic.twitter ... lang= " en " dir= " ltr " >Carlsen will have to conjure up an attack , before the time-trouble , otherwise , Caruana 's long term pressure is crushing ! <a href= " https : **33;33954;TOOLONG ... href= " https : **33;33989;TOOLONG ... lang= " en " dir= " ltr " >The blazer comes off . <a href= " https : //t.co/17IRTxFxKn " >pic.twitter ... class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-19T16:18:09.362Z " >4.18pm <span class= " timezone " **29;34024;TOOLONG ... **40;34055;TOOLONG responds with 19. ... f4. </strong> Caruana faces an important decision . The Norwegian supercomputer Sesse <a href= " http : //analysis.sesse.net/ " >already gives the American an advantage</a> and indicates he can push it with Bc3 . Can Fabi find it and turn the screw ? </p><p lang= " en " dir= " ltr " >This could turn ugly very fast for Magnus after 20 . Bc3 , preparing c4-c5. <a href= " https : **33;34097;TOOLONG ... class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-19T16:09:59.881Z " >4.09pm <span class= " timezone " **29;34132;TOOLONG ... **40;34163;TOOLONG plays 18. ... g5 and the fight is on ! </strong>A audacious , aggressive move , especially when he 's so far behind on time . But this is Game 8 and , not unlike the match against Karjakin two years ago in New York , Carlsen is going all in . The engines indicate Caruana needs to find 19. c4 and the American manages to find it in less than four minutes ! </p><p lang= " en " dir= " ltr " >18 ... g5 19. c4 The biggest problem here is this is not Carlsen 's style . Can he do it ? Yes . But that is not the strongest area of his game . But this plays right into Caruana 's wheel house . This is why home preparation does matter ! <a href= " https : //t.co/BY1fnEGBRn " >pic.twitter ... class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-19T16:04:59.177Z " >4.04pm <span class= " timezone " **29;34205;TOOLONG ... **40;34236;TOOLONG sequence of moves ending with a pawn exchange : 15 . Nc4 Ne5 16 . Nb6 Rb8 17. f4 exf3 18 . Bxf3. </strong> Caruana , moving with incredible pace , has more time than he started with thanks to the 30 seconds added to his clock with each move . And now Carlsen is in the tank . Five minutes . Ten minutes . Carlsen weighs his options , at times a bit more fidgety than we 're used to seeing him as Caruana takes a long break from the board . He knows just how crucial this move could prove given Caruana 's razor-sharp preparation . Carlsen already a half hour behind on the clock . And we wait ... </p><p lang= " en " dir= " ltr " >Magnus under pressure already after 18 . Bxf3 , more than a half hour behind on the clock . <a href= " https : //t.co/ZXAm3vjaj8 " >pic.twitter ... class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-19T15:40:51.988Z " >3.40pm <span class= " timezone " **29;34278;TOOLONG ... **40;34309;TOOLONG responds to Caruana 's 14 . Na3 with 14. ... e4. **29;34351;TOOLONG </strong>The champion is a bit out of his element with this opening : he 's spent about 24 minutes on his last four moves . Says Russian grandmaster Peter Svidler : " This is by far the liveliest opening position we 've had since Game 1 . " </p><p lang= " en " dir= " ltr " >Svidler : " There is every reason to be very , very happy about all this . This is by far the liveliest opening position we 've had since game 1 . " <a href= " https : **33;34382;TOOLONG ... <a href= " https : //t.co/K3OlBIgJVJ " >pic.twitter ... lang= " en " dir= " ltr " >14 ... e4 Both sides came to play today . To Carlsen 's credit , not many choose Sicilian as he main weapon in recent world championships . But Caruana is too sound with his opening preparation . So it will be interesting how this game will turn out . Stay positive ! <a href= " https : //t.co/I0dVdhaazD " >pic.twitter ... class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-19T15:32:23.071Z " >3.32pm <span class= " timezone " **29;34417;TOOLONG ... **40;34448;TOOLONG takes nine minutes before responding with 12. ... f5. </strong> Caruana quickly responds with 13. a5 and Carlsen takes another six minutes before coming back with 13. ... a6 . Some exciting potential here . </p><p lang= " en " dir= " ltr " >Thinking back , this is one of the few assymetrical positions Magnus has found himself in in a World Championship match . Excited for the fireworks ahead ! <a href= " https : **33;34490;TOOLONG ... class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-19T15:25:59.882Z " >3.25pm <span class= " timezone " **29;34525;TOOLONG ... **35;34556;TOOLONG have our first surprise with 12 . Bd2. </strong>This comes on the heels of 9. a4 ( where c4 is far more common ) , followed by 9 . ... Be7 10 . Be2 O-O 11 . O-O Nd7. </p><p lang= " en " dir= " ltr " >After Caruana 's 12 . Bd2 we 're in close to uncharted territory ... <a href= " https : **33;34593;TOOLONG ... <a href= " https : //t.co/iqLJcJmwan " >pic.twitter ... class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-19T15:17:15.880Z " >3.17pm <span class= " timezone " **29;34628;TOOLONG ... **40;34659;TOOLONG making a lot of moves very quickly . </strong> We 'll catch up when they pause for their first thing . Here 's what they 're looking at after : 5 . Nc3 e5 6 . Ndb5 d6 7 . Nd5 Nxd5 8. exd5 Nb8 9. a4. </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-19T15:09:08.782Z " >3.09pm <span class= " timezone " **29;34701;TOOLONG ... **36;34732;TOOLONG we 're off with 1 . e4 c5 2 . Nf3 Nc6 3. d4 cxd4 4 . Nxd4. </strong> For the fourth time we have the Sicilian and it 's not the Rossolimo . And with 4 . ... Nf6 5 . Nc3 e5 , we 're into the Sveshnikov variation . </p><p lang= " en " dir= " ltr " >The creator of DeepMind <a href= " https : **27;34770;TOOLONG ? refs ... @demishassabis</a> plays 1. e4 for <a href= " https : **28;34799;TOOLONG ? ref ... **25;34829;TOOLONG <br>Best by test ? <a href= " https : **33;34856;TOOLONG ... <a href= " https : //t.co/rV3TSK4DrP " >pic.twitter ... class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-19T14:19:35.807Z " >2.19pm <span class= " timezone " **29;34891;TOOLONG ... **38;34922;TOOLONG and welcome to London for today 's eighth game of the world chess championship between Norway 's Magnus Carlsen and Fabiano Caruana of the United States . </strong> Play resumes today after with the best-of-12-games match deadlocked at 3 ? -all following seven consecutive peaceful results . **36;34962;TOOLONG **45;35000;TOOLONG ... class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-19T02:57:57.664Z " >2.57am <span class= " timezone " **29;35047;TOOLONG ... **38;35078;TOOLONG will be here shortly . </strong> In the meantime <a href= " https : **33;35118;TOOLONG ... his report from Sunday 's seventh game</a> , which left a somewhat downtrodden Carlsen lamenting his missed opportunities to be more aggressive . </p><p> <span>Related : </span><a href= " https : **33;35153;TOOLONG ... Magnus Carlsen ' way too soft ' in Game 7 draw with Fabiano Caruana</a> </p> <a href= " https : **33;35188;TOOLONG ... reading ... </a>World Chess Championship 2018ChessFabiano CaruanaMagnus CarlsenUS sportsSportMon , 19 Nov 2018 20:14:54 GMThttp : **37;35223;TOOLONG ... Facundo **26;35262;TOOLONG : Facundo Arrizabalaga/EPABryan Armen **32;35290;TOOLONG Carlsen springs Game 8 escape thanks to Fabiano Caruana 's false stephttps : **35;35324;TOOLONG ... **25;35361;TOOLONG href= " https : **33;35388;TOOLONG ... saves draw as Caruana falters -- as it **45;35423;TOOLONG ... match knotted at 4-all after eight **42;35470;TOOLONG Carlsen admitted he was " happy to survive " after saving a draw in Monday 's eighth game of the world chess championship , which left the series deadlocked at 4-4 with four games remaining . </p><p> <span>Related : </span><a href= " https : **33;35514;TOOLONG ... Carlsen saves draw as Fabiano Caruana falters in Game 8 -- live ! </a> **36;35549;TOOLONG **45;35587;TOOLONG ... <a href= " https : **33;35634;TOOLONG ... reading ... </a>World Chess Championship 2018ChessFabiano CaruanaSportMagnus CarlsenUS sportsMon , 19 Nov 2018 19:40:49 GMThttp : **37;35669;TOOLONG ... Facundo **26;35708;TOOLONG : Facundo Arrizabalaga/EPABryan Armen **32;35736;TOOLONG Carlsen and Fabiano Caruana remain deadlocked after taut Game 7 -- as it happenedhttps : **31;35770;TOOLONG ... **25;35803;TOOLONG href= " https : **33;35830;TOOLONG ... and Caruana play to 40-move draw in seventh **45;35865;TOOLONG ... match knotted at 3 ? -all after seven **32;35912;TOOLONG class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-18T20:30:45.605Z " >8.30pm <span class= " timezone " **29;35946;TOOLONG ... **33;35977;TOOLONG " I could have played much more ambitiously , " Carlsen laments. </strong> The champion sounds a bit downtrodden and rueful after failing to capitalize on playing with the white pieces in back-to-back games . Instead , it 's been seven straight draws and a 3 ? -all deadlock just like in his world championship match with Sergey Karjakin two years ago in New York . Of course , Karjakin was able to break through and draw first blood in that eighth game before Carlsen forced a tie-breaker a few days later . Could a similar turn await on Monday ? </p><p>We 'll soon find out . Be sure to join us then for more minute-by-minute coverage . **29;36012;TOOLONG <span>Related : </span><a href= " https : **33;36043;TOOLONG ... Magnus Carlsen ' way too soft ' in Game 7 draw with Fabiano Caruana</a> </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-18T19:24:46.887Z " >7.24pm <span class= " timezone " **29;36078;TOOLONG ... **33;36109;TOOLONG " I knew that the move existed , I just did n't expect it , " Carlsen says of Caruana 's early surprise ( 10 . ... Qd8 ! ? ) . </strong> " It was n't too much of an unpleasant surprise since I felt like there should be many safe options for white . There must have been chances to play for something . But what I did was just way too soft . Then I had one chance to play actively but I did n't entirely believe in it . ... ( 15 . Nce4 ) instead of ( 15 . O-O ) . Castling is essentially just an admission that the position is equal . " </p><p>He adds : " I was also looking at ( 15. f4 ) which is interesting but probably nonsensical. " </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-18T18:56:11.269Z " >6.56pm <span class= " timezone " **29;36144;TOOLONG ... **33;36175;TOOLONG " After the last game it kind of felt like I got away with murder , " Carlsen says at the post-game press conference . </strong> " In that sense it 's easier to be calm about a draw today . I 'm not loving it , but I 'm not in any sort of panic mode either . Could have been worse . The match is still equal and with black , it 's been going OK . I 'm not at all thrilled about my play today . " </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-18T18:43:42.134Z " >6.43pm <span class= " timezone " **29;36210;TOOLONG ... **36;36241;TOOLONG we 've ended with a repetition : 37 . Ke3 Bf1 38 . Kf2 Ba6 39 . Ke3 Bf1 40 . Kf2. </strong>Carlsen tried , but it 's ultimately a peaceful result . " It was always a draw , " Caruana says . " And overall a solid draw without too many problems is always a good result . " </p><p>Says Carlsen , who sounds a bit downtrodden immediately after exiting the playing hall : " There were many , many options for white , it was not easy to choose . I think what I played was a little too slow and I ended up getting nothing . I was hoping to kind of outplay him in the ending with knight against bishop but I think there was nothing there . " </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-18T18:28:31.909Z " >6.28pm <span class= " timezone " **29;36279;TOOLONG ... **36;36310;TOOLONG a lot of progress after 32 . Nd6 Qxc3 33. bxc3 f6 34. f4 Kf8 35 . Kg1 Ke7 36 . Kf2 Kd7. </strong> Caruana should make it to time control from here . Winning chances for either player difficult to see . </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-18T18:12:19.265Z " >6.12pm <span class= " timezone " **29;36348;TOOLONG ... **37;36379;TOOLONG 7 is looking no less drawish after the last few moves : 29 . ... Qc7 30. e5 Qc5+ 31. **32;36418;TOOLONG f6. </strong>But as Caruana ponders his response , he 's just gone under eight minutes on the clock . He 'll need to make his next nine moves within that span in order to reach the time control . </p><p lang= " en " dir= " ltr " >31 ... Ba6 32 . Nd6 Qxc3 33. bxc3 f6 Still equal . The difference now is both sides need to be careful as both have pawn weaknesses . <a href= " https : //t.co/uhXKuuzqpk " >pic.twitter ... class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-18T17:52:22.342Z " >5.52pm <span class= " timezone " **29;36452;TOOLONG ... **40;36483;TOOLONG flurry of moves : 26 . Bd3 b6 27. f3 Bb7 28 . Bxg6 hxg6 29. e4. </strong>White takes black 's knight in exchange for a bishop , symmetrical pawn structure intact . This endgame is looking more and more like a draw . </p><p lang= " en " dir= " ltr " >Chances of a draw in game seven of <a href= " https : **33;36525;TOOLONG ... are now very high . This contest feels increasingly like the early Karpov-Kasparov matches . The players are closely matched and they rarely deviate from equality . What we 're missing is the undercurrent of political excitement . </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-18T17:40:11.693Z " >5.40pm <span class= " timezone " **29;36560;TOOLONG ... **37;36591;TOOLONG simplifications follow : 23 . Qd4 Nxc3 24 . Qxc3 Bxg3 25. hxg3 Qd7. </strong> We appear bound for another peaceful result , but Caruana still must tread carefully . </p><p lang= " en " dir= " ltr " >Svidler : " The only danger here is if Caruana thinks the game is over and they just need to make 5 more moves , and Carlsen thinks it 's only just starting - you could lose concentration " <a href= " https : //t.co/VXVuJFJoJe " >https : //t.c ... <a href= " https : **29;36630;TOOLONG ? src ... <a href= " https : **33;36661;TOOLONG ... <a href= " https : //t.co/yB0qpHOzEH " >pic.twitter ... class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-18T17:31:31.417Z " >5.31pm <span class= " timezone " **29;36696;TOOLONG ... **36;36727;TOOLONG it 's another rook exchange ( 21 . ... Rxd1+ 22 . Qxd1 Nd5 ) . </strong> Caruana clearly trying to simplify further over the last few moves . </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-18T17:22:36.939Z " >5.22pm <span class= " timezone " **29;36765;TOOLONG ... **40;36796;TOOLONG replies with 14 . ... Ne5. </strong> Carlsen then uses his bishop to chase away black 's knight to capture black 's c-pawn without an exchange ( 14 . ... Ne5 15 . O-O Bd7 16 . Bf4 Ng6 17 . Bg3 Bc6 18 . Nxc4 Bc7 ) . Now they bring their rooks into the mix with 19 . Rfd1 Rfd8 ... and they 're quickly exchanged with 20 . Rxd8+ Rxd8 . Pieces coming off the board quickly now and the simplification points us toward a draw , but we 've got a ways to go . Carlsen moves his other rook from the corner ( 21 . Rd1 ) and steps away from the board for a rest . </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-18T16:54:17.297Z " >4.54pm <span class= " timezone " **29;36838;TOOLONG ... **40;36869;TOOLONG decides on the crowd-pleasing 14 . Nd2 instead of the risk-eschewing , drawish Bxc4. </strong>The champion has spent nearly 50 minutes combined weighing his last four moves , yet Hungarian-born grandmaster D ? nes Boros believes he 's still in his prep . </p><p lang= " en " dir= " ltr " >I will say something surprising , I believe Carlsen is still in preparation ! Caruana is under some pressure . <a href= " https : **33;36911;TOOLONG ... href= " https : **33;36946;TOOLONG ... class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-18T16:40:13.179Z " >4.40pm <span class= " timezone " **29;36981;TOOLONG ... **35;37012;TOOLONG , we have n't fallen over asleep over here . </strong>It 's just been a lot of waiting as Caruana , pondering a potentially critical response to Carlsen 's 13 . Bg5 , spends nearly a half hour before deciding to take white 's c-pawn with 13. ... dxc4 . He 's under an hour on the clock now ( 57min 27sec ) , about 10 minutes behind Carlsen. </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-18T16:11:57.097Z " >4.11pm <span class= " timezone " **29;37049;TOOLONG ... **40;37080;TOOLONG responds with 12 . ... Qe7 after 12 minutes . </strong>He appears to be out of book , which plays to the champion 's favor . Carlsen takes roughly the same time to counter with 13 . Bg5 . The computer <a href= " http : //analysis.sesse.net/ " >does n't like that move</a> , tipping the advantage to black ( albeit marginally ) for the first time today . Russian chess grandmaster Alexander Grischuk does n't spare the rod : " So , we have another childish preparation by Magnus . " </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-18T15:47:53.530Z " >3.47pm <span class= " timezone " **29;37122;TOOLONG ... **40;37153;TOOLONG goes for simple development with 12 . Be2 after weighing his options for nearly 14 minutes . </strong> Grandmaster Susan Polgar calls the opening a big improvement for Carlsen compared to Game 6. </p><p lang= " en " dir= " ltr " >12 Be2 Another logical development to prepare 0-0 . This opening choice is much more suitable for Carlsen , a big improvement over game 6 . White is slightly better because of the backward Bishop on c8 . Now let 's see how he can take advantage of this . <a href= " https : //t.co/k7AfxBuZpQ " >pic.twitter ... class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-18T15:30:07.008Z " >3.30pm <span class= " timezone " **29;37195;TOOLONG ... **40;37226;TOOLONG opts for 11 . Nb3 after nearly 10 minutes . </strong>Caruana takes nearly six minutes to answer with 11 . ... Bb6 , another novelty , and the Norwegian is back in the tank . He 's been on the clock for more than 10 minutes , but the position is pleasant with no shortage of positive options . </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-18T15:20:05.953Z " >3.20pm <span class= " timezone " **29;37268;TOOLONG ... **40;37299;TOOLONG is first to deviate from the Game 2 line with 10 . Nd2. </strong>Caruana answers by moving his queen into retreat ( 10 . ... Qd8 ! ? ) , a rare and curious choice . Now Carlsen has the first long think of the day . He 's been examining the position for five minutes ( and counting ) . </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-18T15:09:23.243Z " >3.09pm <span class= " timezone " **29;37341;TOOLONG ... **40;37372;TOOLONG opens with 1 . d4. </strong> Caruana answers with 1 . ... Nf6 , same as Game 2 . In fact , the first nine moves are the exact same as the <a href= " https : **33;37414;TOOLONG ... game</a> : 1 . d4 Nf6 2 . Nf3 d5 3. c4 e6 4 . Nc3 Be7 5 . Bf4 O-O 6. e3 c5 7. dxc5 Bxc5 8 . Qc2 Nc6 9. a3 Qa5. </p><p lang= " en " dir= " ltr " >The handshake before the 7th game . **25;37449;TOOLONG : <a href= " https : //twitter.com/davidllada ? refsrc= ... @davidllada</a> <a href= " https : //t.co/lA2tfHJBE8 " >pic.twitter ... class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-18T14:42:57.898Z " >2.42pm <span class= " timezone " **29;37476;TOOLONG ... **38;37507;TOOLONG and welcome to London for today 's Game 7 of the world chess championship between Norway 's Magnus Carlsen and Fabiano Caruana of the United States . </strong> We 're back in action after <a href= " https : **33;37547;TOOLONG ... sixth draw in six games</a> left the best-of-12-games match deadlocked at 3-all. **39;37582;TOOLONG ... **45;37623;TOOLONG ... lang= " en " dir= " ltr " >Magnus does n't like what he sees after 60 . ... Bd8. <a href= " https : //t.co/mHaSPMVTOx " >pic.twitter ... class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-18T13:43:36.483Z " >1.43pm <span class= " timezone " **29;37670;TOOLONG ... **38;37701;TOOLONG will be here shortly . </strong> In the meantime <a href= " https : **33;37741;TOOLONG ... his report</a> from Friday 's thrilling Game 6. </p><p> <span>Related : </span><a href= " https : **33;37776;TOOLONG ... Carlsen narrowly avoids Fabiano Caruana stunner in Game 6 epic</a> </p> <a href= " https : **33;37811;TOOLONG ... reading ... </a>World Chess Championship 2018ChessFabiano CaruanaSportUS sportsMagnus CarlsenSun , 18 Nov 2018 20:30:45 GMThttp : **37;37846;TOOLONG ... FidePhotograph : FideBryan Armen **32;37885;TOOLONG Magnus Carlsen ' way too soft ' in Game 7 draw with Fabiano Caruanahttps : **32;37919;TOOLONG ... **25;37953;TOOLONG href= " https : **33;37980;TOOLONG ... and Caruana play to 40-move draw -- as it **45;38015;TOOLONG ... laments : ' I could have played much more ambitiously ' **33;38062;TOOLONG ... match knotted at 3 ? -all after seven **37;38097;TOOLONG rueful Magnus Carlsen lamented his gun-shy , conservative play after <a href= " https : **33;38136;TOOLONG ... draw in the seventh game</a> of his world championship title defense against Fabiano Caruana in London , which left the best-of-12-games match in 3 ? -all deadlock . </p><p> <span>Related : </span><a href= " https : **33;38171;TOOLONG ... Carlsen and Fabiano Caruana remain deadlocked after taut Game 7 -- live ! </a> **36;38206;TOOLONG **45;38244;TOOLONG ... <a href= " https : **33;38291;TOOLONG ... reading ... </a>World Chess Championship 2018ChessFabiano CaruanaUS sportsMagnus CarlsenSportSun , 18 Nov 2018 20:11:05 GMThttp : **37;38326;TOOLONG ... Ray **31;38365;TOOLONG : Ray **26;38398;TOOLONG Armen **32;38426;TOOLONG Carlsen barely saves draw as Fabiano Caruana misses win in Game 6 thriller -- as it happenedhttps : **31;38460;TOOLONG ... **25;38493;TOOLONG href= " https : **33;38520;TOOLONG ... saves draw after 80 moves and six and a half **41;38555;TOOLONG href= " https : **33;38598;TOOLONG ... Barden on Chess : title match remains tightly **45;38633;TOOLONG ... match deadlocked at 3-all after six **32;38680;TOOLONG class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-16T22:45:18.710Z " >10.45p ... <span class= " timezone " **29;38714;TOOLONG ... **33;38745;TOOLONG " I was just way too casual , " says Carlsen when asked to explain Friday 's near-upset. </strong>Yet there was nothing nonchalant about the Norwegian 's dogged fightback to <a href= " https : **33;38780;TOOLONG ... a draw</a> in a game that could have , at least temporarily , cost him the world No 1 ranking that he 'd held for more than seven years uninterrupted . </p><p>The champion , who famously claimed he does n't believe in fortresses during his world title defense against Sergey Karjakin two years ago in New York , took refuge in a defensive structure and moved with precision and ingenuity throughout the tense endgame , even as the Stockfish evaluation engine found a forced mate in 30 moves for black after 67 . Kg6. **36;38815;TOOLONG **45;38853;TOOLONG ... <span>Related : </span><a href= " https : **33;38900;TOOLONG ... Carlsen narrowly avoids Fabiano Caruana stunner in Game 6 epic</a> </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-16T21:33:32.895Z " >9.33pm <span class= " timezone " **29;38935;TOOLONG ... </p><p>One final sequence ( 75 . Bb3 Kd6 76 . Bc2 Ke5 77 . Bd3 Kf4 78 . Bc2 Ng4 79 . Bb3 Ne3 80. h6 Bxh6 ) and the players agree to a draw after 80 moves and six and a half hours . Caruana misses a complex win with a false step in the final reel ( 68 . ... Bh4 ! ! ) ! </p><p>What a save by the Norwegian champion . The world title match is deadlocked at 3-all at the halfway point . </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-16T21:24:35.116Z " >9.24pm <span class= " timezone " **29;38966;TOOLONG ... **40;38997;TOOLONG keeps probing with 67 . ... Bg5 and Carlsen answers with 68 . Bc4. </strong> And after Caruana 's 68 . ... Nf3 the engine says the position is no longer winning . Simply breathtaking defense by the world No 1 and reigning champion . On they go : 69 . Kh7 Ne5 70 . Bb3 Ng4 71 . Bc4 Ne3 72 . Bd3 Ng4 73 . Bc4 Nh6 74 . Kg6 Ke7. </p><p>Both players are under 14 minutes on their clocks and , crucially , there are no time controls ahead , although the players do receive a 30-second increment with each move . Here 's what we 're looking at . </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-16T21:13:22.183Z " >9.13pm <span class= " timezone " **29;39039;TOOLONG ... **36;39070;TOOLONG Stockfish evaluation engine has <a href= " http : //analysis.sesse.net/ " >found a mate for black</a> after 66 . Bd5 Nd4 67 . Kg6. </strong> Incredible . Can the American find it ? We 're on the edge of our seats . </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-16T21:08:44.313Z " >9.08pm <span class= " timezone " **29;39108;TOOLONG ... **38;39139;TOOLONG into the seventh hour and Caruana has a winning plan . </strong> He 's closing in on a seismic upset to draw first blood in this world championship match . Remember : a victory would propel him to No 1 in the live world ratings , knocking Carlsen from the position he 's held since July 2011 . But the Norwegian champion is not going down without a fight . He 's been incredibly precise in defense over the last several moves ( 61 . Kh7 Nf7 62 . Bc4 Ne5 63 . Bd5 Ba5 64. h5 Bd2 65 . Ba2 Nf3 ) , a simply masterful effort in trying to hold . </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-16T20:57:31.678Z " >8.57pm <span class= " timezone " **29;39179;TOOLONG ... **40;39210;TOOLONG is offering up a pawn to penetrate after ( 57 . Bd3 Nd6 58. a5 ) . </strong>Stockfish says Caruana 's advantage will grow further if he accepts it with 58 . ... Bxa5 . And that 's exactly what he does . They promptly exchange pawns ( 59. gxf6 gxf6 ) . Carlsen with around 10 minutes on the clock , Caruana with 12 . Both , however , will be given another 15 minutes after their next move under the <a href= " https : **33;39252;TOOLONG ... regulations</a> . The champion decides on 60 . Kg6 before stepping away from the table . Caruana answers with 60 . ... Bd8 . Carlsen in serious trouble and by the look on his face he knows it . </p><p lang= " en " dir= " ltr " >Magnus does n't like what he sees after 60 . ... Bd8. <a href= " https : //t.co/mHaSPMVTOx " >pic.twitter ... class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-16T20:30:08.413Z " >8.30pm <span class= " timezone " **29;39287;TOOLONG ... **37;39318;TOOLONG to overstate how devastating it would be for Carlsen to lose as white . </strong> Caruana clearly going for the win after 53 . ... Nc5 54. a4 f6 55 . Kg4 Ne4 56 . Kh5 Be1 . Fide master Mike Klein <a href= " https : **33;39357;TOOLONG ... a Caruana triumph would be the first win by an American in an undisputed world championship match in 16,878 days . </p><p lang= " nl " dir= " ltr " >Dangerous waters . <a href= " https : //t.co/m2jz3JRe7M " >pic.twitter ... class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-16T20:11:16.866Z " >8.11pm <span class= " timezone " **29;39392;TOOLONG ... **38;39423;TOOLONG into the sixth hour of this epic match . </strong>Caruana moves his bishop ( 52 . ... Na4 ) and Carlsen replies in kind ( 53 . Bb5 ) . That tips the advantage even further in the American challenger 's favor <a href= " http : //analysis.sesse.net/ " >accordin ... to the computer</a>. <a href= " https : **33;39463;TOOLONG ... grandmaster Susan Polgar</a> : " Not an easy endgame to win , and also not an easy endgame to hold . But these are the two best players in the world and here is their chance to prove it . " </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-16T20:03:29.422Z " >8.03pm <span class= " timezone " **29;39498;TOOLONG ... **42;39529;TOOLONG inspired sequence achieved his aim of simplification . </strong> But the Stockfish evaluation engine assesses the advantage to Caruana ... and it 's only mounted after 48 . ... Ba3 49 . Bc4 Kf8 50. g5 Nc3 51. b4 Bxb4 52 . Kf3 to the biggest margin of the day so far . Says Australian grandmaster <a href= " https : **33;39573;TOOLONG ... Rogers on Norwegian TV</a> : " Magnus is definitely in trouble " . </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-16T19:51:02.837Z " >7.51pm <span class= " timezone " **29;39608;TOOLONG ... **34;39639;TOOLONG stroke of brilliance by the world champion just now . </strong>In five moves over a 40-second span on his clock , Carlsen sacrificed a piece in exchange for three pawns with the goal of simplifying the position toward a draw . The outcome still leans toward black but the world No 1 is grinding . The moves : 43 . ... Nd2 44 . Bxd5 Bxe3 45 . Bxc6 Bxf4 46 . Bxb7 Bd6 47 . Bxa6 Ne4 48. g4 . Good lord . </p><p lang= " en " dir= " ltr " >Magnus has given up a piece for 3 pawns ! <br>Svidler : " It feels like more of a draw than a win , but Black has a risk-free advantage " <a href= " https : //t.co/cic3XjXuwS " >https : //t.c ... <a href= " https : **29;39675;TOOLONG ? src ... <a href= " https : **33;39706;TOOLONG ... <a href= " https : //t.co/loSwrQHX9K " >pic.twitter ... class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-16T19:42:37.945Z " >7.42pm <span class= " timezone " **29;39741;TOOLONG ... **34;39772;TOOLONG slower pace , predictably , since the time control . </strong>Each player spends roughly eight minutes in navigating their bishops ( 42 . Bf4 Bc5 ) before Carlsen offers a trade ( 43 . Bf3 ) which surely Caruana wo n't accept . David Hill , who 's covering the match for the Ringer , keeps it 100. </p><p lang= " en " dir= " ltr " >Lots of woodpushers on twitter and twitch are complaining about draws , but this game is fascinating and I think we 're about to see some brilliant chess in the next handful of moves . The result of the game has nothing to do with the challenge the players had . <a href= " https : **33;39808;TOOLONG ... class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-16T19:10:16.811Z " >7.10pm <span class= " timezone " **29;39843;TOOLONG ... **40;39874;TOOLONG with a golden opportunity to take this three-week psychodrama by the scruff of the neck as Game 6 enters the fifth hour . </strong>He might not have a better one . Black still better after 41 . Kg2 Bxd4 according to the computer . The reigning champion from Norway is feeling the heat like no other moment so far . </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-16T19:01:03.936Z " >7.01pm <span class= " timezone " **29;39916;TOOLONG ... **40;39947;TOOLONG makes the crucial move to reach time control ( and an added 50 minutes on the clock ) with 40 . Bxh5. </strong> Now it 's on Caruana , who 's under three minutes ... under two minutes ... under one minute ( ! ) before deciding on 40 . ... Ne4+ . Leaving things late is Fabi . The players can both breathe a sigh of relief . Less so for Carlsen , who is still facing a positional disadvantage according to the computer . </p><p lang= " en " dir= " ltr " >Both players have made the time control with Black slightly better , though Grischuk notes that if Black 's initiative dies away White can also be better long-term : <a href= " https : //t.co/cic3XjXuwS " >https : //t.c ... <a href= " https : **29;39989;TOOLONG ? src ... <a href= " https : **33;40020;TOOLONG ... <a href= " https : //t.co/9UZhLgeiQC " >pic.twitter ... class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-16T18:53:53.613Z " >6.53pm <span class= " timezone " **29;40055;TOOLONG ... **34;40086;TOOLONG winning position for black and a critical moment in this championship match ! </strong> The American has <a href= " https : **33;40122;TOOLONG ... the champion</a> from a neutral position for the first time in six games . And what a time for it . Caruana playing for the win after 37 . ... Bd7 38. f5 Bc6 39 . Bd1 . He ponders his crucial 39th move for more than seven minutes before opting for 39 . ... Bb2. </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-16T18:37:15.903Z " >6.37pm <span class= " timezone " **29;40157;TOOLONG ... **40;40188;TOOLONG finally plays 36 . Bb8 after 14min 45sec that felt like an hour given the mounting tension in the playing hall . </strong>Caruana comes back quickly with 36. ... a6 and the champion answers with 37. f4 after a three-minute think . Carlsen under 12 minutes , Caruana under 15 . A critical moment for the champion to hold this until the time control . We might not have predicted it a few hours ago but this has become the best game of the match since Friday 's opener . </p><p lang= " en " dir= " ltr " >36 Bb8 a6 37. f4 Carlsen took a lot of time for the last few moves . He knows that this is a critical moment for him as there is danger lurking around with the a2 and d4 pawn . <a href= " https : //t.co/dzQujpT7pl " >pic.twitter ... class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-16T18:27:58.990Z " >6.27pm <span class= " timezone " **29;40230;TOOLONG ... **40;40261;TOOLONG is in the tank on move 36. </strong> Since the 35 . Bc2 Ba3 exchange , the Norwegian champion has spent 14 minutes ( so far ) pondering his response . Carlsen now behind Caruana ( 17min 25sec ) . Remember : they are both given an additional 50 minutes after the 40th move . But there are five critical moves between now and then , any of which could make or break the affair . **25;40303;TOOLONG class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-16T18:11:34.152Z " >6.11pm <span class= " timezone " **29;40330;TOOLONG ... **36;40361;TOOLONG next few moves ( 33 . Rxc8+ Bxc8 34 . Ne3 ) do nothing to compromise Caruana 's comfortable position . </strong> Surely the American could privately claim a meta victory if he 's able to draw the first leg of these back-to-back games as black without much exertion . Carlsen <a href= " https : **33;40399;TOOLONG ... entirely out of the woods yet</a> but the <a href= " http : //analysis.sesse.net/ " >computer has it nearly dead even</a> after Caruana had tipped the balance during the 29 . Bd1 Nc4 30. b3 Na3 31 . Rxc8 Rxc8 32 . Rc1 Nb5 sequence . </p><p lang= " en " dir= " ltr " >This looks like a wasted white game for Carlsen . Draw is likely , but pretty sure he will be very disappointed afterwards . He had nothing . <a href= " https : **33;40434;TOOLONG ... <a href= " https : **30;40469;TOOLONG ? sr ... <a href= " https : **29;40501;TOOLONG ? src ... <a href= " https : //t.co/nZupaoSZeY " >pic.twitter ... class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-16T18:00:13.105Z " >6.00pm <span class= " timezone " **29;40532;TOOLONG ... **36;40563;TOOLONG position is looking drawish ( quelle surprise ) after 27 . Bf4 Na528 . Rdc1 Bb4 29 . Bd1 Nc4 30. b3 Na3 **31;40601;TOOLONG . Rxc8 Rxc8 32 . Rc1 **32;40634;TOOLONG </strong>If anything , it 's begun to tip slightly in black 's favor over the last few moves in both the eyes of the <a href= " http : //analysis.sesse.net/ " >computer ... and the <a href= " https : **33;40668;TOOLONG ... but some much-needed simplification for Carlsen with the rook trade . Caruana , down to 23 minutes , not facing the time management crisis that nearly undid him in Friday 's Game 1 , nor is he rushing , but the clock is becoming a bigger factor with eight moves until the time control . </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-16T17:23:29.054Z " >5.23pm <span class= " timezone " **29;40703;TOOLONG ... **40;40734;TOOLONG back-and-forth exchange including a pawn trade : 24 . Ng2 cxd4 25. cxd4 Rac8 26 . Bb3 Nc6. </strong> <a href= " https : **33;40776;TOOLONG ... for black</a> , perhaps ? Carlsen now has a long think . He 's been on the clock for eight minutes and counting . While we wait , here 's the inestimable Leonard Barden 's latest chess column , hot off the presses . </p><p> <span>Related : </span><a href= " https : **33;40811;TOOLONG ... Magnus Carlsen v Fabiano Caruana match remains tightly poised</a> </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-16T17:04:46.246Z " >5.04pm <span class= " timezone " **29;40846;TOOLONG ... **36;40877;TOOLONG Norwegian supercomputer Sesse , running Stockfish , assesses the position as dead even after Carlsen 's 21. g3. </strong> The match enters its third hour . A few more moves : 21. g3 c5 22 . Bc2 O-O 23 . Rd1 Rfd8. <a href= " https : **33;40915;TOOLONG ... grandmaster Susan Polgar</a> : " This type of position is very difficult for many players , especially club players . When to break , when to exchange pawns , and to shift the dynamic of the position to favor you . I have news for you . It is hard for the grandmasters too ! " </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-16T16:53:37.403Z " >4.53pm <span class= " timezone " **29;40950;TOOLONG ... **34;40981;TOOLONG few more moves trickle out : 18. ... h5 19. h4 Nc8 20 . Ne3 Ne7 21. g3. </strong>Quiet position , this . And now Caruana has gone in the tank . Eight minutes , 10 minutes , 12 minutes . He finally plays 21. ... c5 after 13min 51sec , having fallen more than a half hour behind Carlsen on the clock . This should create a more dynamic position . We hope . </p><p lang= " en " dir= " ltr " >Caruana plays 19 ... c5 ! ? and it 's getting interesting ! <a href= " https : **33;41017;TOOLONG ... <a href= " https : //t.co/ZsGoHEHwwc " >pic.twitter ... class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-16T16:16:59.393Z " >4.16pm <span class= " timezone " **29;41052;TOOLONG ... **36;41083;TOOLONG pace has slowed considerably after the crisp opening act . </strong> Caruana has settled into a comfortably solid position following Carlsen 's promising start . The Norwegian thinks for five minutes before continuing with 18 . Kf2 , but now the American is on 10 minutes and counting . Symmetrical position with no apparent weaknesses anywhere on either side . </p><p lang= " en " dir= " ltr " >It seems only apt that , in the year we mark 100 years since WW1 , the world chess championship should consist of a remorseless grind of trench warfare , where weeks of battle result in neither player gaining or losing an inch of ground . <a href= " https : **33;41121;TOOLONG ... class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-16T16:01:03.084Z " >4.01pm <span class= " timezone " **29;41156;TOOLONG ... **35;41187;TOOLONG took 15 moves before anything on either side involving the bishop ( 15 . Bd3 ) . </strong> Carlsen counters with 15. ... d5 and Carlsen comes back with 16 . Nc2 . Looking drawish entering the middlegame . One American grandmaster ( and recent <a href= " http : **34;41224;TOOLONG ... Show guest</a> ) is sure of it . </p><p lang= " en " dir= " ltr " >Maurice Ashley says he 'll bet $1,000 right now even money that this game ends in a draw . Anyone want to fade him ? <a href= " https : **27;41260;TOOLONG ? refs ... @MauriceAshley</a> <a href= " https : **33;41289;TOOLONG ... class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-16T15:53:26.977Z " >3.53pm <span class= " timezone " **29;41324;TOOLONG ... **40;41355;TOOLONG responds with 14 . ... Nb6 and Carlsen has a long think . </strong>He 's been on the clock for 12 minutes and counting . Here 's a look at the board . </p><p lang= " en " dir= " ltr " >This expression from <a href= " https : **27;41397;TOOLONG ? refs ... @MagnusCarlsen</a> looks familiar ... <a href= " https : **33;41426;TOOLONG ... <a href= " https : //t.co/VcAsjPG7OQ " >pic.twitter ... class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-16T15:42:04.452Z " >3.42pm <span class= " timezone " **29;41461;TOOLONG ... **34;41492;TOOLONG few more moves as both guys play with pace early : 10 . Na3 Ne6 11. f3 N4c5 12. d4 Nd7 13. c3 c6 14 . Nf4. </strong>Carlsen , thanks to the 30-second increment for each move , has more time than he started with , yet the significant advantage the <a href= " http : //analysis.sesse.net/ " >supercom ... gave the Norwegian champion when he initiated the queen trade ( 8 . Nxe7 ) appears to be gone now . That Carlsen is playing directly to Caruana 's strength during the first leg of his double white is a fascinating psychological salvo. <a href= " https : **33;41528;TOOLONG ... Carlsen 's father Henrik</a> on Norwegian TV : " Magnus feels that Caruana is playing in a way that makes him comfortable . He is in no hurry to score yet . " </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-16T15:26:41.837Z " >3.26pm <span class= " timezone " **29;41563;TOOLONG ... **40;41594;TOOLONG of the first 20 moves have involved the knights after 8 . Nxe7 Nxe2 9 . Nd5 Nd4 10 . Na3 Ne6. </strong> What a time to be alive . " This is one of the more peculiar openings I 've seen in a while ! " Russian chess grandmaster Peter Svidler grandmaster says . </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-16T15:19:38.252Z " >3.19pm <span class= " timezone " **29;41636;TOOLONG ... **36;41667;TOOLONG opening continues : 3 . Nxe5 d6 4 . Nd3 Nxe4. </strong> Another major surprise as Carlsen bursts into the Petroff ( 4 . Nd3 ! ? ) . Queens are out immediately after ( 5 . Qe2 Qe7 ) but the fireworks are only beginning : after only eight moves the queens are off the board ( 6 . Nf4 Nc6 7 . Nd5 Nd4 8 . Nxe7 Nxe2 ) ! </p><p lang= " en " dir= " ltr " >After <a href= " https : **27;41705;TOOLONG ? refs ... **26;41734;TOOLONG 4 . Nd3 ! ? it looked like <a href= " https : **28;41762;TOOLONG ? ref ... **25;41792;TOOLONG was trying to recall his preparation . <a href= " https : //t.co/YB9aq2VCgh " >pic.twitter ... lang= " en " dir= " ltr " >4 . Nd3 this is rare move and a new fashion in search for something different against the super solid Petrov . Just a couple month ago Fabiano faced it against So . I have the full game here <a href= " https : //t.co/YaB79vpvUq " >https : //t.c ... <a href= " https : //t.co/1lu6XLf9hi " >pic.twitter ... class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-16T15:09:52.807Z " >3.09pm <span class= " timezone " **29;41819;TOOLONG ... **38;41850;TOOLONG off and running in Game 6 ( after the <a href= " https : **33;41890;TOOLONG ... first move by Kay Burley</a> ) and we have our first <a href= " https : **33;41925;TOOLONG ... 1 . e4 e5 2 . Nf3 Nf6. </strong> This is Caruana 's best known prep and one of the subjects of what was revealed in the apparent intel leak . It plays right to the heart of the challenger 's strength and is his opening of choice . Here we go . </p><p lang= " en " dir= " ltr " >At game six . A " sharp " Petroff. <a href= " https : //t.co/L0ICesrBYb " >pic.twitter ... class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-16T14:58:50.506Z " >2.58pm <span class= " timezone " **29;41960;TOOLONG ... **37;41991;TOOLONG day and welcome to London for today 's Game 6 of the world chess championship between Norway 's Magnus Carlsen and Fabiano Caruana of the United States . </strong> We 're back in action after <a href= " https : **33;42030;TOOLONG ... fifth draw in as many games</a> where the best-of-12-games match remained deadlocked at 2 ? -all. </p><p>Game 1 was the best of the lot so far : a grueling seven-hour , 115-move draw , where Carlsen nearly become the first defending champion to win the opening game of a world title match with the black pieces in 37 years . The next four -- Saturday 's <a href= " https : **33;42065;TOOLONG ... 2</a> , Monday 's <a href= " https : **33;42100;TOOLONG ... 3</a> and Tuesday 's <a href= " https : **33;42135;TOOLONG ... 4</a> and yesterday 's <a href= " https : **33;42170;TOOLONG ... 5</a> -- have been mostly safer , conservative affairs . But the threat of first blood continues to loom over the proceedings . **33;42205;TOOLONG ... **45;42240;TOOLONG ... general thinking was that Caruana faced extra pressure on Thursday as white . That 's because Carlsen , who won the draw and elected to play Game 1 as black , will get to play back-to-back contests on Friday and Sunday as white under the regulations , which dictate the rotation of the colors is reversed at the midpoint of the match . </p><p> " Of course double black is coming up and this is a quite a serious challenge , but this was always going to happen , " Caruana said . " And whether I win or draw Thursday 's game , this was still going to happen . So I was n't approaching this game differently than any other . " </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-15T23:36:57.536Z " >11.36p ... <span class= " timezone " **29;42287;TOOLONG ... **38;42318;TOOLONG will be here shortly . </strong> In the meantime <a href= " https : **33;42358;TOOLONG ... his report of yesterday 's Game 5</a> , where Carlsen weathered an early surprise by the challenger before the sides played to a 34-move draw . </p><p> <span>Related : </span><a href= " https : **33;42393;TOOLONG ... Carlsen thwarts Game 5 ambush in draw with Fabiano Caruana</a> </p><p> Magnus Carlsen and Fabiano Caruana played to a fifth draw in as many games on Thursday in the latest episode of their world championship showdown in London , as the Norwegian champion adroitly weathered early fireworks to negotiate a peaceful result after 34 moves and three-and-a-quarter hours . **26;42428;TOOLONG , playing with the white pieces , led with a Rossolimo ( 1 . e4 c5 2 . Nf3 Nc6 3 . Bb5 g6 ) , marking the third time in a week the players opened with the Sicilian variation . The American was first to deviate with 4 . O-O , then prompted gasps with 6. b4 ! ? , a highly aggressive move offering a pawn sacrifice with the hope of creating pressure and confusion and , ideally , winning chances in the long term . </p> <a href= " https : **33;42456;TOOLONG ... reading ... </a>World Chess Championship 2018Magnus CarlsenFabiano CaruanaChessSportUS sportsFri , 16 Nov 2018 22:45:18 GMThttp : **37;42491;TOOLONG ... Facundo **26;42530;TOOLONG : Facundo Arrizabalaga/EPABryan Armen **32;42558;TOOLONG Carlsen narrowly avoids Fabiano Caruana stunner in Game 6 epichttps : **35;42592;TOOLONG ... **25;42629;TOOLONG href= " https : **33;42656;TOOLONG ... stages bold escape in Game 6 thriller -- as it **45;42691;TOOLONG ... match deadlocked at 3-all after six **42;42738;TOOLONG Carlsen narrowly avoided a devastating upset on Friday in the sixth game of his world championship match with Fabiano Caruana in London , scratching back from the brink to save a miraculous draw after 80 moves . </p><p> <span>Related : </span><a href= " https : **33;42782;TOOLONG ... Carlsen barely saves draw as Fabiano Caruana misses win in Game 6 epic -- &nbsp ; live ! </a> **36;42817;TOOLONG **45;42855;TOOLONG ... <span>Related : </span><a href= " https : **33;42902;TOOLONG ... Magnus Carlsen v Fabiano Caruana match remains tightly poised</a> </p><p lang= " en " dir= " ltr " >Magnus does n't like what he sees after 60 . ... Bd8. <a href= " https : //t.co/mHaSPMVTOx " >pic.twitter ... <a href= " https : **33;42937;TOOLONG ... reading ... </a>World Chess Championship 2018ChessFabiano CaruanaMagnus CarlsenSportUS sportsFri , 16 Nov 2018 22:24:28 GMThttp : **37;42972;TOOLONG ... Facundo **26;43011;TOOLONG : Facundo Arrizabalaga/EPABryan Armen **26;43039;TOOLONG

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World Chess to issue digital tokens in stock market flotationhttps : **30;10457;TOOLONG ... <p>Company that ran World Chess Championships wants to cash in on game 's online **32;10489;TOOLONG company that ran the World Chess Championships plans to issue a cryptocurrency-like digital token ahead of a stock market float in London as it tries to cash in the growing popularity of the game online . </p><p>World Chess on Thursday said it aims to carry out an unusual " hybrid initial public offering " in 2020 , issuing digital tokens followed by floating shares on London 's Alternative Investment Market . </p><p> <span>Related : </span><a href= " https : **33;10523;TOOLONG ... will be king ? Three-way battle for control rocks international chess</a> </p> <a href= " https : **33;10558;TOOLONG ... reading ... **25;10593;TOOLONG Chess Championship 2018IPOsStock marketsBusinessMagnus CarlsenLive gamingAlternative investmentsThu , 21 Nov 2019 19:47:37 GMThttp : **37;10620;TOOLONG ... Facundo **26;10659;TOOLONG : Facundo Arrizabalaga/EPAJasper **31;10687;TOOLONG Carlsen 's tense victory sends interest in chess soaringhttps : **32;10720;TOOLONG ... <p>Intensity of championship and ease of watching the game online is bringing it to a wider **30;10754;TOOLONG since the <a href= " https : **33;10786;TOOLONG ... </a><a href= " https : **33;10821;TOOLONG ... </a><a href= " https : **33;10856;TOOLONG ... showdown</a> between the US grandmaster Bobby Fischer and his Russian rival Boris Spassky has chess been so high profile . </p><p><a href= " https : **33;10891;TOOLONG ... week 's </a><a href= " https : **33;10926;TOOLONG ... tie-break</a> , which saw the world No 1 , 27-year-old <a href= " https : **33;10961;TOOLONG ... Carlsen</a> from Norway , beat the US challenger , <a href= " https : **33;10996;TOOLONG ... Caruana</a> , 26 , has sent both heart rates and interest in the game soaring , according to aficionados. </p><p> <span>Related : </span><a href= " https : **33;11031;TOOLONG ... defeats Caruana to retain World Chess Championship in tie-breakers -- as it happened</a> </p><p> <span>Related : </span><a href= " https : **33;11066;TOOLONG ... Carlsen : ' If I had lost , it could have been my last world championship match ' </a> </p><p> <span>Related : </span><a href= " https : **33;11101;TOOLONG ... Guardian view on the World Chess Championship : not just a popularity contest Editorial</a> </p> <a href= " https : **33;11136;TOOLONG ... reading ... </a>ChessMagnus CarlsenFabiano CaruanaUK newsSportWorld Chess Championship 2018US sportsNorwayUS newsSat , 01 Dec 2018 07:00:16 GMThttp : **37;11171;TOOLONG ... Frank Augstein/APPhotograph : Frank Augstein/APCaroline **31;11210;TOOLONG : Magnus Carlsen set fair for a further reign as world championhttps : **31;11243;TOOLONG ... <p>The Norwegian saw off the threat of Fabiano Caruana and looks stronger than any potential 2020 **36;11276;TOOLONG Carlsen retaining the crown on tie-break was always one of the likely ways for the world championship to end , but it was the 12 straight draws with Fabiano Caruana in the classical games which provoked anguish from some chess fans . </p><p>It would have been different if Carlsen had taken his chances <a href= " https : **33;11314;TOOLONG ... title= " " >in game one</a> , and/or Caruana <a href= " https : **33;11349;TOOLONG ... title= " " >in game eight</a> . These were winning positions which world title contenders would normally convert , so why did n't they ? </p><p> <span>Related : </span><a href= " https : **33;11384;TOOLONG ... Carlsen : ' If I had lost , it could have been my last world championship match ' </a> </p><p> <span>Related : </span><a href= " https : **33;11419;TOOLONG ... Guardian view on the World Chess Championship : not just a popularity contest Editorial</a> **39;11454;TOOLONG rapid **44;11495;TOOLONG &; ... <a href= " https : **33;11541;TOOLONG ... reading ... </a>World Chess Championship 2018Magnus CarlsenFabiano CaruanaChessUS sportsSportFri , 30 Nov 2018 16:39:32 GMThttp : **37;11576;TOOLONG ... Tolga Akmen/AFP/Getty ImagesPhotograph : Tolga Akmen/AFP/Getty ImagesLeonard **32;11615;TOOLONG Carlsen beats Caruana in tie-breakers to retain World Chess crownhttps : **34;11649;TOOLONG ... **28;11685;TOOLONG finally broken after nearly three **35;11715;TOOLONG seals third successful defence of title **34;11752;TOOLONG 20 days the world 's two best grandmasters sat in a soundproof studio in central London , with only a chessboard , their thoughts , and each other for company . But finally , after 15 games , 773 moves and 51 hours of simmering tension , the Norwegian world champion Magnus Carlsen held his nerve , and his crown , with an <a href= " https : **33;11788;TOOLONG ... rapid-play victory over the US challenger Fabiano Caruana</a>. </p><p>Some had wondered whether Carlsen , the world 's No1 ranked player for the past eight years and the <a href= " https : **33;11823;TOOLONG ... champion since 2013</a> , had lost his mojo because of his diffidence during the classical matches , which were all drawn . Yet over the shorter four-game rapid-play format -- where players have just 25 minutes for all their moves , along with a 10-second increment -- he was a different animal , crushing his opponent 3-0. </p><p> <span>Related : </span><a href= " https : **33;11858;TOOLONG ... defeats Caruana to retain World Chess Championship in tie-breakers -- live ! </a> </p> <a href= " https : **33;11893;TOOLONG ... reading ... </a>World Chess Championship 2018ChessMagnus CarlsenFabiano CaruanaSportUS sportsWed , 28 Nov 2018 20:57:43 GMThttp : **37;11928;TOOLONG ... Frank Augstein/APPhotograph : Frank Augstein/APSean **32;11967;TOOLONG defeats Caruana to retain World Chess Championship in tie-breakers -- as it happenedhttps : **31;12001;TOOLONG ... **25;12034;TOOLONG href= " https : **33;12061;TOOLONG ... retains world title after winning first three rapid **43;12096;TOOLONG says he looks forward to making another bid for **42;12141;TOOLONG class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-28T19:31:32.401Z " >7.31pm <span class= " timezone " **29;12185;TOOLONG ... **39;12216;TOOLONG all for today . </strong> Be sure to check out <a href= " https : **33;12257;TOOLONG ... Ingle 's report</a> of today 's finale and thanks for following along for the past three weeks . See you in 2020 ! </p><p> <span>Related : </span><a href= " https : **33;12292;TOOLONG ... Carlsen beats Caruana in tie-breakers to retain World Chess crown</a> </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-28T19:27:41.317Z " >7.27pm <span class= " timezone " **29;12327;TOOLONG ... **36;12358;TOOLONG players are asked if they would consider visiting the White House were either to receive and invitation from Donald Trump . </strong> " I 'll refrain from answering that question , " Caruana says . Answers Carlsen : " I do n't think it 's very relevant for me , unfortunately . " Republicans buy sneakers , too . </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-28T19:21:03.823Z " >7.21pm <span class= " timezone " **29;12396;TOOLONG ... **36;12427;TOOLONG prime minister of Norway has checked in. </strong>Erna Solberg sends her congratulations to the champion . </p><p lang= " no " dir= " ltr " >Gratulerer med VMseier <a href= " https : **27;12465;TOOLONG ? refs ... @MagnusCarlsen</a> , vi har tverrpolitiskfeiring ! <a href= " https : **30;12494;TOOLONG ? sr ... <a href= " https : //t.co/zsTZOXNvFv " >pic.twitter ... class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-28T18:53:49.405Z " >6.53pm <span class= " timezone " **29;12526;TOOLONG ... **33;12557;TOOLONG " The result shows that he is the strongest player in the world and he is the world champion , so it 's fitting , " Caruana says . </strong> He 's clearly disappointed , but the American has nothing to hang his head about after going blow for blow with the world No 1 for three weeks . </p><p lang= " en " dir= " ltr " >A remarkable moment in the post-match statements . <a href= " https : //t.co/hrx7OswvLs " >pic.twitter ... class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-28T18:48:11.428Z " >6.48pm <span class= " timezone " **29;12592;TOOLONG ... **43;12623;TOOLONG of the post-game press conference are forthcoming . </strong> But Caruana released the following statement on social media almost immediately after today 's final move . </p><p lang= " und " dir= " ltr " ><a href= " https : //t.co/R4C5EaNVBh " >pic.twitter ... class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-28T18:35:34.855Z " >6.35pm <span class= " timezone " **29;12668;TOOLONG ... **39;12699;TOOLONG a replayable look at today 's decisive game . </strong>The king stay the king . </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-28T18:26:00.773Z " >6.26pm <span class= " timezone " **29;12740;TOOLONG ... **36;12771;TOOLONG after the last couple of moves ( 49 . Qe3 50. c8=Q f4 51 . Qg4 ) , it 's over with a handshake ! </strong> Magnus Carlsen has retained the world chess championship for a third time with a dominant performance in today 's tie-breakers . Says grandmaster Judit Polgar in the commentary booth : " What a match . What a player . What a drama . " **29;12809;TOOLONG <span>Related : </span><a href= " https : **33;12840;TOOLONG ... Carlsen beats Caruana in tie-breakers to retain World Chess crown</a> </p><p lang= " en " dir= " ltr " >Here 's Caruana 's final handshake , as seen from <a href= " https : //twitter.com/vgnett ? refsrc=twsr ... @vgnett</a> 's <a href= " https : **33;12875;TOOLONG ... broadcast . <a href= " https : //t.co/bxfsj7dvDb " >pic.twitter ... class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-28T18:20:34.433Z " >6.20pm <span class= " timezone " **29;12910;TOOLONG ... **37;12941;TOOLONG continues ( 46 . Qd6 Qa1+ 47 . Kh2 Nd4 48. c7 Qc3 49 . Qc5 ) but hope for Caruana is lost . </strong> Magnus Carlsen is moments from a third successful defense of the title that <a href= " https : **33;12980;TOOLONG ... captured from Viswanathan Anand in 2013</a>. </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-28T18:18:48.916Z " >6.18pm <span class= " timezone " **29;13015;TOOLONG ... **35;13046;TOOLONG . ... Ne6 was a blunder and Carlsen can win the game outright . </strong> He keeps going : 44. a4 Nc7 45 . Qf4 Ne6 . Everything collapsing for the American now . </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-28T18:14:38.992Z " >6.14pm <span class= " timezone " **29;13083;TOOLONG ... **36;13114;TOOLONG the celebrations in Norway begin . </strong> We appear bound for a draw after 35 . ... Qd1+ 36 . Kh2 Qd6+ 37 . Kh1 Nd4 38 . Qe4+ f5 39. gxf5 exf5 40 . Qe3 Ne6 41. b4 Ng5 42. c5 Qf6 43. c6 Ne6. </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-28T18:12:33.965Z " >6.12pm <span class= " timezone " **29;13152;TOOLONG ... **39;13183;TOOLONG a look at the board after 32 . ... Nxd7 33 . Qxd7 Qxc2 34 . Qe8+ Kh7 35 . Qxa8. </strong>Carlsen not entirely out of the woods yet . </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-28T18:07:37.032Z " >6.07pm <span class= " timezone " **29;13224;TOOLONG ... **34;13255;TOOLONG queenside majority for white against black 's weaker king following 30 . ... Qxe5 31 . Nd7 Qb2. </strong> Carlsen then plays 32 . Qd6 , which seems to force an draw . May be time to put the bubbly on ice . **25;13291;TOOLONG class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-28T18:00:56.118Z " >6.00pm <span class= " timezone " **29;13318;TOOLONG ... **34;13349;TOOLONG lot of material off the board over the next few moves : 25 . ... Qc7 26. e5 dxe5 27 . Nxc5 Rxd2 28 . Rxd2 Rxd2 29 . Qxd2 Ba8 30. fxe5. </strong> The simpler the position the better for Carlsen . Sesse <a href= " http : //analysis.sesse.net/ " >has it dead even</a> , emphasis on dead for Caruana , who requires nothing short of a full point to keep his title challenge alive . **25;13385;TOOLONG class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-28T17:55:17.836Z " >5.55pm <span class= " timezone " **29;13412;TOOLONG ... **40;13443;TOOLONG plays 24. g4. </strong> A possible overextension ? The computers <a href= " http : //analysis.sesse.net/ " >seem fine with it</a> . Caruana answers with 24 . ... Qa5 and Carlsen hits back with 25 . Na4 . The champion is playing for the win here , not unlike his tie-break win over Karjakin two years ago in New York . **25;13485;TOOLONG class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-28T17:51:18.603Z " >5.51pm <span class= " timezone " **29;13512;TOOLONG ... **40;13543;TOOLONG trying to keep the position complex through 18. b3 h6 19. g3 Rd7 20 . Bf3 Re8 21 . Qf2 Ne7 22. h3 Red8 23 . Bg2 Nc6. </strong>If there 's good news for the American , it 's that he 's managed to put his opponent in a bit of time trouble . </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-28T17:44:31.754Z " >5.44pm <span class= " timezone " **29;13585;TOOLONG ... **40;13616;TOOLONG is in good shape after 12 . Rfd1 Ne5 13 . Bxc5 bxc5 14. f4 Ng6 15 . Qe3 d6 16 . Rd2 a6 17 . Rad1 Qc7. </strong> Sesse <a href= " http : //analysis.sesse.net/ " >likes it</a> , too . </p><p lang= " en " dir= " ltr " ><a href= " https : **33;13658;TOOLONG ... T3 : This looks quite comfortable for white in a must-win situation for Caruana. <a href= " https : //t.co/moFbNPnVlg " >pic.twitter ... class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-28T17:38:55.940Z " >5.38pm <span class= " timezone " **29;13693;TOOLONG ... **35;13724;TOOLONG they go with 6 . ... Nf6 7 . Nc3 O-O 8 . Be3 b6 9 . Be2 Bb7 10 . O-O Qe7 11 . Qd2 Rfd8. </strong>A solid start by the champion , who needs only a draw to retain the title . <a href= " https : **33;13761;TOOLONG ... Russian grandmaster Alexander Grischuk : " If Fabiano makes a comeback it will probably be the greatest comeback in chess history and the level of Liverpool 's comeback against Milan in the Champions League final . " </p><p lang= " en " dir= " ltr " >6 . Nc2 Nf6 7 . Nc3 O-O 8 . Be3 b6 9 . Be2 Bb7 10 . O-O Qe7 11 . Qd2 Rfd8 Carlsen is trying to play rock solid ! He just wants a draw and forces Caruana to go nuts if he wants to win . That is his simple game plan . <a href= " https : //t.co/w81fZ4dXDJ " >pic.twitter ... class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-28T17:32:08.622Z " >5.32pm <span class= " timezone " **29;13796;TOOLONG ... **38;13827;TOOLONG think of the game for Caruana after 1 . ... c5 2 . Nf3 e6 3. c4 Nc6 4. d4 cxd4 5 . Nxd4 Bc5 6 . Nc2. </strong> He 's at the tip of Carlsen 's blade and ca n't afford a false step . </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-28T17:23:43.290Z " >5.23pm <span class= " timezone " **29;13867;TOOLONG ... **38;13898;TOOLONG off and running with Game 3. </strong> Carlsen opens with 1 . e4 and Caruana plays the Sicilian Defense for the first time , moving away from his beloved Petroff given the must-win situation . </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-28T17:11:22.540Z " >5.11pm <span class= " timezone " **29;13938;TOOLONG ... **36;13969;TOOLONG Caruana has resigned after 28 moves . </strong>Carlsen has taken a commanding 2-0 lead in the first tie-break stage . He needs only a draw with the white pieces in the third rapid game to retain the world title . </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-28T17:08:08.361Z " >5.08pm <span class= " timezone " **29;14007;TOOLONG ... **35;14038;TOOLONG they go : 24 . ... Bd8 25 . Nd5 e4 . And now another Caruana blunder ( 26. c7 ? ? ) . </strong>Oh dear . Oh dear ! It 's all come undone for the challenger and Carlsen turns the screw : 26 . ... Bxc7 27 . Nxc7 Ne5 28 . Nd5 Kh7 . White simply has too many things hanging . **25;14075;TOOLONG lang= " und " dir= " ltr " ><a href= " https : //t.co/t2s8AMSaRT " >pic.twitter ... class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-28T17:02:30.066Z " >5.02pm <span class= " timezone " **29;14102;TOOLONG ... **36;14133;TOOLONG and a half minutes pass before Caruana decides on 22. c6. </strong> A pawn trade ensues ( 22. ... bxc6 23. dxc6 ) , followed by 23 . ... Rfc8 24 . Qc4 . This is gut-check time for Caruana . A defeat here would all but seal the title for Carlsen. </p><p lang= " en " dir= " ltr " >Is that c6 pawn a strength or a weakness ? <a href= " https : **33;14171;TOOLONG ... <a href= " https : //t.co/gj0Xq3IjqG " >pic.twitter ... class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-28T16:48:23.643Z " >4.48pm <span class= " timezone " **29;14206;TOOLONG ... **40;14237;TOOLONG plays 21. c5 after two and a half minutes . **25;14279;TOOLONG . Too aggressive ? Carlsen castles on the kingside after a three-minute think ( 21 . ... O-O ) . Complicated but dynamically balanced position . Sesse <a href= " http : //analysis.sesse.net/ " >has it dead even</a> . Caruana 's been thinking for five minutes and counting . </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-28T16:39:11.034Z " >4.39pm <span class= " timezone " **29;14306;TOOLONG ... **38;14337;TOOLONG look at the board after 19 . Rc1 Bxe2 20 . Qxe2 Qf5. </strong> " I do not like Carlsen 's position here , " the grandmaster Susan Polgar <a href= " https : **33;14377;TOOLONG ... " Caruana is doing much better in game 2 . Just as Carlsen in game 1 , he has a much easier position to play while Black has many issues . " </p><p lang= " en " dir= " ltr " >Grischuk : " This looks much worse for black . " <br>Giri : " Looks ugly , no ? " <a href= " https : **33;14412;TOOLONG ... <a href= " https : //t.co/Sl1irKLwKm " >pic.twitter ... class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-28T16:36:10.533Z " >4.36pm <span class= " timezone " **29;14447;TOOLONG ... **40;14478;TOOLONG hits back and after the next sequence of moves ( 13 . Be3 a6 14 . Nc3 a5 15 . Qb3 a4 16 . Qd1 Be7 17. g3 Qc8 18 . Be2 Bg4 ) , it appears the American 's opening has been a success . </strong>In the eyes of the <a href= " http : //analysis.sesse.net/ " >evaluati ... engine</a> , at least . On we go . </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-28T16:27:43.583Z " >4.27pm <span class= " timezone " **29;14520;TOOLONG ... **37;14551;TOOLONG 2 is under way . </strong> Caruana playing as white . Another Open Sicilian ( 1 . e4 c5 2 . Nf3 Nc6 3. d4 ) , same as Game 12 . The parallel lines extend through Caruana 's 11th move : 3. ... cxd4 4 . Nxd4 Nf6 5 . Nc3 e5 6 . Ndb5 d6 7 . Nd5 Nxd5 8. exd5 Ne7 9. c4 Ng6 10 . Qa4 Bd7 11 . Qb4. <strong>And it 's Carlsen who 's first to deviate with 12 . ... Qb8. **30;14590;TOOLONG lang= " en " dir= " ltr " > ... Qb8 is psychological warfare . Spurning even the possibility of a repetition.Magnus just rediscovered his inner predator and is playing for a win . <a href= " https : **33;14622;TOOLONG ... class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-28T16:13:57.668Z " >4.13pm <span class= " timezone " **29;14657;TOOLONG ... **26;14688;TOOLONG grinds it out and Caruana resigns after 55 moves . After 13 games and more than 49 hours , we finally have a result in the world championship match and the Norwegian champion <a href= " https : **33;14716;TOOLONG ... it with a fist pump</a> . The final moves , for the record : 43 . Kf3 a3 44 . Ra6+ Kg7 45 . Kg2 Ra2+ 46 . Kh3 Ra1 47. h5 Kh7 48. g4 Kg7 49 . Kh4 a2 50 . Kg5 Kf7 51. h6 Rb1 52 . Ra7+ Kg8 53 . Rxa2 Rb5+ 54 . Kg6 Rb6+ 55 . Kh5. </p><p lang= " en " dir= " ltr " >50 . Kg5 Kf7 51. h6 Rb1 52 . Ra7+ Kg8 53 . Rxa2 Rb5+ 54 . Kg6 Rb6+ 55 . Kh5 1-0 This is why I keep on repeating the same message to young players ! Learn endgame , especially R and P endgames ! It matters ! It is important ! ? ? <a href= " https : //t.co/8H3igtlQUC " >pic.twitter ... class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-28T16:08:26.355Z " >4.08pm <span class= " timezone " **29;14751;TOOLONG ... **35;14782;TOOLONG they go , moving with pace due to the time crunch : 38 . Re7+ Kxf5 39 . Rxg7 Kf6 40 . Rg5 a5 41 . Rxh5 a4 42 . Ra5 Ra1. </strong> Here 's a look at the board . </p><p lang= " en " dir= " ltr " >34 ... Rc3 35 . Kg2 Rxa3 36 . Rxc4 Ke5 37 . Rc7 Kxe4 38 . Re7+ Kxf5 39 . Rxg7 Kf6 40 . Rg5 a5 41 . Rxh5 a4 42 . Ra5 Ra1 Ooops ! Caruana made some inaccuracies ! It will be about nerves now with so little time left ! I expect many more mistakes from both players ! ? ? <a href= " https : //t.co/ABHVv3PxbO " >pic.twitter ... class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-28T16:07:23.055Z " >4.07pm <span class= " timezone " **29;14819;TOOLONG ... </p><p>The players are under a minute apiece as they trade moves : 33 . Rc5 h5 34 . Kf1 Rc3 35 . Kg2 Rxa3 36 . Rxc4 Ke5 37 . Rc7 . Then Caruana , so incredibly precise in defense today , blunders ( 37 . ... Kxe4 ? ? ) . Oh no ! A lost position for American and surely Carlsen will convert from here ! </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-28T16:02:59.602Z " >4.02pm <span class= " timezone " **29;14850;TOOLONG ... **39;14881;TOOLONG the position after 29. ... c5 30 . Rd5 Rc2 31. h4 c4 32. f5+ Kf6. </strong> Both players facing serious time pressure . High drama at the College in Holborn ! **25;14922;TOOLONG class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-28T15:58:13.561Z " >3.58pm <span class= " timezone " **29;14949;TOOLONG ... **37;14980;TOOLONG endgame ! </strong> Oh boy . Another draw ? </p><p lang= " en " dir= " ltr " >28 . Rd1+ Ke6 29. f4 I really do not know if he lost his nerves , patience , ability to calculate , or if the soccer injury has some effect , but this is NOT the Carlsen of past World Championships ! Something is very strange ! He is missing a lot of things and playing too cautiously ! <a href= " https : //t.co/KGDF3zRUKK " >pic.twitter ... class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-28T15:51:22.092Z " >3.51pm <span class= " timezone " **29;15019;TOOLONG ... **44;15050;TOOLONG . ... Yes , Carlsen was working with a considerable time advantage . But he spent a epochal nine and a half minutes before playing 24 . Bxe6+ . Clearly he 's trying to make sure he converts this position . A flurry of moves follows ( 24 . ... Kf8 25 . Rxd4 Ke7 26 . Rxd7+ Rxd7 27 . Bxd7 Kxd7 ) and this is what we 're looking at . </p><p lang= " en " dir= " ltr " >Svidler : " I can very easily see the computer saying this is winning , but in human terms I do n't see it . " <br>Grischuk : " I have no idea if it 's winning . " <br>Giri : " It 's very hard to see this as winning when the king is cut off . " <a href= " https : **33;15096;TOOLONG ... <a href= " https : //t.co/hX0bIfrI3x " >pic.twitter ... lang= " en " dir= " ltr " >24 . Bxe6+ Kf8 25 . Rxd4 Ke7 26 . Rxd7+ Rxd7 27 . Bxd7 Kxd7 Carlsen just like in Classical chess , simply lost his ability or patience to calculate deeply . He chose the " safest " way but much more difficult to win . This is now still much better for Carlsen but far from winning . ? ? <a href= " https : //t.co/Avmz5DoCDU " >pic.twitter ... class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-28T15:47:30.597Z " >3.47pm <span class= " timezone " **29;15131;TOOLONG ... **36;15162;TOOLONG Norwegian supercomputer Sesse gives Carlsen a wide advantage after 22 . ... Nd4 23 . Bxd4 exd4. </strong> The margin spiked dramatically when Caruana played 19 . ... Nb5 ( instead of the correct Nb7 ) . </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-28T15:39:30.678Z " >3.39pm <span class= " timezone " **29;15200;TOOLONG ... **37;15231;TOOLONG pieces off the board after 20 . Nc5 Rxb2 21 . Nxe6 fxe6 22 . Bxc4. </strong> Here 's what we 're looking at ... and it looks like our first decisive result of this year 's world championship match is afoot . **25;15270;TOOLONG class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-28T15:34:22.882Z " >3.34pm <span class= " timezone " **29;15297;TOOLONG ... **36;15328;TOOLONG Caruana plays 19 . ... Nb5. </strong> Oh dear . This looks bad for black . **25;15366;TOOLONG class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-28T15:33:23.394Z " >3.33pm <span class= " timezone " **29;15393;TOOLONG ... **34;15424;TOOLONG critical moment in the first rapid game after 17 . ... Ne8 18 . Bf1 Nd6 19 . Rcd1. </strong> Caruana must play Nb7 here or he will be in serious trouble . He 's now below 12 minutes as he 's spent four minutes ( and counting ) weighing the decision . Carlsen sitting on 14min 49sec . Will the American find it ? </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-28T15:27:54.201Z " >3.27pm <span class= " timezone " **29;15460;TOOLONG ... **38;15491;TOOLONG is worse but Caruana is doing his best to mine counterplay opportunities after 14 . ... Nbd7 15. f3 Rab8 16 . Rac1 Rb3 17 . Rfe1. </strong>He 's also three minutes ahead on the clock . **25;15531;TOOLONG lang= " en " dir= " ltr " >Caruana is a pawn up , but Carlsen has compensation and if he regains the pawn on c4 he should be doing well . <a href= " https : **33;15558;TOOLONG ... <a href= " https : //t.co/tV6zSTWnPO " >pic.twitter ... lang= " en " dir= " ltr " >Dream scenario for Carlsen ; a riskfree , better endgame he can really work with . <a href= " https : **33;15593;TOOLONG ... class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-28T15:23:26.758Z " >3.23pm <span class= " timezone " **29;15628;TOOLONG ... **34;15659;TOOLONG few more moves : 12 . ... Be6 13 . Qxd8 Rxd8 14 . Be3. </strong> Says the grandmaster Anish Giri from the commentary booth : " It 's quite pretty what he Carlsen is doing . ... Black 's position is like a one-trick pony . Very dangerous . " **25;15695;TOOLONG class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-28T15:19:26.458Z " >3.19pm <span class= " timezone " **29;15722;TOOLONG ... **37;15753;TOOLONG back from inside the box where the match is taking place , with both players and dozens of photographers , who are allowed inside for the first three minutes of play . </strong>A couple of things of note : there are a <em>lot</em> of photographers here , and one was told off after trying to get in front of the arbiter 's chair to get the best shots . Second , contrary to reports earlier in the championship of it being cold in there it was more like a greenhouse . Finally , and more importantly , I swear I saw Carlsen smile when Caruana played 3 . Bb4 ... as if he had been expecting it . And of course he immediately flashed out 4. e4. </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-28T15:17:31.705Z " >3.17pm <span class= " timezone " **29;15792;TOOLONG ... **40;15823;TOOLONG has an early positional advantage . </strong> Here 's what we 're looking at after 9. a3 Bxc3 10 . Nxc3 bxc4 11. dxe5 dxe5 12 . Na4. </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-28T15:14:48.683Z " >3.14pm <span class= " timezone " **29;15865;TOOLONG ... **38;15896;TOOLONG 4 . ... O-O 5 . Nge2 c6 6 . Bg2 , Caruana is into the first real think . </strong>He expends three and and a half minutes before playing 6. ... a6 . On they go with 7 . O-O b5 8. d4 d6 . Carlsen 's unusual line was a shrewd way of avoiding Caruana 's well-drilled home prep . Carlsen 's jacket off already . **25;15936;TOOLONG class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-28T15:08:12.847Z " >3.08pm <span class= " timezone " **29;15963;TOOLONG ... **36;15994;TOOLONG first rapid game is under way and we have an English Opening ( 1 . c4 ) for the third time in 19 days . </strong> Yet very quickly it deviates from the two we 've seen thus far ( 1 . ... e5 2 . Nc3 Nf6 3. g3 Bb4 4. e4 ) . A reversed Rossolimo Sicilian is on the board . **25;16032;TOOLONG class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-28T15:03:23.639Z " >3.03pm <span class= " timezone " **29;16059;TOOLONG ... **36;16090;TOOLONG players have taken the board . </strong> The photographers are snapping their final shots before vacating the sound-proof studio at the College in Holborn where they 've spent more than 48 hours trading blows over the past 19 days . Only Carlsen and Caruana will be in the room with a pair of silent arbiters when the first rapid tie-breaker game starts in just a few minutes . Palpable tension . </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-28T14:47:03.658Z " >2.47pm <span class= " timezone " **29;16128;TOOLONG ... **35;16159;TOOLONG how will the title be decided ? </strong> Here 's a look at today 's tie-break format <a href= " https : **33;16196;TOOLONG ... Fide 's match regulations</a>. </p><p>< ... 7 Tie-breaks **44;16231;TOOLONG &; ... If the scores are level after the regular twelve ( 12 ) games , after a new drawing of colors , four ( 4 ) tie-break games shall be played . The games shall be played using the electronic clock starting with 25 minutes for each player with an increment of 10 seconds after each move </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-28T14:41:54.636Z " >2.41pm <span class= " timezone " **29;16277;TOOLONG ... **37;16308;TOOLONG not every day our sport makes the editorial page . </strong>Here 's the Guardian 's view on the world title match from today 's paper . </p><p>This paper has the <a href= " https : **33;16347;TOOLONG ... running</a> daily chess column in the world . We persevered in no small part because of our brilliant columnist , where others have <a href= " https : **33;16382;TOOLONG ... What is undeniable is that chess is now established as an online spectacle . Websites <a href= " https : **33;16417;TOOLONG ... the match garner large and enthusiastic audiences ; long games allow time for comment and speculation ; online followers can see potentially more than the players themselves , who are locked in their glass booth and unable to look up moves ; and on social media grandmasters offer <a href= " https : **33;16452;TOOLONG ... takes</a> . Web chess , it transpires , is Test Match Special for people who find cricket too fast-paced , proving Dutch grandmaster Hans Ree 's <a href= " https : **26;16487;TOOLONG ? id=ui9 ... it is a game beautiful enough to waste your life for . </p><p>Chess had been in the doldrums in recent years , in part because it lacked the cold war intrigue . The game began in China and India , and its renaissance is down in part to chess 's <a href= " https : **33;16515;TOOLONG ... among Asian <a href= " https : **33;16550;TOOLONG ... Pessimists fear computers may one day " <a href= " https : **32;16585;TOOLONG ... chess , demonstrating an infallible sequence of moves that guarantee victory from the start of the game . But that solution is still many years away . The human struggle looks certain , for now , to keep millions hooked to see if Caruana can upset the odds and defeat Carlsen , the <a href= " https : **33;16619;TOOLONG ... unmatched in rapidplay and blitz . Whoever triumphs , the winner will be the game itself , which reaped the fruits of an online revolution . </p><p> <span>Related : </span><a href= " https : **33;16654;TOOLONG ... Guardian view on the World Chess Championship : not just a popularity contest Editorial</a> </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-28T14:19:44.185Z " >2.19pm <span class= " timezone " **29;16689;TOOLONG ... **38;16720;TOOLONG and welcome to London for the final day of the world championship match between Norway 's Magnus Carlsen and Fabiano Caruana of the United States . </strong> Twelve classical games were not enough to decide this evenly matched showdown between a champion and challenger separated respectively by one year in age ( 27 v 26 ) , one spot in the rankings ( No 1 v No 2 , for the first time in a title match <a href= " http : **34;16760;TOOLONG ... 1990</a> ) and a scant three points in <a href= " https : **28;16796;TOOLONG ? list ... Elo ratings</a> ( 2835 v 2832 , the smallest ever margin between contenders ) . **33;16826;TOOLONG ... **45;16861;TOOLONG ... class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-28T12:58:28.481Z " >12.58p ... <span class= " timezone " **29;16908;TOOLONG ... **38;16939;TOOLONG will be here shortly . </strong>In the meantime <a href= " https : **33;16979;TOOLONG ... his look ahead</a> to today 's finale . </p><p> <span>Related : </span><a href= " https : **33;17014;TOOLONG ... to Armageddon : Carlsen and Caruana set for final showdown</a> **25;17049;TOOLONG games . Forty-eight hours . More than 630 moves . <a href= " https : **33;17076;TOOLONG ... apparent intelligence leak</a>. <a href= " https : **33;17111;TOOLONG ... definite black eye</a> . There 's been nothing to separate Norway 's Magnus Carlsen and Fabiano Caruana of the United States in their world championship staredown over the last three weeks in London . Every one of their 12 classical games ended in a draw , making it the first title match in which no decisive results were managed in the competition 's official 132-year history . </p><p>But the historic deadlock will be resolved on Wednesday in a sound-proof studio at the College in London when the world 's top two players compete in a series of quickfire tie-breakers to determine an outright winner in the ? 1m ( ? 880,000 ) match . </p> <a href= " https : **33;17146;TOOLONG ... reading ... </a>World Chess Championship 2018ChessFabiano CaruanaUS sportsMagnus CarlsenSportWed , 28 Nov 2018 18:36:31 GMThttp : **37;17181;TOOLONG ... Frank Augstein/APPhotograph : Frank Augstein/APBryan Armen **29;17220;TOOLONG Guardian view on the World Chess Championship : not just a popularity contest Editorialhttps : **30;17251;TOOLONG ... The game has regained its popularity thanks to the rise of Asian giants and the world wide web<p>The World Chess Championship match between the title-holder , Norwegian Magnus Carlsen , and his American challenger , Fabiano Caruana will finally be decided tomorrow , after a three-week <a href= " https : **33;17283;TOOLONG ... title= " " >struggle</a> in which all 12 games of long-form chess they have played has been drawn . They now embark on a series of " rapidplay " games -- lasting about an hour , roughly a sixth of the time it normally takes . If they are still locked together after four such contests , the two grandmasters play a series of up to five mini-matches of roughly 10-minute blitz games to try and determine the winner . Then , if the scores are still level they play a single so-called Armageddon game , in which if the player with the black pieces can manage to draw the game -- white goes first and has a time advantage so this is easier said than done -- he wins the title . <a href= " https : **33;17318;TOOLONG ... title= " " >Armageddon</a> would be a first for the world championship and an extraordinary way to decide it . </p><p>The match has divided chess aficionados . Grandmaster chess at this level is so rarefied -- the pair are the top players in the world -- that they can cancel each other out . Some observers have found that a little dull , pining for the heroic days of chess when players still made errors , theory was n't quite so exhaustive and computer analysis had n't superseded the human brain in determining what grandmasters like to refer to as the " truth " of a position . But others have gloried in the high standard of the play , the brilliance of the defensive resources employed by both players and the fact that at least half of the 12 classical games were spiritedly fought and could , with lesser defenders , have produced a decisive result . </p> <a href= " https : **33;17353;TOOLONG ... reading ... </a>World Chess Championship 2018US sportsChessMagnus CarlsenFabiano CaruanaSportChinaAsia PacificWorld newsIndiaSouth and Central AsiaTue , 27 Nov 2018 18:43:28 GMThttp : **37;17388;TOOLONG ... Facundo **26;17427;TOOLONG : Facundo **45;17455;TOOLONG ... Carlsen surprises Fabiano Caruana with draw offer in Game 12 -- as it happenedhttps : **31;17502;TOOLONG ... **25;17535;TOOLONG href= " https : **33;17562;TOOLONG ... offers draw in Game 12 after 31 moves and three **45;17597;TOOLONG ... contest deadlocked at 6-all after 12 **31;17644;TOOLONG championship to be settled Wednesday in **38;17677;TOOLONG class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-26T19:35:06.713Z " >7.35pm <span class= " timezone " **29;17717;TOOLONG ... **39;17748;TOOLONG Bryan 's <a href= " https : **33;17789;TOOLONG ... off today 's game</a> , which you can replay below . </strong>Be sure to join us on Wednesday for minute-by-minute coverage of the tie-breaker . </p><p> <span>Related : </span><a href= " https : **33;17824;TOOLONG ... Carlsen and Fabiano Caruana head to tie-breaker after Game 12 draw</a> </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-26T19:32:42.478Z " >7.32pm <span class= " timezone " **29;17859;TOOLONG ... **38;17890;TOOLONG Kasparov has spoken . </strong>The longtime world No 1 believes Carlsen 's decision to offer a draw may undercut his status as favorite in Wednesday 's tie-breaker . </p><p lang= " en " dir= " ltr " >In light of this shocking draw offer from Magnus in a superior position with more time , I reconsider my evaluation of him being the favorite in rapids . Tiebreaks require tremendous nerves and he seems to be losing his . </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-26T19:20:52.646Z " >7.20pm <span class= " timezone " **29;17930;TOOLONG ... **33;17961;TOOLONG " I was n't necessarily going for the maximum , " says Carlsen , essentially admitting that he was content with a draw after move 20. </strong> " I just wanted a position that was completely safe , ( but ) where I could put some pressure . If a draw had n't been a satisfactory result , obviously I would have approached it differently . " </p><p>Says Caruana : " I was a bit surprised by the draw offer . I can never be better ( than move 31 ) . And I do n't really have any active ideas . If anything , black is better . At least I thought I was over the worst of it . I thought it was much more dangerous a few moves ago . " </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-26T18:34:19.951Z " >6.34pm <span class= " timezone " **29;17996;TOOLONG ... **40;18027;TOOLONG will play with the white pieces in the first game of Wednesday 's rapid play-off after the drawing of lots is conducted . </strong> Here 's a look at the format : </p><p> * Best of four rapid games with 25 minutes for each player with an increment of 10 seconds after each move . </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-26T18:14:32.923Z " >6.14pm <span class= " timezone " **29;18069;TOOLONG ... **40;18100;TOOLONG offers a draw after 30. ... g6 31 . Rd1 Ra8 and Caruana accepts . </strong> Wow ! An absolute shocker given Carlsen 's position and advantage on time ! It 's a peaceful result after 31 moves and three hours and the world championship will be settled Wednesday in a tie-breaker . </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-26T17:48:56.185Z " >5.48pm <span class= " timezone " **29;18142;TOOLONG ... **40;18173;TOOLONG plays 30 . Qb4 and he 's working with 15min 42sec after the increment . </strong>He 'll need to make his next 10 moves in that span to reach move 40 , after which the players are given an additional 50 minutes . But it wo n't be a walk in the park as he weathers a Carlsen attack where one false step could torpedo the whole enterprise . **25;18215;TOOLONG class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-26T17:40:58.725Z " >5.40pm <span class= " timezone " **29;18242;TOOLONG ... **40;18273;TOOLONG plays 29 . Re1 in an apparent move to improve the position of the knight on f2. </strong>As we wait for Carlsen 's reponse , reader Abhijato Sensarma checks in via email with his take on Caruana 's 25. f4 : </p><p>Well , I for one am never going to trust the supercomputer about a position 's advantage until it becomes very significant . The move is a reasonable one once you understand the purpose behind it , if not the technically perfect one , which might turn out to be the decisive reason why today 's finale is not a draw ! I am secretly rooting for Caruana so that the next Championship can have personal undertones since Carlsen will undoubtedly be the Challenger then . Whatever happens , happens today . If Carslen wins ( he does have an advantage , and known for creating something out of nothing ) , Caruana wo n't mind since he would have lost in the tie break in all likeliness . He can come back stronger . This match might be the thriller which will inject urgency into the stagnant chess world once more ! </p><p>If it is over today , I will have to relay a funny experience I had the other day . I looked at the my fellow classmates during a friendly football match . We were level at five all . " It looks drawish ! " I said and my other chess-knowing friend started laughing , and the others were left dumbfounded . With any luck , maybe we 'll get the sixth goal in today ! </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-26T17:35:16.644Z " >5.35pm <span class= " timezone " **29;18315;TOOLONG ... **40;18346;TOOLONG attacks white 's queen with 25. ... a5 and Caruana retreats ( 26 . Qd2 ) . </strong> Black still better after 26. ... e4 27 . Be2 Be8 28 . Kb1 Bf6 . As time pressure mounts on Caruana , the position could be difficult to hold . </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-26T17:20:28.740Z " >5.20pm <span class= " timezone " **29;18388;TOOLONG ... **42;18419;TOOLONG 25. f4 may have been a mistake . </strong> The supercomputer thinks so , anyway . Black 's advantage has spiked dramatically . Hungarian-born grandmaster D ? nes Boros is <a href= " https : **33;18463;TOOLONG ... less harsh</a> : " It was a decent move , as it gives fighting chances with the idea of blocking the g6 bishop . " </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-26T17:16:59.763Z " >5.16pm <span class= " timezone " **29;18498;TOOLONG ... **40;18529;TOOLONG has twice as much time as Caruana after 24 moves . </strong> He will need to make 16 moves in the next half hour before the time control . </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-26T17:13:02.917Z " >5.13pm <span class= " timezone " **29;18571;TOOLONG ... **39;18602;TOOLONG Carlsen has the initiative after 22 . ... Bg6 23 . Rc2 f5. </strong>Dynamic game , this . Everything that observers underwhelmed by the record streak of draws could have hoped for . </p><p lang= " en " dir= " ltr " >22 ... Bg6 . Carlsen 's idea is clear with f5 . For example if 23 . Rc2 f5 24 . Ng5 Bxg5 25. hxg5 e4 . Black is on the attack while Caruana has to be extremely careful as one slight inaccuracy can cost him the game . <a href= " https : //t.co/ngCAf1TXUJ " >pic.twitter ... class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-26T17:02:09.562Z " >5.02pm <span class= " timezone " **29;18643;TOOLONG ... **40;18674;TOOLONG responds with 21 . ... Rac8 after a little more than 10 minutes . </strong>Black is ahead in development with more than a half-hour advantage in time . Caruana finds himself up against it here with no obvious plan . And after eight minutes the American castles on the queenside ( 22 . O-O-O ) . The tension , the complications , the tactical potential ... it 's all coming to a head . " This is exciting , " Aronian says of Caruana 's choice . " This is something I did n't expect at all . " </p><p lang= " en " dir= " ltr " >Considering that Caruana has exhibited generally superior skills in all facets of the match ( opening prep , middle game transition , endgames ) it would seem a bit odd if he loses this match . <a href= " https : **33;18716;TOOLONG ... class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-26T16:47:40.719Z " >4.47pm <span class= " timezone " **29;18751;TOOLONG ... **40;18782;TOOLONG castles after a 12-minute think ( 20 . ... O-O ) and Caruana counters with a surprise move ( 21 . Rh2 ! ? ) . </strong> " An amazing move by Fabiano , " Russian chess grandmaster Alexander Grischuk says . " The deepest move in the match so far ! " The Norwegian supercomputer Sesse , running Stockfish , is less bullish , indicating Caruana 's steadily held advantage is lost and black is better . </p><p lang= " en " dir= " ltr " >'Incredibly creative but quite dumb ' is Simen Agdestein 's reaction to 21 . Rh2 on the VG broadcast . The move is surely a declaration of violence . This is now looking like the most likely decisive brawl of the match ... Is the pressure cooker about to go off ? <a href= " https : **33;18824;TOOLONG ... class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-26T16:39:18.076Z " >4.39pm <span class= " timezone " **29;18859;TOOLONG ... **33;18890;TOOLONG " The position does n't look anything like a draw , which makes me very , very happy , " says world No 11 Levon Aronian. </strong>Carlsen has been on the clock for about 10 minutes , but he remains comfortably ahead on time . </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-26T16:31:08.786Z " >4.31pm <span class= " timezone " **29;18925;TOOLONG ... **40;18956;TOOLONG continues to enjoy a widening time advantage after 19 . Ne4 Nd7 20 . Bd3. </strong> Carlsen spends about six minutes weighing his 20th move before removing his jacket . He 's still on the clock . Says grandmaster Anish Giri : " White 's position is rather soft for the last game of a world championship , do n't you think ? " Garry Kasparov says he believes the current position will yield a decisive result . </p><p lang= " en " dir= " ltr " >Based on the current position , <a href= " https : //twitter.com/Kasparov63 ? refsrc= ... @Kasparov63</a> thinks it 's more likely the World <br>Championship will be decided today . <a href= " https : **33;18998;TOOLONG ... <a href= " https : **33;19033;TOOLONG ... href= " https : //t.co/O5nTGAmgjN " >https : //t.c ... <a href= " https : //t.co/UbcEwXjy3f " >pic.twitter ... class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-26T16:16:40.545Z " >4.16pm <span class= " timezone " **29;19068;TOOLONG ... **40;19099;TOOLONG expends another five minutes before playing 18. f3. </strong> Says grandmaster grandmaster Judit Polgar in the commentary booth : " It 's very strange because we have special , unique things happening when Fabiano is pushing his pawns . " Carlsen takes just over a minute before answering with 18 . ... Nf8. </p><p lang= " en " dir= " ltr " >Caruana play 18. f3 as I suggested earlier . But Carlsen immediately responded with 18 ... Nf8 . I am sure this is very confusing for Caruana . Carlsen is cranking out moves at lightning speed . The idea of Nf8 is to go to d7 to help solidify the c5 square . <a href= " https : //t.co/dDmEzgAFdp " >pic.twitter ... class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-26T16:11:40.331Z " >4.11pm <span class= " timezone " **29;19141;TOOLONG ... **38;19172;TOOLONG 25 minutes Caruana finally plays 17. g3. </strong> Carlsen immediately responds with 17 . ... Be7. </p><p lang= " en " dir= " ltr " >17. g3 and Carlsen immediately responded w/ 17 ... Be7 . This is a very uncomfortable situation for Caruana . Objectively speaking his position is fine . But Carlsen is playing so fast . This can psychologically effect Caruana because he does not know if this is still in Carlsen 's prep <a href= " https : //t.co/RAZ3LH0gWB " >pic.twitter ... class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-26T16:05:08.459Z " >4.05pm <span class= " timezone " **29;19212;TOOLONG ... **40;19243;TOOLONG has been thinking for more than 20 minutes after Carlsen played 16 . Qc7. </strong> The American is nearly 40 minutes behind on time . </p><p lang= " en " dir= " ltr " >Caruana more than 30 minutes behind on the clock after 16 moves , and still thinking . It 's still early , but the time usage is worth to pay attention to . <a href= " https : **33;19285;TOOLONG ... <a href= " https : //t.co/b1VqnJFGXL " >pic.twitter ... class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-26T15:40:29.703Z " >3.40pm <span class= " timezone " **29;19320;TOOLONG ... **38;19351;TOOLONG eight minutes Caruana plays 15 . Be3. </strong> Phew . No draw by repetition . Fabiano declares he 's here to play . Carlsen comes back with 15. ... a6 and Caruana answers with 16 . Nc3 . The American is 20 minutes behind on the clock already . **25;19391;TOOLONG class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-26T15:25:37.266Z " >3.25pm <span class= " timezone " **29;19418;TOOLONG ... **38;19449;TOOLONG a draw by repetition be forthcoming ? </strong> It 's a possibility after 13 . Qa4 Bd7 14 . Qb4 Bf5. </p><p lang= " en " dir= " ltr " >After 14 moves Fabiano is shook . He 's repeating moves and now deep into the tank . <a href= " https : **33;19489;TOOLONG ... lang= " en " dir= " ltr " >Please do n't repeat . <br>Please do n't repeat . <br>Please do n't repeat . <a href= " https : **33;19524;TOOLONG ... <a href= " https : //t.co/z9eSGPG7uc " >pic.twitter ... class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-26T15:21:50.905Z " >3.21pm <span class= " timezone " **29;19559;TOOLONG ... **40;19590;TOOLONG settles in for the first long think of the day after 9. c4 Ng6 10 . Qa4 Bd7 11 . Qb4 Bf5 12. h4 h5. </strong> He 's been weighing his response for six minutes ( and counting ) . In fact Carlsen 's 12. ... h5 is a novelty , <a href= " https : **33;19632;TOOLONG ... humans anyway</a>. </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-26T15:10:06.868Z " >3.10pm <span class= " timezone " **29;19667;TOOLONG ... **37;19698;TOOLONG continue with 6 . Ndb5 d6 7 . Nd5 Nxd5 8. exd5. </strong> Carlsen is first to deviate from the Game 8 and Game 10 lines with 8 . ... Ne7. </p><p lang= " en " dir= " ltr " >8 ... Ne7 is considered dubious since Yudasin-Kramnik in 1994 . Obviously Carlsen has some ideas . <a href= " https : **33;19737;TOOLONG ... <a href= " https : **33;19772;TOOLONG ... class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-26T15:07:27.782Z " >3.07pm <span class= " timezone " **29;19807;TOOLONG ... **36;19838;TOOLONG we 're off with 1 . e4 c5 2 . Nf3 Nc6 3. d4 cxd4 4 . Nxd4. </strong> And with 4 . ... Nf6 5 . Nc3 e5 , we 're into the Sveshnikov variation , same as the eighth game ! </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-26T14:09:50.559Z " >2.09pm <span class= " timezone " **29;19876;TOOLONG ... **38;19907;TOOLONG and welcome to London for today 's 12th game of the world chess championship between Magnus Carlsen and Fabiano Caruana. </strong> Play resumes today at the College in Holborn after with the best-of-12-games match deadlocked at 5 ? -all following 11 draws in as many contests . Sixteen days and no blood drawn : the longest streak of games to open a match without a decisive result in the recognized 132-year history of world championship play . But the tension will never be higher than today , where a decisive result would lift the winner over the 6 ? -point threshold and determine an outright winner in the ? 1m ( $1.14m ) showdown . **36;19947;TOOLONG **45;19985;TOOLONG ... class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-26T13:12:20.697Z " >1.12pm <span class= " timezone " **29;20032;TOOLONG ... **38;20063;TOOLONG will be here shortly . </strong>In the meantime <a href= " https : **33;20103;TOOLONG ... his report</a> from Saturday 's Game 11. **26;20138;TOOLONG , as white , played into Caruana 's Petroff with an opening line that paralleled their <a href= " http : **34;20166;TOOLONG ... meeting at the Sinquefield Cup</a> , which ended in a draw . The American challenger and world No 2 was first to deviate , castling on the kingside ( 7 . O-O ) instead of the Nc6 he 'd played in St Louis . </p><p>A briefly promising double-edge position took shape with ( 8 . Qd2 Nd7 9 . O-O-O Nf6 10 . Bd3 c5 ) , but Carlsen expended 23 minutes on his next two moves ( 11 . Rhe1 Be6 12 . Kb1 Qa5 ) and admitted he 'd been thrown for a curve once more by Caruana 's exhaustively researched opening preparation and not for the first time during the fortnight . Eventually the champion offered up a queen exchange with 13. c4 and the ladies were off the board ( 13 . ... Qxd2 14 . Bxd2 ) , abruptly stripping the tension from the affair . </p><p> <span>Related : </span><a href= " https : **33;20202;TOOLONG ... Carlsen plays it safe in fizzling Game 11 draw with Fabiano Caruana</a> </p> <a href= " https : **33;20237;TOOLONG ... reading ... </a>World Chess Championship 2018Fabiano CaruanaMagnus CarlsenChessSportUS sportsMon , 26 Nov 2018 19:35:06 GMThttp : **37;20272;TOOLONG ... Mark **33;20311;TOOLONG : Mark **28;20346;TOOLONG Armen **32;20376;TOOLONG Carlsen and Fabiano Caruana head to tie-breaker after Game 12 drawhttps : **35;20410;TOOLONG ... **25;20447;TOOLONG href= " https : **33;20474;TOOLONG ... goes to tie-breaker after Game 12 draw -- as it **45;20509;TOOLONG ... championship match ends in 6-all **36;20556;TOOLONG to play as white to open tie-break after drawing of **38;20594;TOOLONG world championship battle between Magnus Carlsen and Fabiano Caruana will be decided in a quickfire tie-breaker after Monday 's Game 12 <a href= " https : **33;20634;TOOLONG ... in a 31-move draw</a> . The result shocked onlookers in light of the champion 's advantages in position and time , and left the best-of-12-games match in a historic 6-6 deadlock . </p><p> <span>Related : </span><a href= " https : **33;20669;TOOLONG ... Carlsen and Fabiano Caruana draw in Game 12 -- live ! </a> **36;20704;TOOLONG **45;20742;TOOLONG ... <a href= " https : **33;20789;TOOLONG ... reading ... </a>World Chess Championship 2018ChessFabiano CaruanaMagnus CarlsenSportUS sportsMon , 26 Nov 2018 19:16:04 GMThttp : **37;20824;TOOLONG ... Matt Dunham/APPhotograph : Matt Dunham/APBryan Armen **32;20863;TOOLONG Carlsen and Fabiano Caruana play to quiet Game 11 draw -- as it happenedhttps : **31;20897;TOOLONG ... **25;20930;TOOLONG href= " https : **33;20957;TOOLONG ... and Caruana play to quiet 55-move draw in Game **45;20992;TOOLONG ... contest deadlocked at 5 ? -all after 11 **31;21039;TOOLONG href= " https : **33;21072;TOOLONG ... admits nerves after Game 10</a> ( <a href= " https : **33;21107;TOOLONG ... report</a> ) **27;21142;TOOLONG class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-24T18:16:03.393Z " >6.16pm <span class= " timezone " **29;21171;TOOLONG ... **39;21202;TOOLONG Bryan 's report off today 's game , which you can replay below . </strong>Adds Carlsen during the post-game press conference : " I was n't pleased from the opening and then after that I just wanted to play it safe . I was trying to push a little bit , but it was nothing real . In this match situation I thought there was no reason to go crazy . " </p><p> <span>Related : </span><a href= " https : **33;21243;TOOLONG ... Carlsen plays it safe in fizzling Game 11 draw with Fabiano Caruana</a> </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-24T18:01:58.534Z " >6.01pm <span class= " timezone " **29;21278;TOOLONG ... **33;21309;TOOLONG " There 's a lot riding on the last game , " says Caruana when asked about Monday 's Game 12 , where he will play with white . </strong> " It will be very tense for both of us . I 'm not going to go crazy or anything , of course , but I will try to put pressure on him . " </p><p>The players will have an extra rest day between now and then , which the American says he 's grateful for . </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-24T17:46:11.380Z " >5.46pm <span class= " timezone " **29;21344;TOOLONG ... **33;21375;TOOLONG " I 'm not thrilled , obviously , " Carlsen says . </strong> " I got surprised in the opening and just decided to shut it down . It was n't great but it 's no disaster . Now I 've just got to play well in one more classical and see what happens . " </p><p>He 's asked what he expects from Monday 's Game 12 : " We 'll see what happens . A lot depends on what ( Caruana ) wants to do . If he wants to shut it down then that 's fine by me , we 'll play rapid . Otherwise we 'll have a fight . " </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-24T17:36:35.052Z " >5.36pm <span class= " timezone " **29;21410;TOOLONG ... **36;21441;TOOLONG last move for both players ( 55 . Bf2 Bc2 ) and it 's official : Game 11 is a draw after two hours and 13 minutes . </strong>The shortest contest of the fortnight leaves the best-of-12-games world championship match deadlocked at 5 ? -all after 11 indecisive results . **26;21479;TOOLONG will have the white pieces in Monday 's Game 12 . Says the American : " There 's a lot riding on the last game . It will be tense for both of us. " **25;21507;TOOLONG class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-24T17:31:33.714Z " >5.31pm <span class= " timezone " **29;21534;TOOLONG ... **34;21565;TOOLONG few more moves , happening more quickly now : 47 . ... Ba2 48 . Kg5 Bb3 49 . Kf6 Ba2 50. h4 Bb3 51. f4 Ba2 52 . Ke7 Bb3 53 . Kf6 Ba2 54. f5 Bb1. </strong> A handshake should come soon . </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-24T17:28:01.604Z " >5.28pm <span class= " timezone " **29;21601;TOOLONG ... **35;21632;TOOLONG they go : 36 . ... Bg4 37. c4 Be6 38 . Kd4 bxc4 39. bxc4 Bg4 40. c5 Be6 41 . Bh6 Bd5 42 . Be3 Be6 43 . Ke5 Bd5 44 . Kf4 Be6 45 . Kg5 Bd5 46. g4 hxg4 47 . Kxg4. </strong> The action is petering out toward a draw . " I 'll take a short break because nothing is happening and nothing is going to happen , " Russian grandmaster Alexander Grischuk says . </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-24T17:13:41.467Z " >5.13pm <span class= " timezone " **29;21669;TOOLONG ... **35;21700;TOOLONG real progress after the last few moves : 32 . Kd4 g6 33. g3 Be2 34 . Bf8 Kc6 35. b3 Bd1 36 . Kd3. </strong> Carlsen is still up a pawn and trying to convert it , but Caruana is holding strong . Here 's what we 're looking at . </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-24T16:57:51.027Z " >4.57pm <span class= " timezone " **29;21737;TOOLONG ... **40;21768;TOOLONG rush of moves sees Caruana surrender a pawn : 27. a3 Kf8 28 . Bc7 b5 29 . Bd6+ Ke8 30 . Bxc5 h5 31 . Ke3 Kd7. </strong>The Sesse evaluation engine , running Stockfish , <a href= " http : //analysis.sesse.net/ " >gives Carlsen a slight advantage</a> , though Caruana should be able to hold for a draw . Says Judit Polgar in the commentary booth : " When we talk about the fact that it 's a dead draw , it 's a dead draw if you know how to do it . So you still have to be careful if you 're not familiar with these kind of theoretical positions in principle . " </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-24T16:45:10.709Z " >4.45pm <span class= " timezone " **29;21810;TOOLONG ... **40;21841;TOOLONG rook exchange as Game 11 trudges toward a peaceful result : 25 . ... Rxd2 26 . Kxd2 a6 27. a3. </strong> Caruana has spent 12 minutes ( and counting ) pondering his response . While all signs point toward a draw , white is slightly better due to black 's exposed pawns on the queenside ; indeed , the <a href= " http : //analysis.sesse.net/ " >Norwegia ... supercomputer Sesse indicates</a> a number of endings where white has an extra pawn . So Caruana , with more than an hour to make 14 moves before the time control , is correct to take his time and make sure he gets it right . </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-24T16:32:22.619Z " >4.32pm <span class= " timezone " **29;21883;TOOLONG ... **40;21914;TOOLONG rush of moves including a rook exchange : 21 . Rxd6 Rxd6 22 . Bxd6 Rd8 23 . Rd2 Bxc4 24 . Kc1 b6 25 . Bf4. </strong> We 're heading toward an opposite-colored bishop endgame . Only an hour and a half into the match and the end appears near . </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-24T16:23:32.530Z " >4.23pm <span class= " timezone " **29;21956;TOOLONG ... **36;21987;TOOLONG position simplifies after a quick flurry of moves : 15 . ... Rfe8 16 . Ng6 Ng4 17 . Nxe7+ Rxe7 18 . Re2 Ne5 19 . Bf4 Nxd3 20 . Rxd3 Rd7. </strong> " Another miserable preparation by Magnus with white , " Russian grandmaster Alexander Grischuk says . </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-24T16:04:16.629Z " >4.04pm <span class= " timezone " **29;22025;TOOLONG ... **40;22056;TOOLONG plays 15 . Nh4. </strong> He 's more than a half hour behind on time right now . </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-24T15:51:19.854Z " >3.51pm <span class= " timezone " **29;22098;TOOLONG ... **40;22129;TOOLONG plays 14. ... h6 , which prevents Ng6 and stunts the position even further . </strong>Carlsen has spent more than 10 minutes considering his response and Caruana has stepped away from the board . Disappointing how fast this line fizzled out . Barring any inaccuracies a draw should be forthcoming . </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-24T15:41:06.247Z " >3.41pm <span class= " timezone " **29;22171;TOOLONG ... **40;22202;TOOLONG offers up a queen exchange with 13. c4 and the ladies are off the board ( 13 . ... Qxd2 14 . Bxd2 ) ! </strong>Oh boy . " It 's clear without queens black is fine , " says Sergey Karjakin , who <a href= " https : **33;22244;TOOLONG ... Carlsen to the limit in the world title match two years ago</a> , from the commentary booth . " I think it 's going to be a draw . At the same time it 's not like Magnus was playing for the draw , but it just happened because he did not expect Fabiano would play this line . " **25;22279;TOOLONG lang= " en " dir= " ltr " >13. c4 Qxd2 14 . Bxd2 Carlsen can not help himself . He wants to head to endgame immediately . No risk grinding ! It seems that both sides are satisfied with what they have <a href= " https : //t.co/WPqZ14qIUc " >pic.twitter ... class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-24T15:31:56.765Z " >3.31pm <span class= " timezone " **29;22306;TOOLONG ... **40;22337;TOOLONG plays 12 . Kb1 after 12 minutes and Caruana quickly responds with 12 . ... Qa5. </strong> The champion has spent 23 minutes on his last two moves . He 's about 25 minutes down on time already . </p><p lang= " en " dir= " ltr " >Magnus Carlsen after 10 ... c5 . What exactly convinced him not to go for a sharper line such as 12 . Bg5 ? He spent almost 11 minutes on 11 . Rhe1 and 12 minutes and a half on 12 . Kb1. <a href= " https : //t.co/gFVWZKedCr " >pic.twitter ... class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-24T15:27:23.298Z " >3.27pm <span class= " timezone " **29;22379;TOOLONG ... **34;22410;TOOLONG few more moves : 8 . Qd2 Nd7 9 . O-O-O Nf6 10 . Bd3 c5 11 . Rhe1 Be6. </strong> A promising double-edged position takes shape . Caruana moving with incredible pace , clearly still in his preparation , with nearly four more minutes than what he started with . Here 's what we 're looking at . </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-24T15:13:05.028Z " >3.13pm <span class= " timezone " **29;22446;TOOLONG ... **36;22477;TOOLONG parallel lines extend for Carlsen 's first seven moves ( 3 . Nxe5 d6 4 . Nf3 Nxe4 5 . Nc3 Nxc3 6. dxc3 Be7 7 . Be3 ) . </strong>Caruana is first to deviate from their Sinquefield Cup game , playing 7 . O-O instead of Nc6. </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-24T15:08:00.063Z " >3.08pm <span class= " timezone " **29;22515;TOOLONG ... **35;22546;TOOLONG have 1 . e4 e5 2 . Nf3 Nf6 and another Petroff ! </strong> They 're blitzing out the opening and so far it 's identical to their <a href= " http : **34;22583;TOOLONG ... meeting at the Sinquefield Cup</a> . It was former world title challenger Sergey Karjakin who made the ceremonial first move with b4 , which Carlsen left on the board for a tantalizingly long time before going with e4. </p><p lang= " en " dir= " ltr " > " A small suggestion for you , Magnus " ... 1. b4 ! <a href= " https : **33;22619;TOOLONG ... <a href= " https : **27;22654;TOOLONG ? refs ... @theworldchess</a> <a href= " https : //t.co/FuL8VjTDc9 " >pic.twitter ... class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-24T14:49:14.172Z " >2.49pm <span class= " timezone " **29;22683;TOOLONG ... **38;22714;TOOLONG written heaps about today 's Game 11 , Monday 's Game 12 and the prospect of a tie-breaker . </strong> But what comes next ? Our Leonard Barden looks past the world title match in <a href= " https : **33;22754;TOOLONG ... latest column</a>. </p><p>When the match does finally end , the winner will receive the plaudits , the traditional laurel wreath from the new Fide president Arkady Dvorkovich , prize money of ? 600,000 or ? 550,000 ( depending on whether it goes to tie-breaks ) , and a guaranteed minimum two-year reign until the next challenger arrives in 2020 . But what about the loser ? </p><p>For Caruana , it will not be so bad . Having got extremely close and proving himself Carlsen 's equal at match play , he has every incentive to aim for another title shot in 2020 when he will be only 28 years old . His 2832 rating is virtually equal to Carlsen 's 2835 , he can realistically plan to capture the No 1 global rating soon . Carlsen has been top dog in the ratings for seven years and has said that he values No 1 almost as much as the official crown . </p><p> <span>Related : </span><a href= " https : **33;22789;TOOLONG ... approaches for Carlsen and Caruana after 10 draws out of 10</a> </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-24T14:18:48.034Z " >2.18pm <span class= " timezone " **29;22824;TOOLONG ... **38;22855;TOOLONG and welcome to today 's 11th game of the world chess championship between Norway 's Magnus Carlsen and Fabiano Caruana of the United States . </strong> Play resumes today after with the best-of-12-games match deadlocked at 5-all following 10 draws in as many games , no closer to a verdict than when we started . We have , however , borne witness to a bit of history : the longest streak of games to open a match without a decisive result in the recognized 132-year history of world championship matches . **36;22895;TOOLONG **45;22933;TOOLONG ... class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-23T16:24:53.063Z " >4.24pm <span class= " timezone " **29;22980;TOOLONG ... **38;23011;TOOLONG will be here shortly . </strong>In the meantime <a href= " https : **33;23051;TOOLONG ... his report</a> from Thursday 's Game 10. </p><p>The 27-year-old champion from Norway , playing with the black pieces , weathered Caruana 's novel deviation from the Sveshnikov Sicilian ( 12. b4 ) and responded with a bold attacking surprise ( 21. ... b5 ! ) to go for broke on the kingside and briefly take advantages in position and time over the American challenger . </p><p>But one false step ( 44 . ... Kd4 ) while trying to squeeze victory from a seemingly drawish position left the champion on the back foot , where he admitted he was " fortunate " to salvage a half-point after five hours and 19 minutes . </p><p> <span>Related : </span><a href= " https : **33;23086;TOOLONG ... Carlsen admits nerves after high-wire draw with Fabiano Caruana</a> </p> <a href= " https : **33;23121;TOOLONG ... reading ... </a>World Chess Championship 2018ChessFabiano CaruanaMagnus CarlsenSportUS sportsSat , 24 Nov 2018 19:20:49 GMThttp : **37;23156;TOOLONG ... Facundo **26;23195;TOOLONG : Facundo Arrizabalaga/EPABryan Armen **32;23223;TOOLONG Carlsen plays it safe in fizzling Game 11 draw with Fabiano Caruanahttps : **32;23257;TOOLONG ... **25;23291;TOOLONG href= " https : **33;23318;TOOLONG ... and Caruana play to 55-move draw -- as it **45;23353;TOOLONG ... match knotted at 5 ? -all after 11 **33;23400;TOOLONG on opening surprise : ' I just decided to shut it down ' **34;23435;TOOLONG penultimate scheduled contest of Magnus Carlsen 's world championship title defense against Fabiano Caruana fizzled out practically before liftoff on Saturday , ending in a simple two-and-a-quarter-hour draw to leave their best-of-12-games match knotted at 5 ? -all with one game remaining . </p><p> <span>Related : </span><a href= " https : **33;23471;TOOLONG ... Carlsen and Fabiano Caruana play to quiet draw in Game 11 -- live ! </a> **36;23506;TOOLONG **45;23544;TOOLONG ... <a href= " https : **33;23591;TOOLONG ... reading ... </a>World Chess Championship 2018ChessFabiano CaruanaMagnus CarlsenSportUS sportsSat , 24 Nov 2018 19:07:05 GMThttp : **37;23626;TOOLONG ... Facundo **26;23665;TOOLONG : Facundo Arrizabalaga/EPABryan Armen **32;23693;TOOLONG Carlsen and Fabiano Caruana play to thrilling Game 10 draw -- as it happenedhttps : **31;23727;TOOLONG ... **25;23760;TOOLONG href= " https : **33;23787;TOOLONG ... and Caruana play to 54-move draw in 5hr **45;23822;TOOLONG ... match knotted at 5-all after 10 draws **27;23869;TOOLONG class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-22T22:23:52.325Z " >10.23p ... <span class= " timezone " **29;23898;TOOLONG ... **39;23929;TOOLONG Bryan 's <a href= " https : **33;23970;TOOLONG ... off today 's game</a> , which you can replay below . </strong>Be sure to join us on Saturday for minute-by-minute coverage of Game 11. </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-22T20:43:33.915Z " >8.43pm <span class= " timezone " **29;24005;TOOLONG ... **33;24036;TOOLONG " I think at some point I had a big advantage but I could n't see how to play it , " Caruana says . </strong> " I think maybe ( 24. g3 ) was a mistake , but it 's also hard to say . Maybe I had chances after that as well , but it 's always very complicated because he 's attacking me and I always have to deal with a mating attack . So it 's not like I 'm only playing for two results . If I make a mistake I could get mated . " **25;24071;TOOLONG class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-22T20:33:53.837Z " >8.33pm <span class= " timezone " **29;24098;TOOLONG ... **33;24129;TOOLONG " I felt that it was very close to mate . The problem is if I do n't mate I 'm losing , " Carlsen says . </strong> " So I was trying to find some middle ground and my time was running out . I do n't know . I was just so nervous , I could n't make it happen . It ended up just being nothing . " </p><p>The champion is asked about Caruana 's opening novelty ( 12. b4 ) , the first move to deviate from their eighth game . </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-22T20:24:48.997Z " >8.24pm <span class= " timezone " **29;24164;TOOLONG ... **34;24195;TOOLONG quick rush of moves as Carlsen cowers back to the center ( 46 . Ra4+ Ke5 47 . Rab4 Ke6 ) . </strong>Caruana offers a pawn exchange and Carlsen accepts ( 48. c4 dxc4 49 . Rxc4 ) . A few more moves followed by a rook exchange ( 49 . Rxc4 Rdxb6 50 . Rxe4+ Kf7 51 . Rf5+ Rf6 52 . Rxf6+ Kxf6 53 . Kxf3 Kf7 54 . Kg3 ) and the players agree to a draw after five hours and 19 minutes ! </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-22T20:20:10.928Z " >8.20pm <span class= " timezone " **29;24231;TOOLONG ... **40;24262;TOOLONG answers with 45 . Rd6 but it takes him more than 15 minutes to find it . </strong>Caruana has more than twice as much time to work with the next time control not until after move 60. </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-22T20:14:26.406Z " >8.14pm <span class= " timezone " **29;24304;TOOLONG ... **40;24335;TOOLONG moves his king after nearly 14 minutes and Caruana quickly responds with 45 . Rb5. </strong> He 's looking very positive and confident with nearly twice as much time as Carlsen ( who 's already below a quarter hour ) and a suddenly optimistic position . </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-22T20:06:44.376Z " >8.06pm <span class= " timezone " **29;24377;TOOLONG ... **40;24408;TOOLONG elevates the urgency with 45 . Rb5 after a 10-minute think . </strong> If Carlsen had taken the challenger by surprise with 44 . ... Kd4 , then Caruana came close to returning the favor right here . Not least because the American is suddenly pressing ! The champion will need to sacrifice a pawn and be incredibly accurate in defense to hold a draw . </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-22T19:54:16.136Z " >7.54pm <span class= " timezone " **29;24450;TOOLONG ... **40;24481;TOOLONG plays 44 . ... Kd4 after nearly 14 minutes . </strong> He 's clearly grinding for the win . The grandmaster Susan Polgar notes he <a href= " https : **33;24523;TOOLONG ... have exposed his d-pawn</a> in the process . </p><p lang= " en " dir= " ltr " >Carlsen throws Caruana a wobbler with 44 ... Kd4 ! <br>What do you want Your Majesty ? <br>My pawns ? My rooks ? My soul ? </p><p lang= " en " dir= " ltr " >44 ... Kd4 is definitely a live grenade - but it could blow up on either side ! <a href= " https : **33;24558;TOOLONG ... class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-22T19:47:35.358Z " >7.47pm <span class= " timezone " **29;24593;TOOLONG ... **33;24624;TOOLONG " It 's going to be very hard to win with black , " grandmaster Judit Polgar says . </strong> Carlsen has been on the clock for more than 12 minutes now and he 's under a half hour . He grinding his gears trying to find a winning chance from the position , but all options appear drawish. </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-22T19:34:18.852Z " >7.34pm <span class= " timezone " **29;24659;TOOLONG ... **40;24690;TOOLONG moves up the h-rank with 43. ... h6 and Caruana meets him ( 44. h5 ) . </strong> <a href= " https : **33;24732;TOOLONG ... Susan Polgar : " I do not expect Carlsen to just give up , not try , and take a draw . He will try to squeeze this . But I also expect Caruana to put up a fierce defense all the way ! " </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-22T19:23:54.546Z " >7.23pm <span class= " timezone " **29;24767;TOOLONG ... **36;24798;TOOLONG engines have had it dead even for the last 20 moves . </strong>Nothing in the last back-and-forth ( 41 . ... Rc6 42 . Ra6 Ke5 43 . Kg3 ) changes that , but Russian grandmaster Peter Svidler offers a warning : " My hands would be very shaky with white in this position . It 's very , very scary . " </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-22T19:11:33.725Z " >7.11pm <span class= " timezone " **29;24836;TOOLONG ... **36;24867;TOOLONG players are seated again and Caruana opens what feels like the second act with 41. g4. </strong> The position does look ( dare we say ) drawish , but black does have winning chances . And if there 's a chance to slam the door on this match then you can believe the champion , whether <a href= " https : **33;24905;TOOLONG ... Carlsen of three years ago</a> or today 's iteration , will go for it . </p><p lang= " en " dir= " ltr " >The accuracy rate , even in punch-ups like this one , is borderline machine high . Hard to say what it will take to win a game here . A tragic oversight , or shattering nerves ? Armageddon ? <a href= " https : **33;24940;TOOLONG ... class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-22T19:05:17.379Z " >7.05pm <span class= " timezone " **29;24975;TOOLONG ... **36;25006;TOOLONG players scramble toward the time control ( 38 . ... Rc8 39 . Ra3 Kf7 ) as the game enters the fifth hour . </strong>Now Caruana needs to make one more move . He 's down to 30 seconds ... 20 seconds ... 10 seconds . And he finally plays 40 . Kh2 with eight seconds remaining ! Another 50 minutes of time and he immediately springs from his chair to the refreshment area . Carlsen plays 40 . ... Ke6 and joins him . We 've got an empty playing hall for the moment . </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-22T18:58:42.374Z " >6.58pm <span class= " timezone " **29;25044;TOOLONG ... **40;25075;TOOLONG spends about four minutes before playing 36 . Re1. </strong> A queen exchange quickly ensues ( 36 . ... Qxe3 37 . Rxe3 ) followed by 37 ... d5 38. h4 . Both players under two minutes ! **25;25117;TOOLONG class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-22T18:49:39.319Z " >6.49pm <span class= " timezone " **29;25144;TOOLONG ... **40;25175;TOOLONG on the clock after 34 . Rb2 Rb7 35 . Rd1. </strong> The champion is under two minutes . One and a half minutes ... and he plays 35 . ... Qe2 with 1min 11sec on the clock . He 's back to 1min 41sec after the increment . </p><p lang= " en " dir= " ltr " >35 Rd1 Qe2 Caruana is still fine but he has to remain patient and accurate . ? ? <a href= " https : //t.co/5QT54a1BZH " >pic.twitter ... class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-22T18:47:55.608Z " >6.47pm <span class= " timezone " **29;25217;TOOLONG ... **40;25248;TOOLONG under four minutes after 33 . Qe3 Qc4. </strong>Caruana with a little more than eight minutes . Time pressure mounting . Here 's what we 're looking at . </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-22T18:43:00.733Z " >6.43pm <span class= " timezone " **29;25290;TOOLONG ... **40;25321;TOOLONG exchanged after 31 . Qe1 Bxb6 32. axb6 Rab8. </strong> Russia grandmaster Alexander Grischuk does n't spare the rod with Carlsen 's 30 . ... Bd8 , calling it " the worst move of the match " . Adds co-commentator Peter Svidler : " It 's time for black to find a clear draw " . **25;25363;TOOLONG class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-22T18:37:56.250Z " >6.37pm <span class= " timezone " **29;25390;TOOLONG ... **40;25421;TOOLONG and Carlsen are both under 10 minutes after 30 . Rb5 Bd8. </strong> They will both have to make one move per minute including the increment to reach the time control after move 40 ( when they are both given an additional 50 minutes under <a href= " https : **33;25463;TOOLONG ... match regulations</a> ) . </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-22T18:32:48.617Z " >6.32pm <span class= " timezone " **29;25498;TOOLONG ... **34;25529;TOOLONG quick flurry of moves including equal trades of pawns and bishops : 27 . Bf1 Bxf1 28 . Qxf1 Qxd5 29 . Rxb4 Qe6. </strong> Carlsen with the clear upper hand thanks to advantages in position and time . " Magnus may not be winning , " British IM Thomas Rendle <a href= " https : **33;25565;TOOLONG ... " but every serious chessplayer would pick Black here . " </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-22T18:21:43.150Z " >6.21pm <span class= " timezone " **29;25600;TOOLONG ... **40;25631;TOOLONG digs in ( 26 . Rg1 ) , Carlsen pushes forward ( 26. ... f3 ) . </strong> And as the American ponders his move , he 's officially fallen behind Carlsen on the clock . Here 's what we 're looking at . **25;25673;TOOLONG class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-22T18:14:01.623Z " >6.14pm <span class= " timezone " **29;25700;TOOLONG ... **40;25731;TOOLONG plays 25 . Rb3 but spends more than 10 minutes on it . </strong> He 's going to need to be faster in this critical period . Carlsen needs only two minutes to hit back with 25 . ... Bh3 . Time pressure mounting for both players . </p><p lang= " en " dir= " ltr " >This game could end in a draw still - but can we agree now , once and for all , this is not a dull match in need of ' fixing ' somehow ? ! This is brutal , top-level chess at it 's very best . <a href= " https : **33;25773;TOOLONG ... class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-22T18:07:20.887Z " >6.07pm <span class= " timezone " **29;25808;TOOLONG ... **40;25839;TOOLONG plays 24. ... b4. </strong> That leaves him with 17min 29sec to make his next 15 moves before the players are given an additional 50 minutes after move 40 . Caruana on 29 minutes ( and counting ) as he ponders his 25th move . Sesse <a href= " http : //analysis.sesse.net/ " >has it dead even</a>. </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-22T17:59:18.218Z " >5.59pm <span class= " timezone " **29;25881;TOOLONG ... **40;25912;TOOLONG plays 24. g3 after more than 18 minutes . </strong> It 's not exactly a crowd-pleaser , but it makes sense . Time is becoming a mounting factor . " I do n't see how this can really be drawn , " Nakamura says . " Someone 's going to win and someone 's going to lose . " </p><p lang= " en " dir= " ltr " >This is why I tried to explain and many fans simply refuse to believe . When players are in immense pressure , they start to see things that are not there . Nerves can play tricks in humans ' minds . If Caruana is playing a 2000 player , he would not hesitate to capture on b5. <a href= " https : //t.co/rKFtT9Reuw " >pic.twitter ... class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-22T17:49:07.567Z " >5.49pm <span class= " timezone " **29;25954;TOOLONG ... **35;25985;TOOLONG now the $64,000 question is will Caruana capture Carlsen 's pawn on b5. </strong> Susan Polgar says it 's a <a href= " https : **33;26022;TOOLONG ... and premature</a> . A critical point in the game and the match . Caruana has been pondering and calculating for more than 15 minutes and his time advantage is down to nothing . " You 've just got to go for it , " American grandmaster Hikaru Nakamura says . " There 's nothing else you can do in this position . " </p><p lang= " en " dir= " ltr " >After 23 ... Qg5 , you need to have vibranium running through your veins to play 24 . Bxb5 in game ten of the world championship . </p><p lang= " en " dir= " ltr " >By the way I 'd be terrified to play 24 . Bxb5 here but what 's the alternative ? Might as well grab the pawn if we 're under attack ! <a href= " https : **33;26057;TOOLONG ... lang= " en " dir= " ltr " >All Norwegian fans are praying that Caruana will not take the bluff and not play Bxb5 ! ? ? <a href= " https : //t.co/EOpMdNOIti " >pic.twitter ... class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-22T17:40:08.958Z " >5.40pm <span class= " timezone " **29;26092;TOOLONG ... **40;26123;TOOLONG plays 22 . Nb6 after 14 minutes , but he 's still more than an a quarter hour ahead on the clock . </strong> After a knight exchange ( 22 . ... Nxb6 23 . Bxb6 ) , Carlsen expends another six minutes before continuing the attack with 23 . ... Qg5 . Interestingly , that swings the advantage dramatically to white <a href= " http : //analysis.sesse.net/ " >accordin ... to Sesse</a>. </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-22T17:16:15.163Z " >5.16pm <span class= " timezone " **29;26165;TOOLONG ... **36;26196;TOOLONG 21. ... b5 is on the board ! </strong> Surprise ! Carlsen spent 15 minutes before playing a move that no one saw coming . It sacrifices a pawn but in doing so removes a rook that 's been confounding black 's attacking ideas . He immediately springs from his chair and walks to the snack and refreshment area . Surely he 's pushing for a win today ! </p><p lang= " en " dir= " ltr " > ... b5 ! The crowd goes crazy ! That 's the way chess should be played . <a href= " https : **33;26234;TOOLONG ... lang= " und " dir= " ltr " >21. ... b5 ! <a href= " https : **33;26269;TOOLONG ... <a href= " https : //t.co/mJTaKDraDS " >pic.twitter ... class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-22T17:07:49.362Z " >5.07pm <span class= " timezone " **29;26304;TOOLONG ... **40;26335;TOOLONG advances his pawn 20. ... e4 after about 17 minutes , furthering his kingside initiative . </strong> Caruana immediately responds with 21 . Kh1 to escape a potential pin . Here 's what we 're looking at . " The game is very sharp , and it 's not what Magnus likes , " Garry Kasparov <a href= " https : **33;26377;TOOLONG ... " Because now he has to make some tough choices which is not typically his style . " </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-22T16:41:03.786Z " >4.41pm <span class= " timezone " **29;26412;TOOLONG ... **40;26443;TOOLONG brings out his queen with 19 . ... Qg6 , threatening an kingside attack . </strong> Caruana is going to think about this one for a bit . After nearly a quarter hour , he decides on 20 . Bc7. <a href= " http : //analysis.sesse.net/ " >Sesse< ... does not like that move for white , throwing a significant advantage to Carlsen for the first time today . </p><p lang= " en " dir= " ltr " >Well , Carlsen 's plan is pretty clear . The idea is Nf6 , e4 &amp ; trying to do something on the K side . Not sure what is Caruana 's plan with 19 . Ra3 especially when there are no square for the Rook in the K side . That was a curious move for me . I guess we just have to wait and see ! <a href= " https : //t.co/7ZxsQ3BRZI " >pic.twitter ... lang= " en " dir= " ltr " >Complications , slowing pace , building tension . Shaping up for another nervy duel . The big question is whether that is enough to break the deadlock . </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-22T16:29:23.640Z " >4.29pm <span class= " timezone " **29;26485;TOOLONG ... **39;26516;TOOLONG positions for both players . </strong>Carlsen has been on the clock for more than 10 minutes since Caruana 's 19 . Ra3 , which is a move the engines did not like one bit . The Norwegian supercomputer Sesse , running Stockfish , assesses the position after it had hovered above +0.50 since move 14. **25;26557;TOOLONG class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-22T16:13:19.009Z " >4.13pm <span class= " timezone " **29;26584;TOOLONG ... **40;26615;TOOLONG plays 18 . ... Qe8 and Caruana is back in the tank again . </strong>More than 17 minutes pass before the American opts for 19 . Ra3 . The players are just about level on time . </p><p lang= " en " dir= " ltr " > " In terms of chess understanding , this is what I would assess we are the most different on ; he values the centre a lot , " said Carlsen of Caruana before their London world title match . In game 10 , Carlsen has the centre but Caruana has the edge . </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-22T15:54:17.039Z " >3.54pm <span class= " timezone " **29;26657;TOOLONG ... **40;26688;TOOLONG plays **31;26730;TOOLONG . Bb6 **34;26763;TOOLONG spending eight minutes weighing his response to 17. ... f4. </strong> It 's his longest think of the day . It 's unclear if he 's out of his prep or just using some of his time advantage to make sure he 's precise . The Dutch grandmaster Anish Giri has an interesting theory : " You know what 's a bad sign for Magnus ? A bad sign is that Fabi is thinking . It means the move is not suggested by the computer . It shows the move is probably not good . " </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-22T15:45:05.272Z " >3.45pm <span class= " timezone " **29;26799;TOOLONG ... **40;26830;TOOLONG establishing space advantage on the queenside and the potential for counterplay with 15 . ... Ra8 16 . Be3 f5 17. a5 f4. </strong> He 's more than 20 minutes ahead on the clock with more time than he started with thanks to the 30-second increment after each move . </p><p lang= " en " dir= " ltr " >The position after 17 moves already looks like it could be a lot of fun . <a href= " https : **33;26872;TOOLONG ... <a href= " https : //t.co/NokjcgIXRe " >pic.twitter ... class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-22T15:32:53.417Z " >3.32pm <span class= " timezone " **29;26907;TOOLONG ... **40;26938;TOOLONG finally answers with 12. ... a6. </strong> Caruana , moving quickly , is still in his home prep after 13 . Na3 a5 14. bxa5 Rxa5 15 . Nc4 . Carlsen thinking hard on every response . </p><p lang= " en " dir= " ltr " >13 ... a5 14. bxa5 Rxa5 15 . Nc4 Carlsen is OK in this position . The problem is it is so concrete , which is not Carlsen 's strength , and Caruana is clearly in his preparation . So it is like fighting with your hands tied . <a href= " https : //t.co/gHou3YbVz7 " >pic.twitter ... class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-22T15:22:49.916Z " >3.22pm <span class= " timezone " **29;26980;TOOLONG ... **36;27011;TOOLONG Caruana 's 12. b4 has taken Carlsen by surprise ! </strong>The champion has been on the clock for nearly 10 minutes . And he does n't look particularly happy about it . </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-22T15:13:50.130Z " >3.13pm <span class= " timezone " **29;27049;TOOLONG ... **36;27080;TOOLONG parallel lines extend for their first 11 moves ( 6 . Ndb5 d6 7 . Nd5 Nxd5 8. exd5 Nb8 9. a4 Be7 10 . Be2 O-O 11 . O-O Nd7 ) . </strong>And it 's Caruana who deviates first , tossing in a novelty with 12. b4. </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-22T15:07:51.141Z " >3.07pm <span class= " timezone " **29;27118;TOOLONG ... **36;27149;TOOLONG we 're off with 1 . e4 c5 2 . Nf3 Nc6 3. d4 cxd4 4 . Nxd4. </strong> We 're into the Sicilian and it 's not the Rossolimo . And with 4 . ... Nf6 5 . Nc3 e5 , we 're into the Sveshnikov variation . This is the same line as Game 8. **25;27187;TOOLONG class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-22T14:19:55.444Z " >2.19pm <span class= " timezone " **29;27214;TOOLONG ... **38;27245;TOOLONG and welcome to Game 10 of the World Chess Championship between Norway 's Magnus Carlsen and Fabiano Caruana of the United States . </strong>We 're looking at a 4 ? -all deadlock after nine games in 13 days , no closer to a verdict than when we started . We have , however , borne witness to a bit of history : The nine straight draws represent the longest streak of games to open a match without a decisive result in the recognized 132-year history of world championship matches . **36;27285;TOOLONG **45;27323;TOOLONG ... class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-22T13:37:29.069Z " >1.37pm <span class= " timezone " **29;27370;TOOLONG ... **38;27401;TOOLONG will be here shortly . </strong>In the meantime <a href= " https : **33;27441;TOOLONG ... his report</a> from Wednesday 's ninth game . </p><p>A freshly bruised Magnus Carlsen came dangerously close to landing a decisive blow in Wednesday 's ninth game of his tightly wound defense of the world chess championship against <a href= " https : **33;27476;TOOLONG ... Caruana</a> in London , until a moment of impatience allowed his opponent off the hook and left the best-of-12-games match no closer to resolution in a 4 ? -all deadlock . </p><p>The 27-year-old champion , <a href= " https : **33;27511;TOOLONG ... a bandage over a black eye</a> absorbed in a collision with a Norwegian journalist during a kickabout on Tuesday 's rest day , harried the American challenger out of his preparation early and pushed him to the brink of disaster in the middlegame , but one rushed misstep gifted Caruana the slack he required to hold for a 58-move draw with three classical games remaining and the gnawing spectre of a tie-breaker looming ever larger . </p><p> <span>Related : </span><a href= " https : **33;27546;TOOLONG ... blew it ' : Bruised Magnus Carlsen rues Game 9 draw with Fabiano Caruana</a> </p> <a href= " https : **33;27581;TOOLONG ... reading ... </a>World Chess Championship 2018ChessMagnus CarlsenFabiano CaruanaSportUS sportsThu , 22 Nov 2018 22:23:52 GMThttp : **37;27616;TOOLONG ... Facundo **26;27655;TOOLONG : Facundo Arrizabalaga/EPABryan Armen **32;27683;TOOLONG Carlsen admits nerves after high-wire draw with Fabiano Caruanahttps : **32;27717;TOOLONG ... **25;27751;TOOLONG href= " https : **33;27778;TOOLONG ... and Caruana play to 54-move draw -- as it **45;27813;TOOLONG ... title match knotted at 5-all after 10 **42;27860;TOOLONG Carlsen confessed to nerves after holding on for a high-wire draw with Fabiano Caruana on Thursday in the marathon 10th game of their world championship showdown , which left the best-of-12-games match in a 5-all deadlock with two contests remaining . </p><p> <span>Related : </span><a href= " https : **33;27904;TOOLONG ... Carlsen and Fabiano Caruana play to thrilling Game 10 draw -- live ! </a> **36;27939;TOOLONG **45;27977;TOOLONG ... <a href= " https : **33;28024;TOOLONG ... reading ... </a>World Chess Championship 2018ChessFabiano CaruanaMagnus CarlsenSportUS sportsThu , 22 Nov 2018 22:13:11 GMThttp : **37;28059;TOOLONG ... Facundo **26;28098;TOOLONG : Facundo Arrizabalaga/EPABryan Armen **32;28126;TOOLONG Carlsen misses winning chance in Game 9 draw with Fabiano Caruana -- as it happenedhttps : **31;28160;TOOLONG ... **25;28193;TOOLONG href= " https : **33;28220;TOOLONG ... and Caruana play to 58-move draw in Game 9 of title **45;28255;TOOLONG ... match still deadlocked at 4 ? -all after nine **35;28302;TOOLONG impatient 25. h5 allows Caruana to hold for peaceful **32;28339;TOOLONG href= " https : **33;28373;TOOLONG ... World Chess Championship is thrilling . But where are the women ? **37;28408;TOOLONG class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-22T14:45:10.621Z " >2.45pm <span class= " timezone " **29;28447;TOOLONG ... </p><p> <span>Related : </span><a href= " https : **33;28478;TOOLONG ... Carlsen v Fabiano Caruana : World Chess Championship , Game 10 -- live ! </a> </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-21T20:12:14.878Z " >8.12pm <span class= " timezone " **29;28513;TOOLONG ... **37;28544;TOOLONG games , nine draws . </strong> We 're no closer to a verdict than when we started . Here 's the <a href= " https : **33;28583;TOOLONG ... report from today 's game</a> . And be sure to join us tomorrow for minute-by-minute coverage of Game 10. </p><p> <span>Related : </span><a href= " https : **33;28618;TOOLONG ... blew it ' : Bruised Magnus Carlsen rues Game 9 draw with Fabiano Caruana</a> </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-21T19:36:53.278Z " >7.36pm <span class= " timezone " **29;28653;TOOLONG ... **33;28684;TOOLONG " I was very happy with the opening , obviously , " Carlsen says during the post-game press conference . </strong> " You can not expect more than what I had for sure . " </p><p>The champion says he had " mixed feelings " about 27 . Bf3 : " On one hand it leads to a very comfortable advantage . On the other hand , as Fabiano said , it simplifies the game quite a lot . I felt like I was n't in time to do everything that I wanted . I just think ( 25. h5 ) was a a mistake . " </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-21T19:13:34.727Z " >7.13pm <span class= " timezone " **29;28719;TOOLONG ... **40;28750;TOOLONG is asked about the looming specter of a tiebreak next Wednesday if the next three games end in draws . </strong> The Norwegian , who in addition to his No 1 ranking is the world 's top rated rapid player and top rated blitz player ( compared to Caruana 's respective ratings of No 8 and No 16 ) , will be a heavy favorite if the match ends 6-all and goes to the tie-breaker , which consists of a series of matches under tighter time controls . Simply put , it 's been 13 years since Carlsen lost a tiebreak. </p><p> " I 'm really not thinking about the tiebreak now , " the American says . " If we get there then I 'll start to think about it , but there 's still a lot of chess to be played . " </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-21T18:44:34.088Z " >6.44pm <span class= " timezone " **29;28792;TOOLONG ... **33;28823;TOOLONG " I felt like I had a comfortable advantage and then I just blew it , " a clearly disappointed Carlsen says . </strong> " I was poor . " **26;28858;TOOLONG is asked whether his eye injury from yesterday 's kickabout had any effect on today 's game . </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-21T18:42:04.428Z " >6.42pm <span class= " timezone " **29;28886;TOOLONG ... **33;28917;TOOLONG " He was prepared quite deeply up until ( 17 . Qd1 ) , " Caruana says . </strong> " He knew what was going on and then I had to start groveling . I did n't really want to go for this position with opposite-colored bishops but I did n't see a choice . Other things were a bit unpleasant but my drawing chances were really high . " </p><p>The challenger adds : " I did n't at any point feel like my position was much worse , I just felt it was slightly worse . " </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-21T18:36:22.162Z " >6.36pm <span class= " timezone " **29;28952;TOOLONG ... **36;28983;TOOLONG players shake hands after consenting to a draw after 58 moves and three and a half hours . </strong>No progress after the last back-and-forth ( 50 . Bh3 Be3 51 . Kc6 Bb6 52 . Kd5 Ba7 53 . Ke4 Bb6 54 . Bf1 Ke6 55 . Bc4+ Kf6 56 . Bd3 Ke6 ) . We are no closer to a verdict after today 's action with the best-of-12-games deadlocked at 4 ? -all after nine draws . </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-21T18:29:04.349Z " >6.29pm <span class= " timezone " **29;29021;TOOLONG ... **38;29052;TOOLONG more moves and no progress . This is a draw . </strong> The moves , for the record : 41. a6 Bd4 42 . Kg2 Kf6 43. f4 Bb6 44 . Kf3 h6 45 . Ke4 Ba7 46 . Bg4 Bg1 47 . Kd5 Bb6 48 . Kc6 Be3 49 . Kb7 Bb6. </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-21T18:12:04.384Z " >6.12pm <span class= " timezone " **29;29092;TOOLONG ... **35;29123;TOOLONG should be expecting a handshake soon after the next sequence of moves forces a queen exchange ( 36 . ... Qxh4 37. a4 Qf6 38 . Bd1 Qe5 39 . Qxe5+ Bxe5 ) . </strong> The players gain an additional 50 minutes on their clocks after their 40th moves ( 40. a5 Kg7 ) . Another peaceful result forthcoming . **25;29160;TOOLONG class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-21T18:01:56.919Z " >6.01pm <span class= " timezone " **29;29187;TOOLONG ... **34;29218;TOOLONG quick flurry of moves : 31 . ... Bc5 32 . Rg1 Rxg1+ 33 . Kxg1 Bd6 34 . Qa4 f4 35 . Qxa7 fxe3 36 . Qxe3. </strong> The position looks drawish but Caruana has less than 10 minutes to make his next four moves before the time control . </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-21T17:51:53.943Z " >5.51pm <span class= " timezone " **29;29254;TOOLONG ... **34;29285;TOOLONG completely equal position after 29 . ... Rg8+ 30 . Kh1 Qf6 31 . Qf4. </strong> If both played make all the right moves from here , we should be looking at a draw that would represent a record in the centuries-spanning annals of world championship matches . </p><p lang= " en " dir= " ltr " >Please note that both players in <a href= " https : **33;29321;TOOLONG ... can become historic if they draw today . Could become first time with 9 draws at the start of the WCh-match . Kasparov-Anand ' 95 started with 8. <a href= " https : **33;29356;TOOLONG ... lang= " en " dir= " ltr " >29 ... Rg8+ 30 . Kh1 Qf6 Caruana tries to seal the weak diagonal where his King is hiding in . The position is equal . Carlsen will push but it will be a draw . All the noises will lead to ... nothing , still draw <a href= " https : //t.co/djgDjX2jDB " >pic.twitter ... class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-21T17:46:52.303Z " >5.46pm <span class= " timezone " **29;29391;TOOLONG ... **40;29422;TOOLONG has taken more time on his last couple of moves and the rook exchange would seem to keep the draw closer : 27 . Bf3 h4 28 . Rxd8 Rxd8 29. gxh4. </strong> But the champion 's choice to keep the queens on the board indicates he still believes in a winning chance . A bit risky but we are here for it . The <a href= " http : //analysis.sesse.net/ " >supercom ... has it dead even</a>. </p><p lang= " en " dir= " ltr " >29 gxh4 The correct recapture . The position is equal . But as you can see , it is slightly easier for humans to play on the White side as Black has weaker pawns and White King is a little safer . But still should be a draw unless someone makes a colossal mistake . <a href= " https : //t.co/kwgRyOXGa1 " >pic.twitter ... lang= " en " dir= " ltr " >Very happy with the level of excitement in this match but starting to be disappointed by the quality at times . Both players are very nervous when ahead ! <a href= " https : **33;29464;TOOLONG ... class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-21T17:10:12.473Z " >5.10pm <span class= " timezone " **29;29499;TOOLONG ... **34;29530;TOOLONG sound response by Caruana with 26. ... f5. </strong>The computer seems to confirm that Carlsen rushed it with 25. h5 . The challenger is not out of the woods yet , but Carlsen appears to have let him off the hook . Says Peter Svidler : " He 's just not playing his best chess . " </p><p lang= " en " dir= " ltr " >h5 by Carlsen shows that his one greatest asset- his incredible patience , has now gone <a href= " https : **33;29566;TOOLONG ... class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-21T17:00:21.005Z " >5.00pm <span class= " timezone " **29;29601;TOOLONG ... **40;29632;TOOLONG accepts the h-pawn ( 25. ... gxh5 ) . </strong>Carlsen quickly answers with 26 . Qc4 . The time pressure continues to mount for the challenger , who is under a half hour . That gives him less than 30 minutes to make his next 15 moves . Says Nakamura : " If he does n't find the right moves here , he 's just going to lose . " </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-21T16:55:55.955Z " >4.55pm <span class= " timezone " **29;29674;TOOLONG ... **40;29705;TOOLONG offers a pawn with 25. h5 , drawing criticism from both the computers and the pundits . </strong> It wipes away nearly all of his advantage <a href= " http : //analysis.sesse.net/ " >per Stockfish</a> , while Nakamura calls it a " strange move " in the commentary booth . " It feels a little bit premature to me , " the American grandmaster says . " It 's a peculiar choice by Magnus . " </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-21T16:51:48.238Z " >4.51pm <span class= " timezone " **29;29747;TOOLONG ... **40;29778;TOOLONG spends another 10 minutes before playing 23 . ... Qe7. </strong> Carlsen , with time to burn , takes six minutes before answering with 24. h4 . Caruana immediately comes back with 24. ... g6 . The American IM Greg Shahade likes the Norwegian 's chances to break through from here . </p><p lang= " en " dir= " ltr " >I will be super impressed if Fabiano is able to hold this . But at the moment I think Carlsen has great chances to win . <a href= " https : **33;29820;TOOLONG ... class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-21T16:39:33.408Z " >4.39pm <span class= " timezone " **29;29855;TOOLONG ... **40;29886;TOOLONG is under pressure with Carlsen 's advantage still intact after 21 . ... Qe5 22 . Bxb7 Rad8 23 . Rad1. </strong> The American has just gone under 40 minutes , more than 50 minutes behind his opponent . </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-21T16:28:04.722Z " >4.28pm <span class= " timezone " **29;29928;TOOLONG ... **38;29959;TOOLONG materials exchanged after 18 Qb3+ Kh8 19 . Bxf3 Nxd4 20 . Bxd4 Qxd4 21. e3. </strong> White slightly better according to the engines and Polgar. </p><p lang= " en " dir= " ltr " >21. e3 += Slight advantage for Carlsen <a href= " https : //t.co/34QBQg9EeN " >pic.twitter ... class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-21T16:22:25.178Z " >4.22pm <span class= " timezone " **29;29999;TOOLONG ... **40;30030;TOOLONG responds with the drastic and potentially dubious 17 . ... Bxf3. </strong> Maybe we should tack a ! ? on it . The evaluation engine spikes from 0.00 to +0.83 to Carlsen . It 's caused the grandmaster Anish Giri to <a href= " https : **33;30072;TOOLONG ... drop his cup of tea</a> , while Susan Polgar <a href= " https : **33;30107;TOOLONG ... " This move does not smell good . " <a href= " https : **33;30142;TOOLONG ... Russian grandmaster Peter Svidler : " It 's an incredible curious choice to take on f3 here , even if you think you will eventually hold this . In general you are giving Magnus exactly what he wants from this game . A stable advantage forever with no way to completely equalize. " </p><p lang= " en " dir= " ltr " >Carlsen finally got an advantage after the opening with white , shown not only on the board , but also by his 50 minute lead on the clock after just 17 moves . This should be exciting . <a href= " https : **33;30177;TOOLONG ... <a href= " https : //t.co/uDrxWucZuT " >pic.twitter ... class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-21T16:08:03.007Z " >4.08pm <span class= " timezone " **29;30212;TOOLONG ... **36;30243;TOOLONG good news for Caruana is the <a href= " http : //analysis.sesse.net/ " >Sesse supercomputer</a> indicates that black has equalized . </strong> The bad news is he 's spent another 12 minutes ( and counting ) considering his response to 17 . Qd1 . He 's below 50 minutes and nearly an hour behind Carlsen on move 17. </p><p lang= " en " dir= " ltr " >If we consider the clock the 33rd piece in chess , Carlsen 's opening has been a major success . On the board he may not have much , but it is a strategically complex position where Caruana may burn a lot of time , and where there is no easy simplification in sight <a href= " https : **33;30281;TOOLONG ... class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-21T15:58:29.255Z " >3.58pm <span class= " timezone " **29;30316;TOOLONG ... **40;30347;TOOLONG expends another eight minutes before taking Carlsen 's d-pawn and the champion immediately accepts the trade ( 14 ... exd4 15. cxd4 ) . </strong>Caruana threatens white 's queen with his bishop ( 15 . ... Be4 ) and Carlsen escapes while putting black in check ( 16 . Qb3 ) . Caruana intervenes with his bishop ( 16 . ... Bd5 ) and Carlsen retreats ( 17 . Qd1 ) . The American is more than 40 minutes behind on time . Caruana has nearly four more minutes than what he started with due to the 30-second increment after each move . </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-21T15:47:30.976Z " >3.47pm <span class= " timezone " **29;30389;TOOLONG ... **40;30420;TOOLONG finally decides on 13 . ... Bd5 after 21 minutes . </strong> Carlsen responds in 72 seconds with 14 . Qc2 . He 's moving quickly as Caruana finds himself more than a half hour behind on the clock already . </p><p lang= " en " dir= " ltr " >Surprisingly , Carlsen immediately responded with 14 . Qc2 . Now Caruana is thinking again . This is a mental game by Carlsen . He wants Caruana to think and believe that he is in Carlsen 's home prep . This is a normal practice in World Championship play . Mind games ! <a href= " https : //t.co/jWdXYgwpzu " >pic.twitter ... class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-21T15:42:30.460Z " >3.42pm <span class= " timezone " **29;30462;TOOLONG ... **40;30493;TOOLONG is in the tank on move 13. </strong> He 's been weighing his response to Carlsen 's 13. d4 for more than 20 minutes now . Out of prep , it seems . </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-21T15:23:29.628Z " >3.23pm <span class= " timezone " **29;30535;TOOLONG ... **40;30566;TOOLONG spends nearly 10 minutes before coming back with 12 . ... Bb6. </strong> Carlsen needs only seconds to attack the center with 13. d4 and the American is taking his time again . Carlsen 's wounded eye looking perfectly fine in the playing hall . </p><p lang= " en " dir= " ltr " >In 130 years of world chess championships , this is the only time you can say these words : the world champion has a black eye . <a href= " https : //t.co/HJqTI00YFL " >pic.twitter ... lang= " en " dir= " ltr " >The game is strategically complex and white is still in book . I think team Magnus is happy here . <a href= " https : **33;30608;TOOLONG ... class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-21T15:21:43.447Z " >3.21pm <span class= " timezone " **29;30643;TOOLONG ... **35;30674;TOOLONG seems Carlsen is trying to take Caruana out of book with 9 . Bg5. </strong> But the challenger answers quickly with 9 . ... Nxc3 . Caruana responding with pace over the next couple of moves ( 10. bxc3 f6 11 . Bc1 Be6 ) , but Carlsen 's 12 . Bb2 prompts the first long think of the match . He 's been pondering the position for the last eight minutes ( and counting ) . </p><p lang= " en " dir= " ltr " >12 Bb2 Interesting retreat with the Bishop . There are 2 reasons for this : keep the d2 square open for a potential Knight-maneuver with Nf3-d2-c4 and try to employ the Bishop via a3 after advancing the pawn to a4. <a href= " https : //t.co/Ihc9nq2Y5Z " >pic.twitter ... class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-21T15:12:26.887Z " >3.12pm <span class= " timezone " **29;30711;TOOLONG ... **36;30742;TOOLONG geographically appropriate English Opening is on the board ( 1 . c4 ) ! </strong> This is the same opening as the <a href= " https : **33;30780;TOOLONG ... game</a> and the parallel lines extend for Carlsen 's first eight moves ( 1 . c4 e5 2 . Nc3 Nf6 3 . Nf3 Nc6 4. g3 d5 5. cxd5 Nxd5 6 . Bg2 Bc5 7 . O-O O-O 8. d3 Re8 ) until he deviates with 9 . Bg5 . This is a bit of a surprise because Carlsen had only played the English once in <a href= " http : **34;30815;TOOLONG ... previous classical games</a> with Caruana enter Game 4 and he did n't really get much from it in that contest . </p><p lang= " en " dir= " ltr " >Daniel Weil , partner at <a href= " https : //twitter.com/pentagram ? refsrc=t ... @pentagram</a> , the world 's largest independently owned design studio , and designer of the chess board , made the First Move today <a href= " https : **33;30851;TOOLONG ... <a href= " https : **33;30886;TOOLONG ... <a href= " https : **33;30921;TOOLONG ... <a href= " https : **33;30956;TOOLONG ... <a href= " https : //t.co/FEkd185Fb3 " >pic.twitter ... class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-21T14:57:22.737Z " >2.57pm <span class= " timezone " **29;30991;TOOLONG ... **40;31022;TOOLONG had an eventful rest day . </strong> Sparring with Anthony Joshua ? Not exactly . The champion 's doctor Dr Brede Kvisvik <a href= " https : **33;31064;TOOLONG ... Norwegian broadcaster NRK</a> that Carlsen picked up a shiner and sustained a minor head injury in a collision while having a kickabout . " There 's no concussion , as we had feared , " Kvisvik said . </p><p>Brede said Carlsen otherwise was fine , and the cut he also sustained " is n't so big that we need to do anything with it . " No stitches were necessary and ice was applied to ward off swelling . " If he has any vision problems , then it can be difficult , " Brede added , but he claimed Carlsen 's brain was " functioning just as well " as always . </p><p>The doctor thus did n't think Carlsen would need to call in sick for the ninth game in a championship that remains even against challenger Fabiano Caruana . The two players have tied every single round they 've played and currently stand at 4-4. </p><p style= " margin:8px 0 0 0 ; padding:0 4px ; " > <a href= " https : **33;31099;TOOLONG ... style= " color : #000 ; font-family:Arial , sans-serif ; font-size:14px ; font-style:normal ; font-weight:normal ; line-height:17px ; text-decoration:none ; word-wrap:break-word ; " target= " blank " >The match is heating **27;31134;TOOLONG class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-21T14:45:58.716Z " >2.45pm <span class= " timezone " **29;31163;TOOLONG ... **42;31194;TOOLONG best winning chance of the match so far came in Monday 's eighth game . </strong> The challenger had the Carlsen down nearly an hour on the clock and facing a shaky position in the middlegame . His advantage per the <a href= " http : //analysis.sesse.net/ " >Stockfis ... evaluation engine</a> had ballooned to +2.45 after 22. ... dxc5 and was a still-formidable +1.95 after 23 . ... Bd6 . " For sure this was the moment that I was most worried , " Carlsen would later say . </p><p>But the American 's prophylactic response ( 24. h3 ? ! ) to Carlsen 's 23 . ... Bd6 cost him a tempo , all but wiped out his advantage on the computer and allowed Carlsen back into the game . </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-21T14:33:53.642Z " >2.33pm <span class= " timezone " **29;31238;TOOLONG ... **38;31269;TOOLONG and welcome to London for today 's ninth game of the world chess championship between Norway 's Magnus Carlsen and Fabiano Caruana of the United States . </strong> Play resumes today after with the best-of-12-games match deadlocked at 4-all following eight draws in as many games . **36;31309;TOOLONG **45;31347;TOOLONG ... **45;31394;TOOLONG ... class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-21T12:43:17.744Z " >12.43p ... <span class= " timezone " **29;31441;TOOLONG ... **38;31472;TOOLONG will be here shortly . </strong> In the meantime <a href= " https : **33;31512;TOOLONG ... his report from Monday 's eighth game</a> , where Carlsen admitted he was " happy to survive " after getting pushed to the limit by his dogged American challenger . </p><p> <span>Related : </span><a href= " https : **33;31547;TOOLONG ... Carlsen springs Game 8 escape thanks to Fabiano Caruana 's false step</a> </p> <a href= " https : **33;31582;TOOLONG ... reading ... </a>World Chess Championship 2018ChessFabiano CaruanaSportUS sportsMagnus CarlsenWed , 21 Nov 2018 20:12:14 GMThttp : **37;31617;TOOLONG ... Facundo **26;31656;TOOLONG : Facundo Arrizabalaga/EPABryan Armen **28;31684;TOOLONG blew it ' : Bruised Magnus Carlsen rues Game 9 draw with Fabiano Caruanahttps : **32;31714;TOOLONG ... **25;31748;TOOLONG href= " https : **33;31775;TOOLONG ... misses winning chance in Game 9 -- as it **42;31810;TOOLONG concussion ' : Carlsen 's physician downplays eye **43;31854;TOOLONG match knotted at 4 ? -all after nine **37;31899;TOOLONG freshly bruised Magnus Carlsen came dangerously close to landing a decisive blow in Wednesday 's ninth game of his tightly wound defense of the world chess championship against Fabiano Caruana in London , until a moment of impatience allowed his opponent off the hook and left the best-of-12-games match no closer to resolution in a 4 ? -all deadlock . </p><p> <span>Related : </span><a href= " https : **33;31938;TOOLONG ... Carlsen misses winning chance in Game 9 draw with Fabiano Caruana -- live ! </a> **36;31973;TOOLONG **45;32011;TOOLONG ... <span>Related : </span><a href= " https : **33;32058;TOOLONG ... World Chess Championship is thrilling . But where are the women ? Alisha **26;32093;TOOLONG </p><p style= " margin:8px 0 0 0 ; padding:0 4px ; " > <a href= " https : **33;32121;TOOLONG ... style= " color : #000 ; font-family:Arial , sans-serif ; font-size:14px ; font-style:normal ; font-weight:normal ; line-height:17px ; text-decoration:none ; word-wrap:break-word ; " target= " blank " >The match is heating up</a></p> <a href= " https : **33;32156;TOOLONG ... reading ... </a>World Chess Championship 2018ChessMagnus CarlsenFabiano CaruanaSportUS sportsWed , 21 Nov 2018 20:08:08 GMThttp : **37;32191;TOOLONG ... Facundo **26;32230;TOOLONG : Facundo Arrizabalaga/EPABryan Armen **32;32258;TOOLONG Carlsen saves draw as Fabiano Caruana falters in Game 8 -- as it happenedhttps : **31;32292;TOOLONG ... **25;32325;TOOLONG href= " https : **33;32352;TOOLONG ... saves 38-move draw from unpleasant position in Game **37;32387;TOOLONG href= " https : **33;32426;TOOLONG ... Carlsen ' way too soft ' in Game 7</a> ( <a href= " https : **33;32461;TOOLONG ... move-by-move recap</a> ) **27;32496;TOOLONG class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-19T20:14:54.315Z " >8.14pm <span class= " timezone " **29;32525;TOOLONG ... **38;32556;TOOLONG straight draws and a 4-all deadlock . </strong> Will Wednesday finally be the day for a decisive result ? We 'll soon find out . Be sure to join us then for more minute-by-minute coverage . </p><p> <span>Related : </span><a href= " https : **33;32596;TOOLONG ... Carlsen springs Game 8 escape thanks to Fabiano Caruana 's false step</a> </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-19T20:05:02.206Z " >8.05pm <span class= " timezone " **29;32631;TOOLONG ... **38;32662;TOOLONG inching closer to a potential tie-breaker , where Carlsen will be a considerable favorite in a series of matches under shorter time controls . </strong> After all the Norwegian is the world 's No 1 rapid player and No 1 blitz player ( compared to Caruana 's respective ratings of No 8 and No 16 ) . He 's also got experience on the stage having <a href= " https : **33;32702;TOOLONG ... the title in the tie-break stage against Sergey Karjakin</a> two years ago in New York . But he believes there 's plenty of road to go when asked about it . </p><p> " If it gets to the tie-breaker I 'm going to take it and try and make the most of it , " Carlsen says . " There 's a lot of chess to be played and before we may come to that time , I 'm sure there will be twists and turns to come . We both have two white games each . But as for today I 'm obviously happy with the draw with the black pieces and obviously kind of a dangerous position . That 's because it 's a good result in general , not because it gets me closer to a playoff. " </p><p lang= " no " dir= " ltr " >Hva driver <a href= " https : **27;32737;TOOLONG ? refs ... @MagnusCarlsen</a> med her ? <a href= " https : //t.co/O5mxpCN1LF " >pic.twitter ... class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-19T19:52:50.569Z " >7.52pm <span class= " timezone " **29;32766;TOOLONG ... **33;32797;TOOLONG " For you Fabiano , does it feel like missing a penalty or was it ( not ) that bad ? " </strong>asks a reporter regarding the mental aftereffects of a game like Monday's. </p><p>The American responds : " I do n't think the position was ever quite like that . I had some chances , it 's not like it 's always going to work out . Just because you put some pressure on Magnus does n't mean that he collapses or anything . I had some chances . I do n't know how serious they were . It definitely was n't like missing a penalty . " </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-19T18:59:48.520Z " >6.59pm <span class= " timezone " **29;32832;TOOLONG ... **33;32863;TOOLONG " Some minor disappointment , " Caruana says when asked to assess his emotions after the match . </strong> " I thought at some point I had a very promising position . I did n't quite see exactly which moment I had something very good . " </p><p>Says a relieved Carlsen : " This was a tough game . He was the one who had all the chances . So I am happy to have survived it for sure . " </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-19T18:49:09.561Z " >6.49pm <span class= " timezone " **29;32898;TOOLONG ... **36;32929;TOOLONG final sequence ( 37. d6 Rd2 38 . Rg5 ) and the players have consented to a draw after 38 moves and 3hr 43min. </strong> Another impressive save by Carlsen . Caruana had the champion facing his most unpleasant moment of the match so far , down nearly an hour with a highly shaky position , but one inaccurate step ( 24. h3 ? ! ) was all Carlsen needed to hatch another escape . The world championship match is deadlocked at 4-all after eight games . **25;32967;TOOLONG class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-19T18:39:32.902Z " >6.39pm <span class= " timezone " **29;32994;TOOLONG ... **40;33025;TOOLONG plays 35 . Rf6 and he 's down to 15 minutes . </strong> Carlsen answers with 35 . ... Re2 and he 's under 10 minutes . Another back-and-forth ( 36 . Rg6+ Kf8 ) and here 's what we 're looking at . </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-19T18:27:07.716Z " >6.27pm <span class= " timezone " **29;33067;TOOLONG ... **36;33098;TOOLONG position appears to be a simple draw after 32 . ... Kf7 33 . Bxh4 Re8. </strong>But Caruana grinds on , putting Carlsen in check with 34 . Rf1+ followed by 34 . ... Kg8 . Caruana in right mind to keep pushing even if a draw seems inevitable with only two more games as white . Also , one could argue he consented to a peaceful result perhaps too soon in Game 2 when he could have made Carlsen work for it for at least a few more hours . Black is the one who needs to be more accurate in the current position and Carlsen has about twice as much time as Carlsen , who is down to 11 minutes . </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-19T18:12:38.971Z " >6.12pm <span class= " timezone " **29;33136;TOOLONG ... **40;33167;TOOLONG simplification as the players trade rooks : 31 . Rf6 Rxf6 32 . Bxf6. </strong> The computer is <a href= " http : //analysis.sesse.net/ " >tipping a very slight ( +0.34 ) advantage to Caruana</a> for bringing his bishop onto that critical square , but an impending second rook exchange should put this one to bed . </p><p lang= " en " dir= " ltr " >30 . Re1 Bg4 31 . Rf6 Soon both pairs of Rooks may be off the board which will result in definite draw . Another exciting day gone wrong <a href= " https : //t.co/EyQWatXQIU " >pic.twitter ... class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-19T18:09:06.415Z " >6.09pm <span class= " timezone " **29;33209;TOOLONG ... **38;33240;TOOLONG back-and-forth with 30 . Re1 Bg4. </strong> Carlsen has everything under control . The time situation is practically even with both players around 22 minutes for their next nine moves until the time control . </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-19T18:05:56.850Z " >6.05pm <span class= " timezone " **29;33280;TOOLONG ... **40;33311;TOOLONG opted for simplification with 27. h4. </strong> Carlsen , after a 10-minute think , accepts the pawn with 27. ... gxh4 . We appear bound for a draw after Caruana takes a pawn back ( 28 . Qxf4 ) and the players exchange queens ( 28 . ... Qxf4 29 . Rxf4 ) followed by 29. ... h5 . We 're just over three hours in today 's game but getting the sense it might not last much longer . </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-19T17:50:44.365Z " >5.50pm <span class= " timezone " **29;33353;TOOLONG ... **35;33384;TOOLONG appears we 're headed for a draw after 25 . Nc4 Qg6 26 . Nxd6 Qxd6. </strong>Caruana comes back with 27. h4 , indicating he 's not completely given up hopes for a win . Alas , as grandmaster <a href= " https : **33;33421;TOOLONG ... Polgar assesses</a> , an eighth straight peaceful appears in the offing . </p><p lang= " en " dir= " ltr " >Now 25 . Nc4 but it does not have the same sting . <br>25 ... Qg6 26 . Nxd6 Qxd6 27. h4 With Bishops opposite colors , the game will likely head to another draw . <a href= " https : //t.co/tAkqO1GknX " >pic.twitter ... class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-19T17:42:00.890Z " >5.42pm <span class= " timezone " **29;33456;TOOLONG ... **40;33487;TOOLONG answers with 24 . ... Qe8. </strong> He 's got about a half hour left on the clock compared to 47 minutes for Caruana . The <a href= " http : //analysis.sesse.net/ " >American ... advantage</a> , which had ballooned to +2.45 after 22. ... dxc5 and was a still-formidable +1.95 after 23 . ... Bd6 , is abruptly down to +0.09 following 24. h3 ? ! . <strong>What a difference a single move can make . </strong>Now it 's Caruana who looks nervous and Carlsen looking far more comfortable . It may be time for white to give up aspirations of winning today and play for a draw . </p><p lang= " en " dir= " ltr " >Funny how it 's again " one miss in one particular moment and that 's it , no more chances . " These guys are so good they give maximum 1 chance per game ( which are so complicated to take ) . Often less than that . Hence the draws . <a href= " https : **33;33529;TOOLONG ... <a href= " https : **33;33564;TOOLONG ... class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-19T17:33:45.425Z " >5.33pm <span class= " timezone " **29;33599;TOOLONG ... **40;33630;TOOLONG comes back with 23 . ... Bd6 , before Caruana responds with 24. h3 ? ! . </strong> Oh . Oh dear . He 's made an inaccuracy . Too slow , too defensive . It 's prompted gasps in the playing hall and criticism from all corners . Did Caruana just let a winning chance slip away ? ( American grandmaster Hiraku Nakamura 's reaction <a href= " https : **33;33672;TOOLONG ... it all</a>. ) </p><p lang= " en " dir= " ltr " >24. h3 ? ! from Caruana . Svidler : " I do n't know what that is ... " <a href= " https : //t.co/DiOsOleLSv " >https : //t.c ... <a href= " https : **33;33707;TOOLONG ... <a href= " https : //t.co/4S5e4LZJKH " >pic.twitter ... lang= " en " dir= " ltr " >24. h3 a bit wimpy . Is it the move of a future World Champion ? <a href= " https : **33;33742;TOOLONG ... <a href= " https : **33;33777;TOOLONG ... class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-19T17:23:33.996Z " >5.23pm <span class= " timezone " **29;33812;TOOLONG ... **36;33843;TOOLONG Caruana has played 21. c5 after 34 minutes . </strong> It 's a pawn sacrifice though not an immediate one . Carlsen , needing to speed up due to the mounting time crunch , quickly takes white 's bishop on f3 and Caruana takes the bishop with his queen ( 21 . ... Nxf3+ 22 . Qxf3 ) . Now Carlsen takes the pawn ( 22. ... dxc5 ) and Caruana responds with 23 . Rad1 . This is the critical moment of the game and match , perhaps as golden an opportunity as Caruana will get to stake a lead . The Norwegian supercomputer Sesse , running Stockfish , now giving the American a big advantage . But can Caruana find all the right moves ? </p><p lang= " en " dir= " ltr " >After 34 minutes of thinking , Fabiano Caruana nodded to himself and played the critical 21. c5 ! ? No knight pirouettes this time . He 's playing for keeps . <a href= " https : //t.co/j3ehDfVvlq " >pic.twitter ... class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-19T16:49:16.519Z " >4.49pm <span class= " timezone " **29;33881;TOOLONG ... **40;33912;TOOLONG indeed finds 20 . Bc3 , and Carlsen goes in the tank again before answering with 20 ... Bf5. </strong> He spent 20min 53sec on that response and is now almost 50 minutes behind on time . That gives him 34 minutes to makes his next 20 moves . The engines love 21. c5 for Caruana . If he can find it , the advantage will tip even further in the American 's favor . </p><p lang= " en " dir= " ltr " >After spending a lot of time , Carlsen played the suggested idea 20 ... Bf5 . The problem is now White can play 21 c5 right away . <a href= " https : //t.co/hXb8jMN7yY " >pic.twitter ... lang= " en " dir= " ltr " >Carlsen will have to conjure up an attack , before the time-trouble , otherwise , Caruana 's long term pressure is crushing ! <a href= " https : **33;33954;TOOLONG ... href= " https : **33;33989;TOOLONG ... lang= " en " dir= " ltr " >The blazer comes off . <a href= " https : //t.co/17IRTxFxKn " >pic.twitter ... class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-19T16:18:09.362Z " >4.18pm <span class= " timezone " **29;34024;TOOLONG ... **40;34055;TOOLONG responds with 19. ... f4. </strong> Caruana faces an important decision . The Norwegian supercomputer Sesse <a href= " http : //analysis.sesse.net/ " >already gives the American an advantage</a> and indicates he can push it with Bc3 . Can Fabi find it and turn the screw ? </p><p lang= " en " dir= " ltr " >This could turn ugly very fast for Magnus after 20 . Bc3 , preparing c4-c5. <a href= " https : **33;34097;TOOLONG ... class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-19T16:09:59.881Z " >4.09pm <span class= " timezone " **29;34132;TOOLONG ... **40;34163;TOOLONG plays 18. ... g5 and the fight is on ! </strong>A audacious , aggressive move , especially when he 's so far behind on time . But this is Game 8 and , not unlike the match against Karjakin two years ago in New York , Carlsen is going all in . The engines indicate Caruana needs to find 19. c4 and the American manages to find it in less than four minutes ! </p><p lang= " en " dir= " ltr " >18 ... g5 19. c4 The biggest problem here is this is not Carlsen 's style . Can he do it ? Yes . But that is not the strongest area of his game . But this plays right into Caruana 's wheel house . This is why home preparation does matter ! <a href= " https : //t.co/BY1fnEGBRn " >pic.twitter ... class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-19T16:04:59.177Z " >4.04pm <span class= " timezone " **29;34205;TOOLONG ... **40;34236;TOOLONG sequence of moves ending with a pawn exchange : 15 . Nc4 Ne5 16 . Nb6 Rb8 17. f4 exf3 18 . Bxf3. </strong> Caruana , moving with incredible pace , has more time than he started with thanks to the 30 seconds added to his clock with each move . And now Carlsen is in the tank . Five minutes . Ten minutes . Carlsen weighs his options , at times a bit more fidgety than we 're used to seeing him as Caruana takes a long break from the board . He knows just how crucial this move could prove given Caruana 's razor-sharp preparation . Carlsen already a half hour behind on the clock . And we wait ... </p><p lang= " en " dir= " ltr " >Magnus under pressure already after 18 . Bxf3 , more than a half hour behind on the clock . <a href= " https : //t.co/ZXAm3vjaj8 " >pic.twitter ... class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-19T15:40:51.988Z " >3.40pm <span class= " timezone " **29;34278;TOOLONG ... **40;34309;TOOLONG responds to Caruana 's 14 . Na3 with 14. ... e4. **29;34351;TOOLONG </strong>The champion is a bit out of his element with this opening : he 's spent about 24 minutes on his last four moves . Says Russian grandmaster Peter Svidler : " This is by far the liveliest opening position we 've had since Game 1 . " </p><p lang= " en " dir= " ltr " >Svidler : " There is every reason to be very , very happy about all this . This is by far the liveliest opening position we 've had since game 1 . " <a href= " https : **33;34382;TOOLONG ... <a href= " https : //t.co/K3OlBIgJVJ " >pic.twitter ... lang= " en " dir= " ltr " >14 ... e4 Both sides came to play today . To Carlsen 's credit , not many choose Sicilian as he main weapon in recent world championships . But Caruana is too sound with his opening preparation . So it will be interesting how this game will turn out . Stay positive ! <a href= " https : //t.co/I0dVdhaazD " >pic.twitter ... class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-19T15:32:23.071Z " >3.32pm <span class= " timezone " **29;34417;TOOLONG ... **40;34448;TOOLONG takes nine minutes before responding with 12. ... f5. </strong> Caruana quickly responds with 13. a5 and Carlsen takes another six minutes before coming back with 13. ... a6 . Some exciting potential here . </p><p lang= " en " dir= " ltr " >Thinking back , this is one of the few assymetrical positions Magnus has found himself in in a World Championship match . Excited for the fireworks ahead ! <a href= " https : **33;34490;TOOLONG ... class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-19T15:25:59.882Z " >3.25pm <span class= " timezone " **29;34525;TOOLONG ... **35;34556;TOOLONG have our first surprise with 12 . Bd2. </strong>This comes on the heels of 9. a4 ( where c4 is far more common ) , followed by 9 . ... Be7 10 . Be2 O-O 11 . O-O Nd7. </p><p lang= " en " dir= " ltr " >After Caruana 's 12 . Bd2 we 're in close to uncharted territory ... <a href= " https : **33;34593;TOOLONG ... <a href= " https : //t.co/iqLJcJmwan " >pic.twitter ... class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-19T15:17:15.880Z " >3.17pm <span class= " timezone " **29;34628;TOOLONG ... **40;34659;TOOLONG making a lot of moves very quickly . </strong> We 'll catch up when they pause for their first thing . Here 's what they 're looking at after : 5 . Nc3 e5 6 . Ndb5 d6 7 . Nd5 Nxd5 8. exd5 Nb8 9. a4. </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-19T15:09:08.782Z " >3.09pm <span class= " timezone " **29;34701;TOOLONG ... **36;34732;TOOLONG we 're off with 1 . e4 c5 2 . Nf3 Nc6 3. d4 cxd4 4 . Nxd4. </strong> For the fourth time we have the Sicilian and it 's not the Rossolimo . And with 4 . ... Nf6 5 . Nc3 e5 , we 're into the Sveshnikov variation . </p><p lang= " en " dir= " ltr " >The creator of DeepMind <a href= " https : **27;34770;TOOLONG ? refs ... @demishassabis</a> plays 1. e4 for <a href= " https : **28;34799;TOOLONG ? ref ... **25;34829;TOOLONG <br>Best by test ? <a href= " https : **33;34856;TOOLONG ... <a href= " https : //t.co/rV3TSK4DrP " >pic.twitter ... class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-19T14:19:35.807Z " >2.19pm <span class= " timezone " **29;34891;TOOLONG ... **38;34922;TOOLONG and welcome to London for today 's eighth game of the world chess championship between Norway 's Magnus Carlsen and Fabiano Caruana of the United States . </strong> Play resumes today after with the best-of-12-games match deadlocked at 3 ? -all following seven consecutive peaceful results . **36;34962;TOOLONG **45;35000;TOOLONG ... class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-19T02:57:57.664Z " >2.57am <span class= " timezone " **29;35047;TOOLONG ... **38;35078;TOOLONG will be here shortly . </strong> In the meantime <a href= " https : **33;35118;TOOLONG ... his report from Sunday 's seventh game</a> , which left a somewhat downtrodden Carlsen lamenting his missed opportunities to be more aggressive . </p><p> <span>Related : </span><a href= " https : **33;35153;TOOLONG ... Magnus Carlsen ' way too soft ' in Game 7 draw with Fabiano Caruana</a> </p> <a href= " https : **33;35188;TOOLONG ... reading ... </a>World Chess Championship 2018ChessFabiano CaruanaMagnus CarlsenUS sportsSportMon , 19 Nov 2018 20:14:54 GMThttp : **37;35223;TOOLONG ... Facundo **26;35262;TOOLONG : Facundo Arrizabalaga/EPABryan Armen **32;35290;TOOLONG Carlsen springs Game 8 escape thanks to Fabiano Caruana 's false stephttps : **35;35324;TOOLONG ... **25;35361;TOOLONG href= " https : **33;35388;TOOLONG ... saves draw as Caruana falters -- as it **45;35423;TOOLONG ... match knotted at 4-all after eight **42;35470;TOOLONG Carlsen admitted he was " happy to survive " after saving a draw in Monday 's eighth game of the world chess championship , which left the series deadlocked at 4-4 with four games remaining . </p><p> <span>Related : </span><a href= " https : **33;35514;TOOLONG ... Carlsen saves draw as Fabiano Caruana falters in Game 8 -- live ! </a> **36;35549;TOOLONG **45;35587;TOOLONG ... <a href= " https : **33;35634;TOOLONG ... reading ... </a>World Chess Championship 2018ChessFabiano CaruanaSportMagnus CarlsenUS sportsMon , 19 Nov 2018 19:40:49 GMThttp : **37;35669;TOOLONG ... Facundo **26;35708;TOOLONG : Facundo Arrizabalaga/EPABryan Armen **32;35736;TOOLONG Carlsen and Fabiano Caruana remain deadlocked after taut Game 7 -- as it happenedhttps : **31;35770;TOOLONG ... **25;35803;TOOLONG href= " https : **33;35830;TOOLONG ... and Caruana play to 40-move draw in seventh **45;35865;TOOLONG ... match knotted at 3 ? -all after seven **32;35912;TOOLONG class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-18T20:30:45.605Z " >8.30pm <span class= " timezone " **29;35946;TOOLONG ... **33;35977;TOOLONG " I could have played much more ambitiously , " Carlsen laments. </strong> The champion sounds a bit downtrodden and rueful after failing to capitalize on playing with the white pieces in back-to-back games . Instead , it 's been seven straight draws and a 3 ? -all deadlock just like in his world championship match with Sergey Karjakin two years ago in New York . Of course , Karjakin was able to break through and draw first blood in that eighth game before Carlsen forced a tie-breaker a few days later . Could a similar turn await on Monday ? </p><p>We 'll soon find out . Be sure to join us then for more minute-by-minute coverage . **29;36012;TOOLONG <span>Related : </span><a href= " https : **33;36043;TOOLONG ... Magnus Carlsen ' way too soft ' in Game 7 draw with Fabiano Caruana</a> </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-18T19:24:46.887Z " >7.24pm <span class= " timezone " **29;36078;TOOLONG ... **33;36109;TOOLONG " I knew that the move existed , I just did n't expect it , " Carlsen says of Caruana 's early surprise ( 10 . ... Qd8 ! ? ) . </strong> " It was n't too much of an unpleasant surprise since I felt like there should be many safe options for white . There must have been chances to play for something . But what I did was just way too soft . Then I had one chance to play actively but I did n't entirely believe in it . ... ( 15 . Nce4 ) instead of ( 15 . O-O ) . Castling is essentially just an admission that the position is equal . " </p><p>He adds : " I was also looking at ( 15. f4 ) which is interesting but probably nonsensical. " </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-18T18:56:11.269Z " >6.56pm <span class= " timezone " **29;36144;TOOLONG ... **33;36175;TOOLONG " After the last game it kind of felt like I got away with murder , " Carlsen says at the post-game press conference . </strong> " In that sense it 's easier to be calm about a draw today . I 'm not loving it , but I 'm not in any sort of panic mode either . Could have been worse . The match is still equal and with black , it 's been going OK . I 'm not at all thrilled about my play today . " </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-18T18:43:42.134Z " >6.43pm <span class= " timezone " **29;36210;TOOLONG ... **36;36241;TOOLONG we 've ended with a repetition : 37 . Ke3 Bf1 38 . Kf2 Ba6 39 . Ke3 Bf1 40 . Kf2. </strong>Carlsen tried , but it 's ultimately a peaceful result . " It was always a draw , " Caruana says . " And overall a solid draw without too many problems is always a good result . " </p><p>Says Carlsen , who sounds a bit downtrodden immediately after exiting the playing hall : " There were many , many options for white , it was not easy to choose . I think what I played was a little too slow and I ended up getting nothing . I was hoping to kind of outplay him in the ending with knight against bishop but I think there was nothing there . " </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-18T18:28:31.909Z " >6.28pm <span class= " timezone " **29;36279;TOOLONG ... **36;36310;TOOLONG a lot of progress after 32 . Nd6 Qxc3 33. bxc3 f6 34. f4 Kf8 35 . Kg1 Ke7 36 . Kf2 Kd7. </strong> Caruana should make it to time control from here . Winning chances for either player difficult to see . </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-18T18:12:19.265Z " >6.12pm <span class= " timezone " **29;36348;TOOLONG ... **37;36379;TOOLONG 7 is looking no less drawish after the last few moves : 29 . ... Qc7 30. e5 Qc5+ 31. **32;36418;TOOLONG f6. </strong>But as Caruana ponders his response , he 's just gone under eight minutes on the clock . He 'll need to make his next nine moves within that span in order to reach the time control . </p><p lang= " en " dir= " ltr " >31 ... Ba6 32 . Nd6 Qxc3 33. bxc3 f6 Still equal . The difference now is both sides need to be careful as both have pawn weaknesses . <a href= " https : //t.co/uhXKuuzqpk " >pic.twitter ... class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-18T17:52:22.342Z " >5.52pm <span class= " timezone " **29;36452;TOOLONG ... **40;36483;TOOLONG flurry of moves : 26 . Bd3 b6 27. f3 Bb7 28 . Bxg6 hxg6 29. e4. </strong>White takes black 's knight in exchange for a bishop , symmetrical pawn structure intact . This endgame is looking more and more like a draw . </p><p lang= " en " dir= " ltr " >Chances of a draw in game seven of <a href= " https : **33;36525;TOOLONG ... are now very high . This contest feels increasingly like the early Karpov-Kasparov matches . The players are closely matched and they rarely deviate from equality . What we 're missing is the undercurrent of political excitement . </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-18T17:40:11.693Z " >5.40pm <span class= " timezone " **29;36560;TOOLONG ... **37;36591;TOOLONG simplifications follow : 23 . Qd4 Nxc3 24 . Qxc3 Bxg3 25. hxg3 Qd7. </strong> We appear bound for another peaceful result , but Caruana still must tread carefully . </p><p lang= " en " dir= " ltr " >Svidler : " The only danger here is if Caruana thinks the game is over and they just need to make 5 more moves , and Carlsen thinks it 's only just starting - you could lose concentration " <a href= " https : //t.co/VXVuJFJoJe " >https : //t.c ... <a href= " https : **29;36630;TOOLONG ? src ... <a href= " https : **33;36661;TOOLONG ... <a href= " https : //t.co/yB0qpHOzEH " >pic.twitter ... class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-18T17:31:31.417Z " >5.31pm <span class= " timezone " **29;36696;TOOLONG ... **36;36727;TOOLONG it 's another rook exchange ( 21 . ... Rxd1+ 22 . Qxd1 Nd5 ) . </strong> Caruana clearly trying to simplify further over the last few moves . </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-18T17:22:36.939Z " >5.22pm <span class= " timezone " **29;36765;TOOLONG ... **40;36796;TOOLONG replies with 14 . ... Ne5. </strong> Carlsen then uses his bishop to chase away black 's knight to capture black 's c-pawn without an exchange ( 14 . ... Ne5 15 . O-O Bd7 16 . Bf4 Ng6 17 . Bg3 Bc6 18 . Nxc4 Bc7 ) . Now they bring their rooks into the mix with 19 . Rfd1 Rfd8 ... and they 're quickly exchanged with 20 . Rxd8+ Rxd8 . Pieces coming off the board quickly now and the simplification points us toward a draw , but we 've got a ways to go . Carlsen moves his other rook from the corner ( 21 . Rd1 ) and steps away from the board for a rest . </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-18T16:54:17.297Z " >4.54pm <span class= " timezone " **29;36838;TOOLONG ... **40;36869;TOOLONG decides on the crowd-pleasing 14 . Nd2 instead of the risk-eschewing , drawish Bxc4. </strong>The champion has spent nearly 50 minutes combined weighing his last four moves , yet Hungarian-born grandmaster D ? nes Boros believes he 's still in his prep . </p><p lang= " en " dir= " ltr " >I will say something surprising , I believe Carlsen is still in preparation ! Caruana is under some pressure . <a href= " https : **33;36911;TOOLONG ... href= " https : **33;36946;TOOLONG ... class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-18T16:40:13.179Z " >4.40pm <span class= " timezone " **29;36981;TOOLONG ... **35;37012;TOOLONG , we have n't fallen over asleep over here . </strong>It 's just been a lot of waiting as Caruana , pondering a potentially critical response to Carlsen 's 13 . Bg5 , spends nearly a half hour before deciding to take white 's c-pawn with 13. ... dxc4 . He 's under an hour on the clock now ( 57min 27sec ) , about 10 minutes behind Carlsen. </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-18T16:11:57.097Z " >4.11pm <span class= " timezone " **29;37049;TOOLONG ... **40;37080;TOOLONG responds with 12 . ... Qe7 after 12 minutes . </strong>He appears to be out of book , which plays to the champion 's favor . Carlsen takes roughly the same time to counter with 13 . Bg5 . The computer <a href= " http : //analysis.sesse.net/ " >does n't like that move</a> , tipping the advantage to black ( albeit marginally ) for the first time today . Russian chess grandmaster Alexander Grischuk does n't spare the rod : " So , we have another childish preparation by Magnus . " </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-18T15:47:53.530Z " >3.47pm <span class= " timezone " **29;37122;TOOLONG ... **40;37153;TOOLONG goes for simple development with 12 . Be2 after weighing his options for nearly 14 minutes . </strong> Grandmaster Susan Polgar calls the opening a big improvement for Carlsen compared to Game 6. </p><p lang= " en " dir= " ltr " >12 Be2 Another logical development to prepare 0-0 . This opening choice is much more suitable for Carlsen , a big improvement over game 6 . White is slightly better because of the backward Bishop on c8 . Now let 's see how he can take advantage of this . <a href= " https : //t.co/k7AfxBuZpQ " >pic.twitter ... class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-18T15:30:07.008Z " >3.30pm <span class= " timezone " **29;37195;TOOLONG ... **40;37226;TOOLONG opts for 11 . Nb3 after nearly 10 minutes . </strong>Caruana takes nearly six minutes to answer with 11 . ... Bb6 , another novelty , and the Norwegian is back in the tank . He 's been on the clock for more than 10 minutes , but the position is pleasant with no shortage of positive options . </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-18T15:20:05.953Z " >3.20pm <span class= " timezone " **29;37268;TOOLONG ... **40;37299;TOOLONG is first to deviate from the Game 2 line with 10 . Nd2. </strong>Caruana answers by moving his queen into retreat ( 10 . ... Qd8 ! ? ) , a rare and curious choice . Now Carlsen has the first long think of the day . He 's been examining the position for five minutes ( and counting ) . </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-18T15:09:23.243Z " >3.09pm <span class= " timezone " **29;37341;TOOLONG ... **40;37372;TOOLONG opens with 1 . d4. </strong> Caruana answers with 1 . ... Nf6 , same as Game 2 . In fact , the first nine moves are the exact same as the <a href= " https : **33;37414;TOOLONG ... game</a> : 1 . d4 Nf6 2 . Nf3 d5 3. c4 e6 4 . Nc3 Be7 5 . Bf4 O-O 6. e3 c5 7. dxc5 Bxc5 8 . Qc2 Nc6 9. a3 Qa5. </p><p lang= " en " dir= " ltr " >The handshake before the 7th game . **25;37449;TOOLONG : <a href= " https : //twitter.com/davidllada ? refsrc= ... @davidllada</a> <a href= " https : //t.co/lA2tfHJBE8 " >pic.twitter ... class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-18T14:42:57.898Z " >2.42pm <span class= " timezone " **29;37476;TOOLONG ... **38;37507;TOOLONG and welcome to London for today 's Game 7 of the world chess championship between Norway 's Magnus Carlsen and Fabiano Caruana of the United States . </strong> We 're back in action after <a href= " https : **33;37547;TOOLONG ... sixth draw in six games</a> left the best-of-12-games match deadlocked at 3-all. **39;37582;TOOLONG ... **45;37623;TOOLONG ... lang= " en " dir= " ltr " >Magnus does n't like what he sees after 60 . ... Bd8. <a href= " https : //t.co/mHaSPMVTOx " >pic.twitter ... class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-18T13:43:36.483Z " >1.43pm <span class= " timezone " **29;37670;TOOLONG ... **38;37701;TOOLONG will be here shortly . </strong> In the meantime <a href= " https : **33;37741;TOOLONG ... his report</a> from Friday 's thrilling Game 6. </p><p> <span>Related : </span><a href= " https : **33;37776;TOOLONG ... Carlsen narrowly avoids Fabiano Caruana stunner in Game 6 epic</a> </p> <a href= " https : **33;37811;TOOLONG ... reading ... </a>World Chess Championship 2018ChessFabiano CaruanaSportUS sportsMagnus CarlsenSun , 18 Nov 2018 20:30:45 GMThttp : **37;37846;TOOLONG ... FidePhotograph : FideBryan Armen **32;37885;TOOLONG Magnus Carlsen ' way too soft ' in Game 7 draw with Fabiano Caruanahttps : **32;37919;TOOLONG ... **25;37953;TOOLONG href= " https : **33;37980;TOOLONG ... and Caruana play to 40-move draw -- as it **45;38015;TOOLONG ... laments : ' I could have played much more ambitiously ' **33;38062;TOOLONG ... match knotted at 3 ? -all after seven **37;38097;TOOLONG rueful Magnus Carlsen lamented his gun-shy , conservative play after <a href= " https : **33;38136;TOOLONG ... draw in the seventh game</a> of his world championship title defense against Fabiano Caruana in London , which left the best-of-12-games match in 3 ? -all deadlock . </p><p> <span>Related : </span><a href= " https : **33;38171;TOOLONG ... Carlsen and Fabiano Caruana remain deadlocked after taut Game 7 -- live ! </a> **36;38206;TOOLONG **45;38244;TOOLONG ... <a href= " https : **33;38291;TOOLONG ... reading ... </a>World Chess Championship 2018ChessFabiano CaruanaUS sportsMagnus CarlsenSportSun , 18 Nov 2018 20:11:05 GMThttp : **37;38326;TOOLONG ... Ray **31;38365;TOOLONG : Ray **26;38398;TOOLONG Armen **32;38426;TOOLONG Carlsen barely saves draw as Fabiano Caruana misses win in Game 6 thriller -- as it happenedhttps : **31;38460;TOOLONG ... **25;38493;TOOLONG href= " https : **33;38520;TOOLONG ... saves draw after 80 moves and six and a half **41;38555;TOOLONG href= " https : **33;38598;TOOLONG ... Barden on Chess : title match remains tightly **45;38633;TOOLONG ... match deadlocked at 3-all after six **32;38680;TOOLONG class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-16T22:45:18.710Z " >10.45p ... <span class= " timezone " **29;38714;TOOLONG ... **33;38745;TOOLONG " I was just way too casual , " says Carlsen when asked to explain Friday 's near-upset. </strong>Yet there was nothing nonchalant about the Norwegian 's dogged fightback to <a href= " https : **33;38780;TOOLONG ... a draw</a> in a game that could have , at least temporarily , cost him the world No 1 ranking that he 'd held for more than seven years uninterrupted . </p><p>The champion , who famously claimed he does n't believe in fortresses during his world title defense against Sergey Karjakin two years ago in New York , took refuge in a defensive structure and moved with precision and ingenuity throughout the tense endgame , even as the Stockfish evaluation engine found a forced mate in 30 moves for black after 67 . Kg6. **36;38815;TOOLONG **45;38853;TOOLONG ... <span>Related : </span><a href= " https : **33;38900;TOOLONG ... Carlsen narrowly avoids Fabiano Caruana stunner in Game 6 epic</a> </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-16T21:33:32.895Z " >9.33pm <span class= " timezone " **29;38935;TOOLONG ... </p><p>One final sequence ( 75 . Bb3 Kd6 76 . Bc2 Ke5 77 . Bd3 Kf4 78 . Bc2 Ng4 79 . Bb3 Ne3 80. h6 Bxh6 ) and the players agree to a draw after 80 moves and six and a half hours . Caruana misses a complex win with a false step in the final reel ( 68 . ... Bh4 ! ! ) ! </p><p>What a save by the Norwegian champion . The world title match is deadlocked at 3-all at the halfway point . </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-16T21:24:35.116Z " >9.24pm <span class= " timezone " **29;38966;TOOLONG ... **40;38997;TOOLONG keeps probing with 67 . ... Bg5 and Carlsen answers with 68 . Bc4. </strong> And after Caruana 's 68 . ... Nf3 the engine says the position is no longer winning . Simply breathtaking defense by the world No 1 and reigning champion . On they go : 69 . Kh7 Ne5 70 . Bb3 Ng4 71 . Bc4 Ne3 72 . Bd3 Ng4 73 . Bc4 Nh6 74 . Kg6 Ke7. </p><p>Both players are under 14 minutes on their clocks and , crucially , there are no time controls ahead , although the players do receive a 30-second increment with each move . Here 's what we 're looking at . </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-16T21:13:22.183Z " >9.13pm <span class= " timezone " **29;39039;TOOLONG ... **36;39070;TOOLONG Stockfish evaluation engine has <a href= " http : //analysis.sesse.net/ " >found a mate for black</a> after 66 . Bd5 Nd4 67 . Kg6. </strong> Incredible . Can the American find it ? We 're on the edge of our seats . </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-16T21:08:44.313Z " >9.08pm <span class= " timezone " **29;39108;TOOLONG ... **38;39139;TOOLONG into the seventh hour and Caruana has a winning plan . </strong> He 's closing in on a seismic upset to draw first blood in this world championship match . Remember : a victory would propel him to No 1 in the live world ratings , knocking Carlsen from the position he 's held since July 2011 . But the Norwegian champion is not going down without a fight . He 's been incredibly precise in defense over the last several moves ( 61 . Kh7 Nf7 62 . Bc4 Ne5 63 . Bd5 Ba5 64. h5 Bd2 65 . Ba2 Nf3 ) , a simply masterful effort in trying to hold . </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-16T20:57:31.678Z " >8.57pm <span class= " timezone " **29;39179;TOOLONG ... **40;39210;TOOLONG is offering up a pawn to penetrate after ( 57 . Bd3 Nd6 58. a5 ) . </strong>Stockfish says Caruana 's advantage will grow further if he accepts it with 58 . ... Bxa5 . And that 's exactly what he does . They promptly exchange pawns ( 59. gxf6 gxf6 ) . Carlsen with around 10 minutes on the clock , Caruana with 12 . Both , however , will be given another 15 minutes after their next move under the <a href= " https : **33;39252;TOOLONG ... regulations</a> . The champion decides on 60 . Kg6 before stepping away from the table . Caruana answers with 60 . ... Bd8 . Carlsen in serious trouble and by the look on his face he knows it . </p><p lang= " en " dir= " ltr " >Magnus does n't like what he sees after 60 . ... Bd8. <a href= " https : //t.co/mHaSPMVTOx " >pic.twitter ... class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-16T20:30:08.413Z " >8.30pm <span class= " timezone " **29;39287;TOOLONG ... **37;39318;TOOLONG to overstate how devastating it would be for Carlsen to lose as white . </strong> Caruana clearly going for the win after 53 . ... Nc5 54. a4 f6 55 . Kg4 Ne4 56 . Kh5 Be1 . Fide master Mike Klein <a href= " https : **33;39357;TOOLONG ... a Caruana triumph would be the first win by an American in an undisputed world championship match in 16,878 days . </p><p lang= " nl " dir= " ltr " >Dangerous waters . <a href= " https : //t.co/m2jz3JRe7M " >pic.twitter ... class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-16T20:11:16.866Z " >8.11pm <span class= " timezone " **29;39392;TOOLONG ... **38;39423;TOOLONG into the sixth hour of this epic match . </strong>Caruana moves his bishop ( 52 . ... Na4 ) and Carlsen replies in kind ( 53 . Bb5 ) . That tips the advantage even further in the American challenger 's favor <a href= " http : //analysis.sesse.net/ " >accordin ... to the computer</a>. <a href= " https : **33;39463;TOOLONG ... grandmaster Susan Polgar</a> : " Not an easy endgame to win , and also not an easy endgame to hold . But these are the two best players in the world and here is their chance to prove it . " </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-16T20:03:29.422Z " >8.03pm <span class= " timezone " **29;39498;TOOLONG ... **42;39529;TOOLONG inspired sequence achieved his aim of simplification . </strong> But the Stockfish evaluation engine assesses the advantage to Caruana ... and it 's only mounted after 48 . ... Ba3 49 . Bc4 Kf8 50. g5 Nc3 51. b4 Bxb4 52 . Kf3 to the biggest margin of the day so far . Says Australian grandmaster <a href= " https : **33;39573;TOOLONG ... Rogers on Norwegian TV</a> : " Magnus is definitely in trouble " . </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-16T19:51:02.837Z " >7.51pm <span class= " timezone " **29;39608;TOOLONG ... **34;39639;TOOLONG stroke of brilliance by the world champion just now . </strong>In five moves over a 40-second span on his clock , Carlsen sacrificed a piece in exchange for three pawns with the goal of simplifying the position toward a draw . The outcome still leans toward black but the world No 1 is grinding . The moves : 43 . ... Nd2 44 . Bxd5 Bxe3 45 . Bxc6 Bxf4 46 . Bxb7 Bd6 47 . Bxa6 Ne4 48. g4 . Good lord . </p><p lang= " en " dir= " ltr " >Magnus has given up a piece for 3 pawns ! <br>Svidler : " It feels like more of a draw than a win , but Black has a risk-free advantage " <a href= " https : //t.co/cic3XjXuwS " >https : //t.c ... <a href= " https : **29;39675;TOOLONG ? src ... <a href= " https : **33;39706;TOOLONG ... <a href= " https : //t.co/loSwrQHX9K " >pic.twitter ... class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-16T19:42:37.945Z " >7.42pm <span class= " timezone " **29;39741;TOOLONG ... **34;39772;TOOLONG slower pace , predictably , since the time control . </strong>Each player spends roughly eight minutes in navigating their bishops ( 42 . Bf4 Bc5 ) before Carlsen offers a trade ( 43 . Bf3 ) which surely Caruana wo n't accept . David Hill , who 's covering the match for the Ringer , keeps it 100. </p><p lang= " en " dir= " ltr " >Lots of woodpushers on twitter and twitch are complaining about draws , but this game is fascinating and I think we 're about to see some brilliant chess in the next handful of moves . The result of the game has nothing to do with the challenge the players had . <a href= " https : **33;39808;TOOLONG ... class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-16T19:10:16.811Z " >7.10pm <span class= " timezone " **29;39843;TOOLONG ... **40;39874;TOOLONG with a golden opportunity to take this three-week psychodrama by the scruff of the neck as Game 6 enters the fifth hour . </strong>He might not have a better one . Black still better after 41 . Kg2 Bxd4 according to the computer . The reigning champion from Norway is feeling the heat like no other moment so far . </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-16T19:01:03.936Z " >7.01pm <span class= " timezone " **29;39916;TOOLONG ... **40;39947;TOOLONG makes the crucial move to reach time control ( and an added 50 minutes on the clock ) with 40 . Bxh5. </strong> Now it 's on Caruana , who 's under three minutes ... under two minutes ... under one minute ( ! ) before deciding on 40 . ... Ne4+ . Leaving things late is Fabi . The players can both breathe a sigh of relief . Less so for Carlsen , who is still facing a positional disadvantage according to the computer . </p><p lang= " en " dir= " ltr " >Both players have made the time control with Black slightly better , though Grischuk notes that if Black 's initiative dies away White can also be better long-term : <a href= " https : //t.co/cic3XjXuwS " >https : //t.c ... <a href= " https : **29;39989;TOOLONG ? src ... <a href= " https : **33;40020;TOOLONG ... <a href= " https : //t.co/9UZhLgeiQC " >pic.twitter ... class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-16T18:53:53.613Z " >6.53pm <span class= " timezone " **29;40055;TOOLONG ... **34;40086;TOOLONG winning position for black and a critical moment in this championship match ! </strong> The American has <a href= " https : **33;40122;TOOLONG ... the champion</a> from a neutral position for the first time in six games . And what a time for it . Caruana playing for the win after 37 . ... Bd7 38. f5 Bc6 39 . Bd1 . He ponders his crucial 39th move for more than seven minutes before opting for 39 . ... Bb2. </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-16T18:37:15.903Z " >6.37pm <span class= " timezone " **29;40157;TOOLONG ... **40;40188;TOOLONG finally plays 36 . Bb8 after 14min 45sec that felt like an hour given the mounting tension in the playing hall . </strong>Caruana comes back quickly with 36. ... a6 and the champion answers with 37. f4 after a three-minute think . Carlsen under 12 minutes , Caruana under 15 . A critical moment for the champion to hold this until the time control . We might not have predicted it a few hours ago but this has become the best game of the match since Friday 's opener . </p><p lang= " en " dir= " ltr " >36 Bb8 a6 37. f4 Carlsen took a lot of time for the last few moves . He knows that this is a critical moment for him as there is danger lurking around with the a2 and d4 pawn . <a href= " https : //t.co/dzQujpT7pl " >pic.twitter ... class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-16T18:27:58.990Z " >6.27pm <span class= " timezone " **29;40230;TOOLONG ... **40;40261;TOOLONG is in the tank on move 36. </strong> Since the 35 . Bc2 Ba3 exchange , the Norwegian champion has spent 14 minutes ( so far ) pondering his response . Carlsen now behind Caruana ( 17min 25sec ) . Remember : they are both given an additional 50 minutes after the 40th move . But there are five critical moves between now and then , any of which could make or break the affair . **25;40303;TOOLONG class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-16T18:11:34.152Z " >6.11pm <span class= " timezone " **29;40330;TOOLONG ... **36;40361;TOOLONG next few moves ( 33 . Rxc8+ Bxc8 34 . Ne3 ) do nothing to compromise Caruana 's comfortable position . </strong> Surely the American could privately claim a meta victory if he 's able to draw the first leg of these back-to-back games as black without much exertion . Carlsen <a href= " https : **33;40399;TOOLONG ... entirely out of the woods yet</a> but the <a href= " http : //analysis.sesse.net/ " >computer has it nearly dead even</a> after Caruana had tipped the balance during the 29 . Bd1 Nc4 30. b3 Na3 31 . Rxc8 Rxc8 32 . Rc1 Nb5 sequence . </p><p lang= " en " dir= " ltr " >This looks like a wasted white game for Carlsen . Draw is likely , but pretty sure he will be very disappointed afterwards . He had nothing . <a href= " https : **33;40434;TOOLONG ... <a href= " https : **30;40469;TOOLONG ? sr ... <a href= " https : **29;40501;TOOLONG ? src ... <a href= " https : //t.co/nZupaoSZeY " >pic.twitter ... class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-16T18:00:13.105Z " >6.00pm <span class= " timezone " **29;40532;TOOLONG ... **36;40563;TOOLONG position is looking drawish ( quelle surprise ) after 27 . Bf4 Na528 . Rdc1 Bb4 29 . Bd1 Nc4 30. b3 Na3 **31;40601;TOOLONG . Rxc8 Rxc8 32 . Rc1 **32;40634;TOOLONG </strong>If anything , it 's begun to tip slightly in black 's favor over the last few moves in both the eyes of the <a href= " http : //analysis.sesse.net/ " >computer ... and the <a href= " https : **33;40668;TOOLONG ... but some much-needed simplification for Carlsen with the rook trade . Caruana , down to 23 minutes , not facing the time management crisis that nearly undid him in Friday 's Game 1 , nor is he rushing , but the clock is becoming a bigger factor with eight moves until the time control . </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-16T17:23:29.054Z " >5.23pm <span class= " timezone " **29;40703;TOOLONG ... **40;40734;TOOLONG back-and-forth exchange including a pawn trade : 24 . Ng2 cxd4 25. cxd4 Rac8 26 . Bb3 Nc6. </strong> <a href= " https : **33;40776;TOOLONG ... for black</a> , perhaps ? Carlsen now has a long think . He 's been on the clock for eight minutes and counting . While we wait , here 's the inestimable Leonard Barden 's latest chess column , hot off the presses . </p><p> <span>Related : </span><a href= " https : **33;40811;TOOLONG ... Magnus Carlsen v Fabiano Caruana match remains tightly poised</a> </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-16T17:04:46.246Z " >5.04pm <span class= " timezone " **29;40846;TOOLONG ... **36;40877;TOOLONG Norwegian supercomputer Sesse , running Stockfish , assesses the position as dead even after Carlsen 's 21. g3. </strong> The match enters its third hour . A few more moves : 21. g3 c5 22 . Bc2 O-O 23 . Rd1 Rfd8. <a href= " https : **33;40915;TOOLONG ... grandmaster Susan Polgar</a> : " This type of position is very difficult for many players , especially club players . When to break , when to exchange pawns , and to shift the dynamic of the position to favor you . I have news for you . It is hard for the grandmasters too ! " </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-16T16:53:37.403Z " >4.53pm <span class= " timezone " **29;40950;TOOLONG ... **34;40981;TOOLONG few more moves trickle out : 18. ... h5 19. h4 Nc8 20 . Ne3 Ne7 21. g3. </strong>Quiet position , this . And now Caruana has gone in the tank . Eight minutes , 10 minutes , 12 minutes . He finally plays 21. ... c5 after 13min 51sec , having fallen more than a half hour behind Carlsen on the clock . This should create a more dynamic position . We hope . </p><p lang= " en " dir= " ltr " >Caruana plays 19 ... c5 ! ? and it 's getting interesting ! <a href= " https : **33;41017;TOOLONG ... <a href= " https : //t.co/ZsGoHEHwwc " >pic.twitter ... class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-16T16:16:59.393Z " >4.16pm <span class= " timezone " **29;41052;TOOLONG ... **36;41083;TOOLONG pace has slowed considerably after the crisp opening act . </strong> Caruana has settled into a comfortably solid position following Carlsen 's promising start . The Norwegian thinks for five minutes before continuing with 18 . Kf2 , but now the American is on 10 minutes and counting . Symmetrical position with no apparent weaknesses anywhere on either side . </p><p lang= " en " dir= " ltr " >It seems only apt that , in the year we mark 100 years since WW1 , the world chess championship should consist of a remorseless grind of trench warfare , where weeks of battle result in neither player gaining or losing an inch of ground . <a href= " https : **33;41121;TOOLONG ... class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-16T16:01:03.084Z " >4.01pm <span class= " timezone " **29;41156;TOOLONG ... **35;41187;TOOLONG took 15 moves before anything on either side involving the bishop ( 15 . Bd3 ) . </strong> Carlsen counters with 15. ... d5 and Carlsen comes back with 16 . Nc2 . Looking drawish entering the middlegame . One American grandmaster ( and recent <a href= " http : **34;41224;TOOLONG ... Show guest</a> ) is sure of it . </p><p lang= " en " dir= " ltr " >Maurice Ashley says he 'll bet $1,000 right now even money that this game ends in a draw . Anyone want to fade him ? <a href= " https : **27;41260;TOOLONG ? refs ... @MauriceAshley</a> <a href= " https : **33;41289;TOOLONG ... class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-16T15:53:26.977Z " >3.53pm <span class= " timezone " **29;41324;TOOLONG ... **40;41355;TOOLONG responds with 14 . ... Nb6 and Carlsen has a long think . </strong>He 's been on the clock for 12 minutes and counting . Here 's a look at the board . </p><p lang= " en " dir= " ltr " >This expression from <a href= " https : **27;41397;TOOLONG ? refs ... @MagnusCarlsen</a> looks familiar ... <a href= " https : **33;41426;TOOLONG ... <a href= " https : //t.co/VcAsjPG7OQ " >pic.twitter ... class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-16T15:42:04.452Z " >3.42pm <span class= " timezone " **29;41461;TOOLONG ... **34;41492;TOOLONG few more moves as both guys play with pace early : 10 . Na3 Ne6 11. f3 N4c5 12. d4 Nd7 13. c3 c6 14 . Nf4. </strong>Carlsen , thanks to the 30-second increment for each move , has more time than he started with , yet the significant advantage the <a href= " http : //analysis.sesse.net/ " >supercom ... gave the Norwegian champion when he initiated the queen trade ( 8 . Nxe7 ) appears to be gone now . That Carlsen is playing directly to Caruana 's strength during the first leg of his double white is a fascinating psychological salvo. <a href= " https : **33;41528;TOOLONG ... Carlsen 's father Henrik</a> on Norwegian TV : " Magnus feels that Caruana is playing in a way that makes him comfortable . He is in no hurry to score yet . " </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-16T15:26:41.837Z " >3.26pm <span class= " timezone " **29;41563;TOOLONG ... **40;41594;TOOLONG of the first 20 moves have involved the knights after 8 . Nxe7 Nxe2 9 . Nd5 Nd4 10 . Na3 Ne6. </strong> What a time to be alive . " This is one of the more peculiar openings I 've seen in a while ! " Russian chess grandmaster Peter Svidler grandmaster says . </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-16T15:19:38.252Z " >3.19pm <span class= " timezone " **29;41636;TOOLONG ... **36;41667;TOOLONG opening continues : 3 . Nxe5 d6 4 . Nd3 Nxe4. </strong> Another major surprise as Carlsen bursts into the Petroff ( 4 . Nd3 ! ? ) . Queens are out immediately after ( 5 . Qe2 Qe7 ) but the fireworks are only beginning : after only eight moves the queens are off the board ( 6 . Nf4 Nc6 7 . Nd5 Nd4 8 . Nxe7 Nxe2 ) ! </p><p lang= " en " dir= " ltr " >After <a href= " https : **27;41705;TOOLONG ? refs ... **26;41734;TOOLONG 4 . Nd3 ! ? it looked like <a href= " https : **28;41762;TOOLONG ? ref ... **25;41792;TOOLONG was trying to recall his preparation . <a href= " https : //t.co/YB9aq2VCgh " >pic.twitter ... lang= " en " dir= " ltr " >4 . Nd3 this is rare move and a new fashion in search for something different against the super solid Petrov . Just a couple month ago Fabiano faced it against So . I have the full game here <a href= " https : //t.co/YaB79vpvUq " >https : //t.c ... <a href= " https : //t.co/1lu6XLf9hi " >pic.twitter ... class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-16T15:09:52.807Z " >3.09pm <span class= " timezone " **29;41819;TOOLONG ... **38;41850;TOOLONG off and running in Game 6 ( after the <a href= " https : **33;41890;TOOLONG ... first move by Kay Burley</a> ) and we have our first <a href= " https : **33;41925;TOOLONG ... 1 . e4 e5 2 . Nf3 Nf6. </strong> This is Caruana 's best known prep and one of the subjects of what was revealed in the apparent intel leak . It plays right to the heart of the challenger 's strength and is his opening of choice . Here we go . </p><p lang= " en " dir= " ltr " >At game six . A " sharp " Petroff. <a href= " https : //t.co/L0ICesrBYb " >pic.twitter ... class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-16T14:58:50.506Z " >2.58pm <span class= " timezone " **29;41960;TOOLONG ... **37;41991;TOOLONG day and welcome to London for today 's Game 6 of the world chess championship between Norway 's Magnus Carlsen and Fabiano Caruana of the United States . </strong> We 're back in action after <a href= " https : **33;42030;TOOLONG ... fifth draw in as many games</a> where the best-of-12-games match remained deadlocked at 2 ? -all. </p><p>Game 1 was the best of the lot so far : a grueling seven-hour , 115-move draw , where Carlsen nearly become the first defending champion to win the opening game of a world title match with the black pieces in 37 years . The next four -- Saturday 's <a href= " https : **33;42065;TOOLONG ... 2</a> , Monday 's <a href= " https : **33;42100;TOOLONG ... 3</a> and Tuesday 's <a href= " https : **33;42135;TOOLONG ... 4</a> and yesterday 's <a href= " https : **33;42170;TOOLONG ... 5</a> -- have been mostly safer , conservative affairs . But the threat of first blood continues to loom over the proceedings . **33;42205;TOOLONG ... **45;42240;TOOLONG ... general thinking was that Caruana faced extra pressure on Thursday as white . That 's because Carlsen , who won the draw and elected to play Game 1 as black , will get to play back-to-back contests on Friday and Sunday as white under the regulations , which dictate the rotation of the colors is reversed at the midpoint of the match . </p><p> " Of course double black is coming up and this is a quite a serious challenge , but this was always going to happen , " Caruana said . " And whether I win or draw Thursday 's game , this was still going to happen . So I was n't approaching this game differently than any other . " </p><p class= " block-time published-time " > <time datetime= " 2018-11-15T23:36:57.536Z " >11.36p ... <span class= " timezone " **29;42287;TOOLONG ... **38;42318;TOOLONG will be here shortly . </strong> In the meantime <a href= " https : **33;42358;TOOLONG ... his report of yesterday 's Game 5</a> , where Carlsen weathered an early surprise by the challenger before the sides played to a 34-move draw . </p><p> <span>Related : </span><a href= " https : **33;42393;TOOLONG ... Carlsen thwarts Game 5 ambush in draw with Fabiano Caruana</a> </p><p> Magnus Carlsen and Fabiano Caruana played to a fifth draw in as many games on Thursday in the latest episode of their world championship showdown in London , as the Norwegian champion adroitly weathered early fireworks to negotiate a peaceful result after 34 moves and three-and-a-quarter hours . **26;42428;TOOLONG , playing with the white pieces , led with a Rossolimo ( 1 . e4 c5 2 . Nf3 Nc6 3 . Bb5 g6 ) , marking the third time in a week the players opened with the Sicilian variation . The American was first to deviate with 4 . O-O , then prompted gasps with 6. b4 ! ? , a highly aggressive move offering a pawn sacrifice with the hope of creating pressure and confusion and , ideally , winning chances in the long term . </p> <a href= " https : **33;42456;TOOLONG ... reading ... </a>World Chess Championship 2018Magnus CarlsenFabiano CaruanaChessSportUS sportsFri , 16 Nov 2018 22:45:18 GMThttp : **37;42491;TOOLONG ... Facundo **26;42530;TOOLONG : Facundo Arrizabalaga/EPABryan Armen **32;42558;TOOLONG Carlsen narrowly avoids Fabiano Caruana stunner in Game 6 epichttps : **35;42592;TOOLONG ... **25;42629;TOOLONG href= " https : **33;42656;TOOLONG ... stages bold escape in Game 6 thriller -- as it **45;42691;TOOLONG ... match deadlocked at 3-all after six **42;42738;TOOLONG Carlsen narrowly avoided a devastating upset on Friday in the sixth game of his world championship match with Fabiano Caruana in London , scratching back from the brink to save a miraculous draw after 80 moves . </p><p> <span>Related : </span><a href= " https : **33;42782;TOOLONG ... Carlsen barely saves draw as Fabiano Caruana misses win in Game 6 epic -- &nbsp ; live ! </a> **36;42817;TOOLONG **45;42855;TOOLONG ... <span>Related : </span><a href= " https : **33;42902;TOOLONG ... Magnus Carlsen v Fabiano Caruana match remains tightly poised</a> </p><p lang= " en " dir= " ltr " >Magnus does n't like what he sees after 60 . ... Bd8. <a href= " https : //t.co/mHaSPMVTOx " >pic.twitter ... <a href= " https : **33;42937;TOOLONG ... reading ... </a>World Chess Championship 2018ChessFabiano CaruanaMagnus CarlsenSportUS sportsFri , 16 Nov 2018 22:24:28 GMThttp : **37;42972;TOOLONG ... Facundo **26;43011;TOOLONG : Facundo Arrizabalaga/EPABryan Armen **26;43039;TOOLONG

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For that reason , cross is often a popular off-season training tool for the world 's best road riders .

This season , we saw a fascinating selection of WorldTour riders head off road in order to sharpen both their skills and fitness in preparation for the 2020 road season .

While there are genuine stars of both road and CX , including Lucinda Brand , Marianne Vos , and Mathieu van der Poel , we 've picked the riders who are n't racing in the winter as part of their regular plans , but are instead specifically using it to prepare for next season .

Perhaps the most surprising rider to make an appearance in CX racing in the 2019/2020 season is Romain Bardet .

The French star is a pure Grand Tour talent who is most comfortable battling up high-altitude climbs in the Alps or Pyrennees .

But after a few seasons of disappointment while chasing glory in the Tour de France , Bardet has opted to mix things up for 2020 , including racing cyclocross and opting for the Giro d'Italia instead of the Tour .

Ag2r La Mondiale @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ November , including Montbron-Eymouthiers on December 22 .

His results are actually pretty impressive too , as he finished third in Romagnat , Cournon D'Auvergne and Malintrat .

Let 's see if the top-end efforts over winter pay off in the Grand Tours .

The Team Ineos rider is an ever-present feature in the spring Classics and can always be seen burying himself in support of others at the Tour de France .

In November , Kwiatkowski hit the dirt in the Polish Cup , where he finished 13th . Wout van Aert

Wout van Aert at Loenhout ( Photo by Luc Claessen/Getty Images )

Now of course , you could easily put Wout van Aert in the same category as Van der Poel -- a phenomenal cyclocross rider who can also dominate on the road -- but this season is very different for the Belgian superstar .

While Van Aert had planned to race a complete cyclocross schedule , a disastrous crash during the time trial stage of the Tour de France put him out of racing for the remainder of @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ wound in his thigh , Van Aert finally returned to competition in Loenhout CX in December , where he finished fifth .

He followed up with fourth in Gullegem this month .

While Van Aert , a triple CX world champion , is still clearly performing at an unbelievably high level off-road , his plans for this winter are to get back up to full speed ready for the spring Classics .

That being said , it would n't be a shock if he 's able to find the legs to take a victory in the remaining few weeks of the CX season . Annemiek van Vleuten

After another phenomenal road season in 2019 , in which she won the World Championships , the Giro Rosa and Li ? ge-Bastogne-Li ? ge , Van Vleuten was already looking to 2020 when she lined up at the start of the Superprestige CX round of in Gieten in October .

Van Vleuten abandoned the race three quarters of the way through , but stuck around at the side-lines to cheer on her rivals . Heinrich @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ is Bahrain-McLaren 's Heinrich Haussler .

The Australian decided to test his off-road legs after Merida launched a CX bike , and he seems to have fallen in love with the discipline .

Haussler has raced seven events this winter , including the World Cup in Zolder where he finished 51st .

He had more luck in Germany in November however , finishing third in the Bundesliga-Vaihinger .

In an interview with Dutch broadcaster Sporza , he said : " It was very fun but very difficult . You can do 16 sprints or so in one hour . My average heart rate was very high , you just go in the red for an hour .

Regarding the name , we do n't know yet that they are n't changing the product 's name .

There 's nothing to gain by changing the company name but not the trading name . Given the complete mess RE continuea to be in on many levels , why would you keep the brand name associated with that mess , but change the company name ?

Still plenty more to come on this .

Let 's see if RE , LV or just HAAS is written on the side of the car in Germany .

Vin-X refer to themselves as " Fine Wine Investment Experts " . They 're based in a small office building in Horsham , West Sussex . Their main director , Peter R. Shakeshaft

You literally could not make it up .

But wine investment funds do not have a good reputation . Some are outright scams . The legit ones are not always good deals . The Wine Investment Fund for instance loses in more years than it wins - and if it wins big you face a 20% charge . And they 're not regulated . @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ . The product does n't necessarily have to be named that .

Yes - although they will have to call themselves SOMEthing . That they give the operating company an energy-drinky-type name suggests that 's what they will want to use .

Wow , too much to go though it detail here ( it always happens when I 'm travelling home - I get back and there 's 3 more pages in the thread ) .

Anyway , it looks like some guy has taken over what was Rich Energy Limited . It looks like he makes a business out of buying up failed companies . Look at all of the companies he ; s a director of and then look at who else is/was a director - he 's the sole director now and all of the other directors have resigned the moment he came in .

I 'd say that this is not suggested investor coup , this is something else ( maybe Storey bailing out ) . The nature of business of the new company is listed as " Wholesale of fruit and @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ I ca n't recall what REL was listed as , but I 'm sure it was slightly different to this .

This still does not resolve the issue with Whyte , though . He , personally , was a defendant in that case - so he 's still got to settle that one . I 'm watching what is going to happen now . I suspect that this has more to do with Storey than with those against him .

But wine investment funds do not have a good reputation . Some are outright scams . The legit ones are not always good deals . The Wine Investment Fund for instance loses in more years than it wins - and if it wins big you face a 20% charge . And they 're not regulated .

Yes - although they will have to call themselves SOMEthing . That they give the operating company an energy-drinky-type name suggests that 's what they will want to use .

But it 's Austin Healy has been a director since Oct 2013 . I would not think that he would @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ I guess you never can tell ) .

I did just have the , not entirely serious , thought that maybe they are changing the name becaues they have no legal way to wrestle control of the RE Twitter account !

As I say , not entirely serious ....

But ... they 've changed the company name , seemingly STILL do not have control of the Twitter account , and on Twitter there are already one or two handles taken that they would be most likely to use , and at least one is a parody account already putting tweets out .

Wow , too much to go though it detail here ( it always happens when I 'm travelling home - I get back and there 's 3 more pages in the thread ) .

Anyway , it looks like some guy has taken over what was Rich Energy Limited . It looks like he makes a business out of buying up failed companies . Look at all of the companies he ; s a director of and then look at who else is/was @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ all of the other directors have resigned the moment he came in .

I 'd say that this is not suggested investor coup , this is something else ( maybe Storey bailing out ) . The nature of business of the new company is listed as " Wholesale of fruit and vegetable juices , mineral water and soft drinks " - I ca n't recall what REL was listed as , but I 'm sure it was slightly different to this .

This still does not resolve the issue with Whyte , though . He , personally , was a defendant in that case - so he 's still got to settle that one . I 'm watching what is going to happen now . I suspect that this has more to do with Storey than with those against him .

Not for the company either . They still have to deliver the requested info and if Storey does n't pay , the legal costs . The name change does n't change that .

Edit : Until all court stuff Whyte is over , they have @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ Ltd. and have had the stolen logo on THEIR product .

I did just have the , not entirely serious , thought that maybe they are changing the name becaues they have no legal way to wrestle control of the RE Twitter account !

As I say , not entirely serious ....

But ... they 've changed the company name , seemingly STILL do not have control of the Twitter account , and on Twitter there are already one or two handles taken that they would be most likely to use , and at least one is a parody account already putting tweets out .

So , so far , LV are no better at public relatioms than RE .

Not changing names - the company has been bought buy someone who buys failed companies , I think . Forget a take-over or a revival . This is just an aside .

Not for the company either . They still have to deliver the requested info and if Storey does n't pay , the legal costs . The name change does n't change that @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ over , they have to act in that case as if they are RE Ltd. and have had the stolen logo on THEIR product .

Not changing names - the company has been bought buy someone who buys failed companies , I think . Forget a take-over or a revival . This is just an aside .

Of course , thinking more about this , it could be that the ' investors ' have gotten Mathew Kell as an intermediary . Maybe his role is to take over the company , sort out the outstanding court cases and then transfer control over to the money men .

You have to love how the BDG Group describe themselves in headlines on their website :

" As the UK 's leading unlicensed Insolvency Practitioners we offer a genuine alternative to our clients which will give you a clean bill of health going forwards , your reputation will be intact , and we 'll deal with all the outstanding issues . Does this sound too good to be true ? It 's not ! "

Yep , if @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ definitely entrust my finances and reputation to an unlicensed practitioner ! I have found that unlicensed doctors and lawyers also do a great job .

I had thought that , by now , this farce 's Director of Central Casting would have run out of amateurs to put in the show , but I was wrong .

Possibly illegal too !

An Insolvency Practitioner ( IP ) is someone who is licensed and authorised to act in relation to an insolvent individual , partnership or company . Most IPs are accountants or insolvency specialists working in firms of accountants .

An IP must hold a licence and have :

passed the insolvency examinations ( JIEB exams ) ;

gained experience in insolvency work ; and

satisfied an authorising organisation ( also known as regulator ) that they are fit and proper to act as an IP .

that the Director of the above-named Company ( the ' convener ' ) is seeking a decision from creditors on the nomination of Joint Liquidators by way of a virtual meeting . A resolution to @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ February 2019 .

that a meeting of the creditors of the Company will be held at Jury 's Inn Aberdeen Airport , Argyll Road , Dyce , Aberdeen , AB21 0AF , on 19 February 2019 , at 11.00 am for the purposes mentioned in Sections 99 , 100 and 101 of the said Act . Creditors wishing to vote at the meeting must lodge their proxy , together with a statement of their claim at the offices of Kay Johnson Gee Corporate Recovery Limited , 1 City Road East , Manchester , M15 4PN , by no later than 12 noon on the business day preceding the date of the Meeting . Resolutions to be taken at the meeting may include a resolution specifying the terms on which the liquidator is to be remunerated ,

I do n't know much about this . Could it be that these lot simply ( for a fee ) buy you out so that you do not get disqualified and barred from holding a directorship in other companies ( i.e. keeping your reputation intact ) ?

Am I the only @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ come about because Storey , rather than saying to Whyte " Oh yes , our logo is very similar to yours . We 'll change it or perhaps we could come to some arrangement so that we can continue to use it . " , just ignored them and took to twitter to belittle them when they started to complain . I keep thinking that he could have kept this going for a lot longer if he had capitulated on the logo issue .

Anybody remember the good old days when everybody knew some loud mouthed sponsor smelt fishy but no outsider knew the details . Then at some point in time on our weekly motorsport update we 'd see the news " Court ruled it was a fraud , CEO sentenced to prison " . Case closed .

Am I the only one who thinks that this whole sorry situation has only come about because Storey , rather than saying to Whyte " Oh yes , our logo is very similar to yours . We 'll change it or perhaps we could come to some arrangement so @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ just ignored them and took to twitter to belittle them when they started to complain . I keep thinking that he could have kept this going for a lot longer if he had capitulated on the logo issue .

For sure , but i think after the first payment towards Haas he has been operating on low budget and likely only got the " sponsorship " payments as financier with transport shares after each payment and operation costs should be covered by the sales . Something like hat i can see have happened and he ( and the investors ) not or too late realized there was more investment needed besides sponsorschipdeal money .

It 's interesting if we get inside in the sponsordeal and by that more inside in RE as company . How much where they investing beside that ? I calculated earlier they need easy double investment to get maximal out of the F1 sponsorship deal and get the sales running . There is no indication at all they spent that kind of money until now .

How did Haas ever get involved with @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ . Are we sure his empire is in good financial health ?

This is my number one concern at this point .

The Haas fans of the forum have consistently assured us that Haas is in a good state , but then why would they get into bed with this absolute disaster of a company for a title sponsorship ? I 'm just glad they did n't end up with Williams .

Incredible . Saw the Racer article , with the investors ( who interestingly also claim to be creditors - suggesting their cash has gone in as a loan as well as equity ) saying they were in the process of wresting control of the company from Wild Bill , and that once they had done that ( and got the twitter password off him ) it would be back to business as usual .

Then the identity of the new shareholder and directors became apparent , and we have BDG identified here ( well played , sleuths ) and Wild Bill saying he 's sold out and ... sheesh ... the crazy just continues @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ was for Companies House .

So , looks like the investors have to fight someone new for control of the company . Someone else whose website suggests some highly dubious business practices ( appoint us director and we will work for you ! erm , directors have to act in the best interests of the company - not the best interests of the rat that 's left the sinking ship ... ) . And , are the distribution rights to the drink even still in the company ?

It never looked like this was going to end well from the start . But this ? This is even worse of a car crash than I imagined possible .

How did Haas ever get involved with this ' company ' ? You have got ta worry . Are we sure his empire is in good financial health ?

Autosport reported that " Rich 's first association with F1 came last summer when Storey attempted to buy the then-Force India team . Later he pursued a sponsorship deal with Williams , in which Bernie Ecclestone had a hand @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ showed some proof to Gene Haas that Bernie was involved with them when they were talking with WIlliams and with this he gained Genes initial trust because when Bernie is involved things cant go wrong

Based on the tweets from WS I believe this is his thinking : I sell the assets of RE to this other company totally controlled by me ( RE Racing ? ) for 1 pound . The assets he called " exclusive distribution rights " so I wonder who owns the product rights ? Then I sell my shares in RE to a specialist in insolvency proceedings to handle the claims from Whyte , Haas and others and I am off the hook and can continue with the Rich Energy business in my wholly-owned company . This way I have gotten rid of the minority shareholders and all the claims and now I will get rich from the energy drink business . However I think he will be in even bigger trouble now then he was previously ...

Based on the tweets from WS I believe this is his thinking : I sell @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ by me ( RE Racing ? ) for 1 pound . The assets he called " exclusive distribution rights " so I wonder who owns the product rights ? Then I sell my shares in RE to a specialist in insolvency proceedings to handle the claims from Whyte , Haas and others and I am off the hook and can continue with the Rich Energy business in my wholly-owned company . This way I have gotten rid of the minority shareholders and all the claims and now I will get rich from the energy drink business . However I think he will be in even bigger trouble now then he was previously ...

The Haas fans of the forum have consistently assured us that Haas is in a good state , but then why would they get into bed with this absolute disaster of a company for a title sponsorship ? I 'm just glad they did n't end up with Williams .

As I said here , potentially a shot to nothing for Haas if there were n't any other sponsorship offers on the table for them @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ , from a variety of angles , that the notion Haas must have had a small army of advisors , including lawyers , doing due diligence on Rich Energy was fanciful .

I kind of expected payments to be missed , and the logos to be removed from the car come end of the season , with Haas seeking to save face claiming they got paid for Y1 but things just did n't work out . I did n't expect this much egg on Haas ' face ( and I suspect they did n't , either ) .

Incredible . Saw the Racer article , with the investors ( who interestingly also claim to be creditors - suggesting their cash has gone in as a loan as well as equity ) saying they were in the process of wresting control of the company from Wild Bill , and that once they had done that ( and got the twitter password off him ) it would be back to business as usual .

Then the identity of the new shareholder and directors became apparent , and we have @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ Wild Bill saying he 's sold out and ... sheesh ... the crazy just continues . I guess the other important password Wild Bill held was for Companies House .

So , looks like the investors have to fight someone new for control of the company . Someone else whose website suggests some highly dubious business practices ( appoint us director and we will work for you ! erm , directors have to act in the best interests of the company - not the best interests of the rat that 's left the sinking ship ... ) . And , are the distribution rights to the drink even still in the company ?

It never looked like this was going to end well from the start . But this ? This is even worse of a car crash than I imagined possible .

What I 've been saying for a few days now is that the whole " Rich Energy " concept was dead . Those ' investors ' should have realised that they had been scammed and that there was going to be nothing for them @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ salvage . It 's just another piece of evidence suggesting that these people really have n't got a clue .

You have to love how the BDG Group describe themselves in headlines on their website :

" As the UK 's leading unlicensed Insolvency Practitioners we offer a genuine alternative to our clients which will give you a clean bill of health going forwards , your reputation will be intact , and we 'll deal with all the outstanding issues . Does this sound too good to be true ? It 's not ! "

Yep , if I ever needed help with an insolvency , I 'd definitely entrust my finances and reputation to an unlicensed practitioner ! I have found that unlicensed doctors and lawyers also do a great job .

I had thought that , by now , this farce 's Director of Central Casting would have run out of amateurs to put in the show , but I was wrong .

The word unlicensed jumped out at me , too . Heck , I saw it and could n't finish the @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ the next sentence because of it , kept scanning back to it . WTF ?

The Haas fans of the forum have consistently assured us that Haas is in a good state , but then why would they get into bed with this absolute disaster of a company for a title sponsorship ? I 'm just glad they did n't end up with Williams .

It really is quite simple . Whether they needed it or not , they just saw the currency signs appearing and were blind from then on . I always say , the only people who are scammed are those who are greedy . I know what I think about the people at Haas .

Based on the tweets from WS I believe this is his thinking : I sell the assets of RE to this other company totally controlled by me ( RE Racing ? ) for 1 pound . The assets he called " exclusive distribution rights " so I wonder who owns the product rights ? Then I sell my shares in RE to a specialist in insolvency proceedings to @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ I am off the hook and can continue with the Rich Energy business in my wholly-owned company . This way I have gotten rid of the minority shareholders and all the claims and now I will get rich from the energy drink business . However I think he will be in even bigger trouble now then he was previously ...

Regarding the name , we do n't know yet that they are n't changing the product 's name .

There 's nothing to gain by changing the company name but not the trading name . Given the complete mess RE continuea to be in on many levels , why would you keep the brand name associated with that mess , but change the company name ?

Still plenty more to come on this .

Let 's see if RE , LV or just HAAS is written on the side of the car in Germany .

Vin-X refer to themselves as " Fine Wine Investment Experts " . They 're based in a small office building in Horsham , West Sussex . Their main director , Peter R. Shakeshaft

You literally could not make it up .

But wine investment funds do not have a good reputation . Some are outright scams . The legit ones are not always good deals . The Wine Investment Fund for instance loses in more years than it wins - and if it wins big you face a 20% charge . And they 're not regulated . @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ . The product does n't necessarily have to be named that .

Yes - although they will have to call themselves SOMEthing . That they give the operating company an energy-drinky-type name suggests that 's what they will want to use .

Wow , too much to go though it detail here ( it always happens when I 'm travelling home - I get back and there 's 3 more pages in the thread ) .

Anyway , it looks like some guy has taken over what was Rich Energy Limited . It looks like he makes a business out of buying up failed companies . Look at all of the companies he ; s a director of and then look at who else is/was a director - he 's the sole director now and all of the other directors have resigned the moment he came in .

I 'd say that this is not suggested investor coup , this is something else ( maybe Storey bailing out ) . The nature of business of the new company is listed as " Wholesale of fruit and @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ I ca n't recall what REL was listed as , but I 'm sure it was slightly different to this .

This still does not resolve the issue with Whyte , though . He , personally , was a defendant in that case - so he 's still got to settle that one . I 'm watching what is going to happen now . I suspect that this has more to do with Storey than with those against him .

But wine investment funds do not have a good reputation . Some are outright scams . The legit ones are not always good deals . The Wine Investment Fund for instance loses in more years than it wins - and if it wins big you face a 20% charge . And they 're not regulated .

Yes - although they will have to call themselves SOMEthing . That they give the operating company an energy-drinky-type name suggests that 's what they will want to use .

But it 's Austin Healy has been a director since Oct 2013 . I would not think that he would @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ I guess you never can tell ) .

I did just have the , not entirely serious , thought that maybe they are changing the name becaues they have no legal way to wrestle control of the RE Twitter account !

As I say , not entirely serious ....

But ... they 've changed the company name , seemingly STILL do not have control of the Twitter account , and on Twitter there are already one or two handles taken that they would be most likely to use , and at least one is a parody account already putting tweets out .

Wow , too much to go though it detail here ( it always happens when I 'm travelling home - I get back and there 's 3 more pages in the thread ) .

Anyway , it looks like some guy has taken over what was Rich Energy Limited . It looks like he makes a business out of buying up failed companies . Look at all of the companies he ; s a director of and then look at who else is/was @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ all of the other directors have resigned the moment he came in .

I 'd say that this is not suggested investor coup , this is something else ( maybe Storey bailing out ) . The nature of business of the new company is listed as " Wholesale of fruit and vegetable juices , mineral water and soft drinks " - I ca n't recall what REL was listed as , but I 'm sure it was slightly different to this .

This still does not resolve the issue with Whyte , though . He , personally , was a defendant in that case - so he 's still got to settle that one . I 'm watching what is going to happen now . I suspect that this has more to do with Storey than with those against him .

Not for the company either . They still have to deliver the requested info and if Storey does n't pay , the legal costs . The name change does n't change that .

Edit : Until all court stuff Whyte is over , they have @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ Ltd. and have had the stolen logo on THEIR product .

I did just have the , not entirely serious , thought that maybe they are changing the name becaues they have no legal way to wrestle control of the RE Twitter account !

As I say , not entirely serious ....

But ... they 've changed the company name , seemingly STILL do not have control of the Twitter account , and on Twitter there are already one or two handles taken that they would be most likely to use , and at least one is a parody account already putting tweets out .

So , so far , LV are no better at public relatioms than RE .

Not changing names - the company has been bought buy someone who buys failed companies , I think . Forget a take-over or a revival . This is just an aside .

Not for the company either . They still have to deliver the requested info and if Storey does n't pay , the legal costs . The name change does n't change that @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ over , they have to act in that case as if they are RE Ltd. and have had the stolen logo on THEIR product .

Not changing names - the company has been bought buy someone who buys failed companies , I think . Forget a take-over or a revival . This is just an aside .

Of course , thinking more about this , it could be that the ' investors ' have gotten Mathew Kell as an intermediary . Maybe his role is to take over the company , sort out the outstanding court cases and then transfer control over to the money men .

You have to love how the BDG Group describe themselves in headlines on their website :

" As the UK 's leading unlicensed Insolvency Practitioners we offer a genuine alternative to our clients which will give you a clean bill of health going forwards , your reputation will be intact , and we 'll deal with all the outstanding issues . Does this sound too good to be true ? It 's not ! "

Yep , if @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ definitely entrust my finances and reputation to an unlicensed practitioner ! I have found that unlicensed doctors and lawyers also do a great job .

I had thought that , by now , this farce 's Director of Central Casting would have run out of amateurs to put in the show , but I was wrong .

Possibly illegal too !

An Insolvency Practitioner ( IP ) is someone who is licensed and authorised to act in relation to an insolvent individual , partnership or company . Most IPs are accountants or insolvency specialists working in firms of accountants .

An IP must hold a licence and have :

passed the insolvency examinations ( JIEB exams ) ;

gained experience in insolvency work ; and

satisfied an authorising organisation ( also known as regulator ) that they are fit and proper to act as an IP .

that the Director of the above-named Company ( the ' convener ' ) is seeking a decision from creditors on the nomination of Joint Liquidators by way of a virtual meeting . A resolution to @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ February 2019 .

that a meeting of the creditors of the Company will be held at Jury 's Inn Aberdeen Airport , Argyll Road , Dyce , Aberdeen , AB21 0AF , on 19 February 2019 , at 11.00 am for the purposes mentioned in Sections 99 , 100 and 101 of the said Act . Creditors wishing to vote at the meeting must lodge their proxy , together with a statement of their claim at the offices of Kay Johnson Gee Corporate Recovery Limited , 1 City Road East , Manchester , M15 4PN , by no later than 12 noon on the business day preceding the date of the Meeting . Resolutions to be taken at the meeting may include a resolution specifying the terms on which the liquidator is to be remunerated ,

I do n't know much about this . Could it be that these lot simply ( for a fee ) buy you out so that you do not get disqualified and barred from holding a directorship in other companies ( i.e. keeping your reputation intact ) ?

Am I the only @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ come about because Storey , rather than saying to Whyte " Oh yes , our logo is very similar to yours . We 'll change it or perhaps we could come to some arrangement so that we can continue to use it . " , just ignored them and took to twitter to belittle them when they started to complain . I keep thinking that he could have kept this going for a lot longer if he had capitulated on the logo issue .

Anybody remember the good old days when everybody knew some loud mouthed sponsor smelt fishy but no outsider knew the details . Then at some point in time on our weekly motorsport update we 'd see the news " Court ruled it was a fraud , CEO sentenced to prison " . Case closed .

Am I the only one who thinks that this whole sorry situation has only come about because Storey , rather than saying to Whyte " Oh yes , our logo is very similar to yours . We 'll change it or perhaps we could come to some arrangement so @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ just ignored them and took to twitter to belittle them when they started to complain . I keep thinking that he could have kept this going for a lot longer if he had capitulated on the logo issue .

For sure , but i think after the first payment towards Haas he has been operating on low budget and likely only got the " sponsorship " payments as financier with transport shares after each payment and operation costs should be covered by the sales . Something like hat i can see have happened and he ( and the investors ) not or too late realized there was more investment needed besides sponsorschipdeal money .

It 's interesting if we get inside in the sponsordeal and by that more inside in RE as company . How much where they investing beside that ? I calculated earlier they need easy double investment to get maximal out of the F1 sponsorship deal and get the sales running . There is no indication at all they spent that kind of money until now .

How did Haas ever get involved with @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ . Are we sure his empire is in good financial health ?

This is my number one concern at this point .

The Haas fans of the forum have consistently assured us that Haas is in a good state , but then why would they get into bed with this absolute disaster of a company for a title sponsorship ? I 'm just glad they did n't end up with Williams .

Incredible . Saw the Racer article , with the investors ( who interestingly also claim to be creditors - suggesting their cash has gone in as a loan as well as equity ) saying they were in the process of wresting control of the company from Wild Bill , and that once they had done that ( and got the twitter password off him ) it would be back to business as usual .

Then the identity of the new shareholder and directors became apparent , and we have BDG identified here ( well played , sleuths ) and Wild Bill saying he 's sold out and ... sheesh ... the crazy just continues @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ was for Companies House .

So , looks like the investors have to fight someone new for control of the company . Someone else whose website suggests some highly dubious business practices ( appoint us director and we will work for you ! erm , directors have to act in the best interests of the company - not the best interests of the rat that 's left the sinking ship ... ) . And , are the distribution rights to the drink even still in the company ?

It never looked like this was going to end well from the start . But this ? This is even worse of a car crash than I imagined possible .

How did Haas ever get involved with this ' company ' ? You have got ta worry . Are we sure his empire is in good financial health ?

Autosport reported that " Rich 's first association with F1 came last summer when Storey attempted to buy the then-Force India team . Later he pursued a sponsorship deal with Williams , in which Bernie Ecclestone had a hand @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ showed some proof to Gene Haas that Bernie was involved with them when they were talking with WIlliams and with this he gained Genes initial trust because when Bernie is involved things cant go wrong

Based on the tweets from WS I believe this is his thinking : I sell the assets of RE to this other company totally controlled by me ( RE Racing ? ) for 1 pound . The assets he called " exclusive distribution rights " so I wonder who owns the product rights ? Then I sell my shares in RE to a specialist in insolvency proceedings to handle the claims from Whyte , Haas and others and I am off the hook and can continue with the Rich Energy business in my wholly-owned company . This way I have gotten rid of the minority shareholders and all the claims and now I will get rich from the energy drink business . However I think he will be in even bigger trouble now then he was previously ...

Based on the tweets from WS I believe this is his thinking : I sell @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ by me ( RE Racing ? ) for 1 pound . The assets he called " exclusive distribution rights " so I wonder who owns the product rights ? Then I sell my shares in RE to a specialist in insolvency proceedings to handle the claims from Whyte , Haas and others and I am off the hook and can continue with the Rich Energy business in my wholly-owned company . This way I have gotten rid of the minority shareholders and all the claims and now I will get rich from the energy drink business . However I think he will be in even bigger trouble now then he was previously ...

The Haas fans of the forum have consistently assured us that Haas is in a good state , but then why would they get into bed with this absolute disaster of a company for a title sponsorship ? I 'm just glad they did n't end up with Williams .

As I said here , potentially a shot to nothing for Haas if there were n't any other sponsorship offers on the table for them @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ , from a variety of angles , that the notion Haas must have had a small army of advisors , including lawyers , doing due diligence on Rich Energy was fanciful .

I kind of expected payments to be missed , and the logos to be removed from the car come end of the season , with Haas seeking to save face claiming they got paid for Y1 but things just did n't work out . I did n't expect this much egg on Haas ' face ( and I suspect they did n't , either ) .

Incredible . Saw the Racer article , with the investors ( who interestingly also claim to be creditors - suggesting their cash has gone in as a loan as well as equity ) saying they were in the process of wresting control of the company from Wild Bill , and that once they had done that ( and got the twitter password off him ) it would be back to business as usual .

Then the identity of the new shareholder and directors became apparent , and we have @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ Wild Bill saying he 's sold out and ... sheesh ... the crazy just continues . I guess the other important password Wild Bill held was for Companies House .

So , looks like the investors have to fight someone new for control of the company . Someone else whose website suggests some highly dubious business practices ( appoint us director and we will work for you ! erm , directors have to act in the best interests of the company - not the best interests of the rat that 's left the sinking ship ... ) . And , are the distribution rights to the drink even still in the company ?

It never looked like this was going to end well from the start . But this ? This is even worse of a car crash than I imagined possible .

What I 've been saying for a few days now is that the whole " Rich Energy " concept was dead . Those ' investors ' should have realised that they had been scammed and that there was going to be nothing for them @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ salvage . It 's just another piece of evidence suggesting that these people really have n't got a clue .

You have to love how the BDG Group describe themselves in headlines on their website :

" As the UK 's leading unlicensed Insolvency Practitioners we offer a genuine alternative to our clients which will give you a clean bill of health going forwards , your reputation will be intact , and we 'll deal with all the outstanding issues . Does this sound too good to be true ? It 's not ! "

Yep , if I ever needed help with an insolvency , I 'd definitely entrust my finances and reputation to an unlicensed practitioner ! I have found that unlicensed doctors and lawyers also do a great job .

I had thought that , by now , this farce 's Director of Central Casting would have run out of amateurs to put in the show , but I was wrong .

The word unlicensed jumped out at me , too . Heck , I saw it and could n't finish the @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ the next sentence because of it , kept scanning back to it . WTF ?

The Haas fans of the forum have consistently assured us that Haas is in a good state , but then why would they get into bed with this absolute disaster of a company for a title sponsorship ? I 'm just glad they did n't end up with Williams .

It really is quite simple . Whether they needed it or not , they just saw the currency signs appearing and were blind from then on . I always say , the only people who are scammed are those who are greedy . I know what I think about the people at Haas .

Based on the tweets from WS I believe this is his thinking : I sell the assets of RE to this other company totally controlled by me ( RE Racing ? ) for 1 pound . The assets he called " exclusive distribution rights " so I wonder who owns the product rights ? Then I sell my shares in RE to a specialist in insolvency proceedings to @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ I am off the hook and can continue with the Rich Energy business in my wholly-owned company . This way I have gotten rid of the minority shareholders and all the claims and now I will get rich from the energy drink business . However I think he will be in even bigger trouble now then he was previously ...

Climate change in a feedback loop will destroy the biosphere , so no . Life wo n't go on . If something is n't done immediately to halt rising atmospheric carbon , if it is n't already too late , then life wo n't go on at all . Everything will be destroyed when we destroy the biosphere .

Traditionally , February is the the worst month for fires over here . It 's the hottest weather , and the bush/forest/ farmland bakes thru the summer , drying out over time . We always get the biggest fires in February . It 's gon na be a long wait .

I 've just been reading about the Australian Mining industry the continent is so chin deep in the pockets of the conglomerates & there is no way the Morrison led ' type ' of governance is going to do a U turn now . It 's all going to go to hell & the sooner we realise no one in power ' currently ' is even concerned let alone prepared to lift a bloody finger to help . Cuddly bears & Kangaroo 's well when did @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ alone a ' bear ' cough cough splutter choke The Planet is over everybody it 's just how ' we die ' that counts now

Recent findings that nearly two-thirds of total industrial CO2 and CH4 emissions can be traced to 90 major industrial carbon producers have drawn attention to their potential climate responsibilities . "

If the individual , nations , industries and companies who are the biggest contributors to greenhouse gas emissions and climate change would take responsibility for their actions that can be traced back in same cases to the 1880s it would be great . But they do n't . What 's worse , the biggest polluters are the same actors who sponsor bogus institutes , thin tanks and fake NGOs , let alone prop up populist politicians .

The reality is that our greed and chasing profit and continuous economic growth has taken place without any consideration for environment . Our economies , national states and corporations are led by individuals who know the cost of everything and the value of nothing .

What is the cost of animals burning alive @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ air , drinking poisoned water and eating food grown in polluted ground ?

What is the cost of being net importers of carbon dioxide emissions as a result of buying goods manufactured abroad , is not something that us , the billions who are changing ever so often our shiny tech gadgets and cars seem to care about . We like our lives , our comfort and somewhat seem to hold grudge to other countries doing what we have done in the last centuries .

20 firms are behind a third of all carbon emissions , and what 's worse , some of these companies have long been supported by our governments which meddled in places like the Middle East , Africa , Asia , South America , funded rogue players and dictators as long as they served our commercial and political interests .

" Outside of the domain of the UNFCCC , broader societal discussions have begun to consider the climate responsibilities of non-state actors .

These include individual high emitters regardless of nationality ( Chakravarty et al . 2009 ) and high-emitting industries regardless @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ ) .

They also include the major multinational fossil energy companies at the base of the carbon supply chain , who to date have no responsibility from marketed products under existing policy regimes , but whose prospective responsibilities are receiving growing attention in scholarly , policy , institutional investment , legal , and public spheres ( Leone 2012 ; Lubber 2012 ; Frumhoff et al . 2015 ; van Renssen 2016 ) .

Attention to the responsibilities of fossil fuel producers is supported by recent research by Heede ( 2014 ) , who found that nearly two-thirds of all industrial carbon dioxide ( CO2 ) and methane ( CH4 ) emissions can be traced to the products of a small number of major industrial carbon producers ; 83 producers of coal , oil , natural gas , and 7 cement manufacturers . "

Ultimately , under existing policy regimes polluters have little or no responsibility.TO give an example from the UK , oil and gas industry stood to make billions in profit , while the British taxpayers are now asked to pick up the bills for oil @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ the profit kept on selling and reselling their businesses , policy makers/ legislators have failed to acknowledge the damage to environment and identify the risks caused by the need to clean up and decommission , the rightwing thinktanks funded by the industry have spoon-fed the mainstream media and the voters with deceitful claims and outright lies , the environment has been damaged . And it 's those who must sell their labour , skills and expertise who are now demanded by their chronically passive and corrupt politicians to pay the clean up bill , while those who extracted the money are evading to pay taxes , have not paid for clean up and stash their tens of trillions of $ in tax havens .

Britain is now G7 's biggest net importer of CO2 emissions per capita , according to the ONS , yet our politicians want to trade more with faraway countries

What most western countries have done in the last decades , was to outsource their carbon emissions to developing nations . In Australia though , people voted for more coal industry . With disastrous effects @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ the consequences , and above all I dread the loss of lives , habitat and the exodus of animals and humans .

Sadly ... it comes down to a combination of political apathy , willful ignorance regarding CC , selfishness and greed ... the government promised tax cuts , the RWNJ media figures and Murdoch media helped spread lies about Labor introducing death duties , owners of investment properties did n't want to stop getting government assistance to subsidize their mortgages and wealthy retirees , many of whom had not paid any tax anyway , did n't want to miss out of receiving franking credit dividends . So ... basic greed and selfishness .

It 's beyond dispute that indigenous Australians managed the land in a planned manner , and that fact does n't change if some species fell by the wayside in the process .

Also , those extinctions happened about 40,000 years ago . So even if humans were the cause , there have been thousands of generations of indigenous Australians since then that did n't cause mass extinctions .

About 30-35 years ago @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ travelled the world to study the state of coasts , reefs and oceans . They accumulated incredible data . At the time , they told us " the reef is suffering " . They put their case to governments and local authorities . Sadly they were told to go for a walk . Environment does n't pay you see , exploiting the land and the resources does . How sad !

It seems to be a terrible trend at the moment and I wonder if they 're all getting the same coach or adviser on how to be elected . The world needs better leaders with a good sense of what 's right for the people and country , who protects the environment ( environ = surroundings , environment = that which surrounds you ) . Enough of these vested interests .

The thought of these beautiful little creatures dying in such awful circumstances breaks my heart . I have n't read the article as I no longer possess a sufficiently strong constitution that would enable me to read the details presumably within it . Awful , just @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ thought we in California had it bad but this is way out of control , and it looks as it will last a while if Australia does n't get immediate serious international help . The air at the moment must be unbearable for all , and there will be plenty of heath issues for everyone - people and animals included .

Heartbreaking but no different to the images of emancipated polar bears clinging to the remnants of an ice flow or a orang-utan lashing out at the mechanical monster devouring it 's tree canopy habitat or fox bats dropping in their thousands from heat exhaustion .

The human is the most is the most selfish , cruel , greedy beast and nowhere near as intelligent as it supposes itself to be .

' ..... but kangaroos are vermin . ' Vermin ? I guess some might argue that kangaroos ruin fences , cause hazards on the roads , compete with their sheep and cattle for food and water . In other words their activities can be a nuisance to humans and their businesses . Therefore they 're @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ elimination.In the light of the catastrophic bush fires destroying everything in their path whether human habitations , animals , or people- maybe its time to reflect on the role of humans as the chief perpetrators of wholesale destruction in their capacity to carry on feeding the global warming and climate change that is driving these fires .

It 's a nightmare unfolding . The land where I was raised and fondly remember is devastated . Such an ancient land with a poignant grandeur , the eucalyptus fragrance palpable in the sizzling heat , the bird song , the diverse wildlife . Why oh why have the electorate willingly voted in criminals who have brazenly destroyed parts of the barrier reef to let in coal ships and the coal mines destroying the water base , gleefully saying that Oz is exporting the most coal in the world ? The Australians voted in a climate change denier who is also an evangelical far right religious nut . No one else voted him in , the Australians did ! Now those very people are in peril . Is this what it 's @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ , to stop and think about these vile leaders from Trump to Bolsenaro , who are in cahoots with Murdoch , Putin and so many others , and vote them OUT ! Wake up World . Let 's hope the one and only thing that 's positive about this Australian apocalypse is change could come . Let 's hope .

Yes , jellyfish populations have exploded . They can live in poor quality and oxygen poor oceans . And their increase is a direct result of their natural predators disappearing through overfishing . Also , jellyfish offer little to the oceans , they even eat fish eggs . So there 's yet another problem that is going to be very difficult to halt . Already , they have shutdown huge ships engines and shutdown nuclear reactors after huge amounts have been sucked into the engine systems . I do n't give a damn about that , but it shows how many there are , and it 's a bloody serious issue .

There 's no need to be quite so triumphant and self righteous . A lot of @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ the warnings of scientists , David Attenborough and Greta Thunberg is not anything like watching millions of animals and fauna being burned alive - as I 'm sure you realise . It 's next level horrifying . The one ' good ' thing to hopefully come out of this is that certain truths are unavoidable now and there will be difficult questions to answer for Australia in particular - and other CC denying governments . Although sadly , the big global players - Russia , China and India will continue to do what is best for their friends in big business . CC needs to be a priority for voters in future . Not an afterthought . It needs to be front and centre and first world countries need to lead on it . I do think we will see a change in Australia now and possibly the US *if* they elect a new president .

Climate change in a feedback loop will destroy the biosphere , so no . Life wo n't go on . If something is n't done immediately to halt rising atmospheric carbon , if it is n't already too late , then life wo n't go on at all . Everything will be destroyed when we destroy the biosphere .

Traditionally , February is the the worst month for fires over here . It 's the hottest weather , and the bush/forest/ farmland bakes thru the summer , drying out over time . We always get the biggest fires in February . It 's gon na be a long wait .

I 've just been reading about the Australian Mining industry the continent is so chin deep in the pockets of the conglomerates & there is no way the Morrison led ' type ' of governance is going to do a U turn now . It 's all going to go to hell & the sooner we realise no one in power ' currently ' is even concerned let alone prepared to lift a bloody finger to help . Cuddly bears & Kangaroo 's well when did @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ alone a ' bear ' cough cough splutter choke The Planet is over everybody it 's just how ' we die ' that counts now

Recent findings that nearly two-thirds of total industrial CO2 and CH4 emissions can be traced to 90 major industrial carbon producers have drawn attention to their potential climate responsibilities . "

If the individual , nations , industries and companies who are the biggest contributors to greenhouse gas emissions and climate change would take responsibility for their actions that can be traced back in same cases to the 1880s it would be great . But they do n't . What 's worse , the biggest polluters are the same actors who sponsor bogus institutes , thin tanks and fake NGOs , let alone prop up populist politicians .

The reality is that our greed and chasing profit and continuous economic growth has taken place without any consideration for environment . Our economies , national states and corporations are led by individuals who know the cost of everything and the value of nothing .

What is the cost of animals burning alive @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ air , drinking poisoned water and eating food grown in polluted ground ?

What is the cost of being net importers of carbon dioxide emissions as a result of buying goods manufactured abroad , is not something that us , the billions who are changing ever so often our shiny tech gadgets and cars seem to care about . We like our lives , our comfort and somewhat seem to hold grudge to other countries doing what we have done in the last centuries .

20 firms are behind a third of all carbon emissions , and what 's worse , some of these companies have long been supported by our governments which meddled in places like the Middle East , Africa , Asia , South America , funded rogue players and dictators as long as they served our commercial and political interests .

" Outside of the domain of the UNFCCC , broader societal discussions have begun to consider the climate responsibilities of non-state actors .

These include individual high emitters regardless of nationality ( Chakravarty et al . 2009 ) and high-emitting industries regardless @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ ) .

They also include the major multinational fossil energy companies at the base of the carbon supply chain , who to date have no responsibility from marketed products under existing policy regimes , but whose prospective responsibilities are receiving growing attention in scholarly , policy , institutional investment , legal , and public spheres ( Leone 2012 ; Lubber 2012 ; Frumhoff et al . 2015 ; van Renssen 2016 ) .

Attention to the responsibilities of fossil fuel producers is supported by recent research by Heede ( 2014 ) , who found that nearly two-thirds of all industrial carbon dioxide ( CO2 ) and methane ( CH4 ) emissions can be traced to the products of a small number of major industrial carbon producers ; 83 producers of coal , oil , natural gas , and 7 cement manufacturers . "

Ultimately , under existing policy regimes polluters have little or no responsibility.TO give an example from the UK , oil and gas industry stood to make billions in profit , while the British taxpayers are now asked to pick up the bills for oil @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ the profit kept on selling and reselling their businesses , policy makers/ legislators have failed to acknowledge the damage to environment and identify the risks caused by the need to clean up and decommission , the rightwing thinktanks funded by the industry have spoon-fed the mainstream media and the voters with deceitful claims and outright lies , the environment has been damaged . And it 's those who must sell their labour , skills and expertise who are now demanded by their chronically passive and corrupt politicians to pay the clean up bill , while those who extracted the money are evading to pay taxes , have not paid for clean up and stash their tens of trillions of $ in tax havens .

Britain is now G7 's biggest net importer of CO2 emissions per capita , according to the ONS , yet our politicians want to trade more with faraway countries

What most western countries have done in the last decades , was to outsource their carbon emissions to developing nations . In Australia though , people voted for more coal industry . With disastrous effects @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ the consequences , and above all I dread the loss of lives , habitat and the exodus of animals and humans .

Sadly ... it comes down to a combination of political apathy , willful ignorance regarding CC , selfishness and greed ... the government promised tax cuts , the RWNJ media figures and Murdoch media helped spread lies about Labor introducing death duties , owners of investment properties did n't want to stop getting government assistance to subsidize their mortgages and wealthy retirees , many of whom had not paid any tax anyway , did n't want to miss out of receiving franking credit dividends . So ... basic greed and selfishness .

It 's beyond dispute that indigenous Australians managed the land in a planned manner , and that fact does n't change if some species fell by the wayside in the process .

Also , those extinctions happened about 40,000 years ago . So even if humans were the cause , there have been thousands of generations of indigenous Australians since then that did n't cause mass extinctions .

About 30-35 years ago @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ travelled the world to study the state of coasts , reefs and oceans . They accumulated incredible data . At the time , they told us " the reef is suffering " . They put their case to governments and local authorities . Sadly they were told to go for a walk . Environment does n't pay you see , exploiting the land and the resources does . How sad !

It seems to be a terrible trend at the moment and I wonder if they 're all getting the same coach or adviser on how to be elected . The world needs better leaders with a good sense of what 's right for the people and country , who protects the environment ( environ = surroundings , environment = that which surrounds you ) . Enough of these vested interests .

The thought of these beautiful little creatures dying in such awful circumstances breaks my heart . I have n't read the article as I no longer possess a sufficiently strong constitution that would enable me to read the details presumably within it . Awful , just @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ thought we in California had it bad but this is way out of control , and it looks as it will last a while if Australia does n't get immediate serious international help . The air at the moment must be unbearable for all , and there will be plenty of heath issues for everyone - people and animals included .

Heartbreaking but no different to the images of emancipated polar bears clinging to the remnants of an ice flow or a orang-utan lashing out at the mechanical monster devouring it 's tree canopy habitat or fox bats dropping in their thousands from heat exhaustion .

The human is the most is the most selfish , cruel , greedy beast and nowhere near as intelligent as it supposes itself to be .

' ..... but kangaroos are vermin . ' Vermin ? I guess some might argue that kangaroos ruin fences , cause hazards on the roads , compete with their sheep and cattle for food and water . In other words their activities can be a nuisance to humans and their businesses . Therefore they 're @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ elimination.In the light of the catastrophic bush fires destroying everything in their path whether human habitations , animals , or people- maybe its time to reflect on the role of humans as the chief perpetrators of wholesale destruction in their capacity to carry on feeding the global warming and climate change that is driving these fires .

It 's a nightmare unfolding . The land where I was raised and fondly remember is devastated . Such an ancient land with a poignant grandeur , the eucalyptus fragrance palpable in the sizzling heat , the bird song , the diverse wildlife . Why oh why have the electorate willingly voted in criminals who have brazenly destroyed parts of the barrier reef to let in coal ships and the coal mines destroying the water base , gleefully saying that Oz is exporting the most coal in the world ? The Australians voted in a climate change denier who is also an evangelical far right religious nut . No one else voted him in , the Australians did ! Now those very people are in peril . Is this what it 's @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ , to stop and think about these vile leaders from Trump to Bolsenaro , who are in cahoots with Murdoch , Putin and so many others , and vote them OUT ! Wake up World . Let 's hope the one and only thing that 's positive about this Australian apocalypse is change could come . Let 's hope .

Yes , jellyfish populations have exploded . They can live in poor quality and oxygen poor oceans . And their increase is a direct result of their natural predators disappearing through overfishing . Also , jellyfish offer little to the oceans , they even eat fish eggs . So there 's yet another problem that is going to be very difficult to halt . Already , they have shutdown huge ships engines and shutdown nuclear reactors after huge amounts have been sucked into the engine systems . I do n't give a damn about that , but it shows how many there are , and it 's a bloody serious issue .

There 's no need to be quite so triumphant and self righteous . A lot of @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ the warnings of scientists , David Attenborough and Greta Thunberg is not anything like watching millions of animals and fauna being burned alive - as I 'm sure you realise . It 's next level horrifying . The one ' good ' thing to hopefully come out of this is that certain truths are unavoidable now and there will be difficult questions to answer for Australia in particular - and other CC denying governments . Although sadly , the big global players - Russia , China and India will continue to do what is best for their friends in big business . CC needs to be a priority for voters in future . Not an afterthought . It needs to be front and centre and first world countries need to lead on it . I do think we will see a change in Australia now and possibly the US *if* they elect a new president .

As expected players above 30 were axed , though the door is not officially closed for future selection . Woki and Jalibert are in the extended squad .

The omissions of Raka but also Iturria , Gabrillagues , Belleau , B ? zy are indeed surprising . The latter 2 are in great form , the issue is that Toulouse and Toulon would otherwise be out of senior players in those positions ( some Top14 fixtures overlap with the 6N ) . The former 3 seem to be judged less favorably . In Raka 's case it seems harsh but to be fair Thomas and Rattez are doing very well .

The France coaches ( including Edwards ) indicated that in the short run they would stick to the gameplans used during the World Cup . So it England 's analysts might not get overworked .

I do n't think that one is going to scan business-wise . By all accounts Carre , who bear in mind had never started a league game for Blues at that point , was pretty cheap . He 'd be close to the last player on the list that @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ basically got a young test level prop with all the potential in the world on entry level wages.As a Welsh fan I 'd like to see it and a lot of Cardiff fans got excited but as a move to ease the wage bill it makes no sense I 'm afraid .

I agree and I 'm not totally absolving refs either . They too often clamp down on something and then ease off after a few games . In one of the first round European games this year I think it was Luke Pierce ( definitely an English ref ) who started rushing the teams to form the lineout instead of farting around in a huddle . He gave a couple of free kicks to start and they two teams quickly adjusted and started playing them faster . It looked good but no other refs followed through with it and neither has he as far as I can see and it goes back to status quo .

My gripe is that its a haphazard lottery . Wales have the best 13 in Europe consistently for last 6 @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ would have to be exceptional . But historically at Tight Head post A.Jones , 12 or 11 , you could pick up caps quickly . Webb did n't get 60 caps as M.Phillips stood in his way . A significant injury could also skew the numbers .

Do you really have a problem with reading comprehension ? I have not at any time defended Saracens ' overpayments . The Op 's point , with which I agreed , was that clubs should be allowed special SC dispensation for developing England players . That would encourage clubs to develop their own and not rely so heavily on foreign imports . By all means disagree with that . But do n't attribute to me things which I have n't said . You are n't by any chance another version of Barrri Bunnn , are you ? Your level of vindictiveness and lack of comprehension are similar . Try reading icebear 's comment ; he actually understood the point that was being made .

Apparently not , according to the experts at WR , who categorised it as a shoulder charge @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ That 's fair ; allow me to clarify : I 'm talking about his techinque under pressure . Sure , the majority of his tackles are legal , but when it comes to a crunch tackle he 's determined to make a crunch regardless . I ca n't imagine you finding a similar number of offences , or ratio of offences per game or tackle , for Barrett or Russell or Ford or Sexton ( though Sexton did seem to like to go high ) . His reputation goes back before November 2018 , I think that 's just when it went viral . He was doing it in NZ in 2014 , and no doubt before then .

Look at Cipriani 's tackle against Munster that got him red carded in 2018 : it 's a shoulder charge , but a retreating shoulder charge , and Munster 12 is bent over somewhat . It 's nowhere near as bad as Farrell 's shoulder charge and the weekend , or against SA etc. , yet Cipriani got sent off and Farrell continues to get away with it . And @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ and dangerous and getting away with it . It 's not unreasonable .

Does he always tackle illegally ? Of course not . Does he tackle illegally enough and as blatantly to get noticed ? Absolutely . Add to that his ... polarising nature and the that he gets away with it , and of course people will focus on it . But that does n't mean they 're wrong . Do you think that the tackles people are referring to are ok ? As in : were you given the job - from the comfort of your home and with the wisdom of a sobering shot of whisky - of judging these tackles , would you judge them to be legal and safe ?

I suppose it does n't matter - you have your position , based on reasoning that you believe to be solid , and I have mine , based on reasoning I believe to be solid . Unless one of us provides some compelling evidence one way or t' other , I doubt either will change our position . Still , it 's been @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ enjoyed Archer 1999 !

Steff Hughes may well be worth it . He 's been seen as a bit of a decent club player , especially as he 's placed behind a Lions man of the series quality of player .

He 's obviously well respected at Scarlets , having played all but 20 minutes of the Scarlets 14 games this season .

People said that about Josh Navidi too though ( and yes I was guilty there ) .

He was behind Lydiate , Warbs and Faletau in the national side , which did n't help , and had the misfortune to go to Japan during the 2013 Lions . Almost every time he played for the Blues he looked the best player in the side and was consistently excellent in a generally poor side . I was n't that surprised when he immediately looked the part for Wales , though I was a bit worried about his lack of pace

It 's such a pivotal role nowadays I 'd rather someone solid and capable there than an experiment with a winger that leaves @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ on the wing as he 's on fire there at the moment .

It 's said that it 's the hardest position in defence , so might as well have someone who plays there every week . Moving Adams there , who had a great RWC but looked a bit suspect in defence , would be a ' Bergamasco at 9 ' level of mistake

Ben Thomas looks a great talent but not ready yet for me . He tends to follow a dazzling moment with a mistake . Which is fine as he 's barely been playing at that level for more than a month or two but would be exposed in international rugby . Needs to bed in with the Blues I think .

A clear cut shoulder charge has always been a penalty , yes , though there was questionable use of arm to wrap in this instance , which is what Gardner thought at the time .

What I take exception to is going from the specifics of one incident to you now talking in general terms about " his technique " @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ roughly 300 professional matches , made 1000s of tackles and very few have been on the wrong side of the law . He did n't even have a reputation for no arms shots pre November 2018 , despite being the best part of 7 years into his test career and the other controversial moment from that series did n't really bear much relation in terms of technique . People were watching him like a hawk for his tackles before and during the world cup but nothing happened , as it usually does n't . Now , the following January people have leapt on the slightest moment of controversy because of their confirmation bias , it confirms what they have already assumed .

Not that i 'm aware of , he played in the Racing/Clermont game I watched last week . Had an embarrassing moment whern T Thomas ripped the ball off him in full flight whitewash in sight .. TT had a very decent game it must be said ...

Beck is playing well for Worcester , but this silly inconsistent 60 Cap law will prevent him being @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ . Yes there are probably too many caveats for it be truly consistent ( although they do follow a logic ) but its end goal was to keep more players in Wales and bring some back and in that it seems to be working .

If that means missing out on Ashley Beck then I think it 's a price worth being paid .

According to the Rugby Paper the cash fine is more than twice that for any similar offence that was administered to any club in any sport . That 's before factoring in the probable damage to Sarries European ambitions for next season caused by the 35 point deduction . Neither do I feel any sympathy for those who wish to punish a club beyond the agreed rules . It reduces them to the same level as the original perpetrators.Sarries broke the rules and have paid for it . Effectively , Wray has lost his club . The club has had the quest for honours taken from them . That should be the end to it . The savagery of this judgement is way beyond @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ well be worth it . He 's been seen as a bit of a decent club player , especially as he 's placed behind a Lions man of the series quality of player . People said that about Josh Navidi too though ( and yes I was guilty there ) . It 's such a pivotal role nowadays I 'd rather someone solid and capable there than an experiment with a winger that leaves half a dozen doglegs in defence . Leave Adams especially on the wing as he 's on fire there at the moment .

The link I sent uses that tackle as example of a shoulder charge that should have resulted in a yellow card . Yes , it clarified the decision-making , but shoulder charges have been at least a penalty for years . Do you honestly not have a problem with his tackling technique , a technique which is used by WR to illustrate what tackles with a high degree of danger look like ? If not , fair enough , we 're each entitled to our opinion .

I probably have misremembered @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ or his swan diving , and even I thought it was harsh compared to some of the stuff that has gone unpunished before or after .

The link you sent does n't seem to make a reference to Farrell , though I believe , if memory serves , it was part of a clamp down they decided to put in place before the world cup . Those were n't the directives in place when the match took place in November 2018 , though he was used as an example of how matches should be reffed differently . It is unfair to hold that against him too much . He was on the lucky side with that decision , no doubt , though I have never said that Farrell has n't been lucky sometimes . My contention is that times that he has been lucky stick in the memory more because people otherwise do n't like him . Admittedly in this case it was at the very end of the match and would likely have changed the result , which also made it memorable , though instances of players being @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ attempt to wrap in a tackle are not uncommon .

I did n't know how to respond to your previous post and just left it . You had enough self deprecation in there that I was n't sure how to . I do n't think refs are perfect , though they get to the right decision more often than not and when a player is deemed to get away with too much that , to me , is much more likely to be a result of their profile than how they are actually treated . McCaw is another example of someone that the BTL community have made a deal out of getting away with too much , though truth be told I 've never been that convinced by it with him either . He was a very high profile , highly skilled player . Sure , he got away with some stuff , though I do n't know if it was as disproportionate as people make out , we can agree to disagree .

Got to say though , you seem to have really misremembered Ashton 's 10 @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ it as a " brush to the face " , he rather forcefully pulls on Marshall 's head , he just did n't mean to get him in the eye , so people thought the ban was harsh , there is a video below :

Extremely young squad for France announced today . Will hope guys like Woki , Jalibert and a couple of others from the U20 WC winning squads from the last couple of years . Big first fixture for England in Paris !

Did n't Gats toy with North in midfield on occasion or maybe I imagine that ?

Unfortunately you did n't imagine it , North played 13 on a couple of occasions . I think he did ok once , but he played v Aus in the 2015 RWC pool game ( due to Wales losing Scxott Williams , Hallam Amos and Liam Williams v Eng ) and murdered a huge overlap by running a terrible line back to the defence while Aus were down to 13 players .

Whenever you try to spin for Sarries and toss out the latest @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ 3rd and 4th order effects .

Yet in the race to paint Sarries in a favorable light these are never considered because they do n't fit the narrative .

I was n't trying to spin for Sarries , they cheated , got caught and are now paying the price , end of .

My point was why would English clubs bother to develop quality English players if they ca n't actually hang on to them , where is the incentive ? I think a there needs to be a larger proportion of the wage bill which does n't count against the cap for English qualified players that the club has developed .

I 'm not sure why you also seem to think that this would have stopped the Vunipola brothers from playing for Saracens ? If that was their choice and the salary was available why would they not play there ?

How about develop 1 , get one free ? If you have 10 England internationals , past or current , this then allows you to employ 10 other English qualified uncapped players with @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ clubs fill their boots with English players !

Beck is playing well for Worcester , but this silly inconsistent 60 Cap law will prevent him being selected .

Tyler Morgan playing very well , Hughes reliable if not spectacular , 21 Yr Old Baldwin looks a fine player may need another year , Warren wont let anyone down , Lane , Mcnichol , Steff Evans could all do a job there .

Lane needs time at 13 , he is a natural for the position . He is quick for an OC , extremely difficult to stop and finds space well . He needs to find a coach who will guide him and time at a region to allow him development time . This is a major problem in Welsh Regions , young players given game time on Wings and become competent Square pegs as the Centre position requires more experience and stronger tackling frames . He can be a good winger but wo n't I feel hit the heights internationally , especially with the young talent coming through . He will also face competition shortly at @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ in the 13 position soon . Whilst he is still young , he needs a region that will develop him sooner rather than later .

Yeah North often drifts in to take up some of the carry load . All midfielders are struggling to break gain because the rush/drift is on to them too quickly ( often from an offside position ) . Attacks often end up miles behind the gain before the last receiver even gets his mits on the ball . WR should seriously consider setting the defensive line back 5/10 mtrs so as to give time for the carriers to at least get some speed up . As it stands an attack ends up with the awful one out truck it up into contact recycle rinse and repeat which means endless rucks policed poorly and are in reality an injury waiting to happen.That 's my take anyway ...

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Regardless of that , Horner is talking about current performance , not Hamilton 's first 5 years in F1 .

Horner has never worked with Lewis , he is simply guessing from the outside . He is also talking up his man so who knows .

Oh and on your other question , yes if the best driver in the world ever just drove minardi 's his entire career his final status would remain speculative . Its not always fair , . but until you handle the pressure at the very top for extended runs of competition for the actual titles noone truly knows if you have what it takes to do so . I mean I 'm pretty damned sure Max does , he has all the characteristics I would expect from a future multiple champion , but no he has not yet had that pressure and dealt with it .

At the moment he is in a position where if he drives exceptionally he looks a hero , if he drives ' okay ' that has no real downside . Even if he ****s up its just another race .

All of @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ now become an issue , I remember a time when Vettel and Schumacher records / stats were banded around as a sign of their superiority and then all of a sudden it comes to a certain someone and the usual suspects are out to denounce any mere mention of it and anyone who does is immediately called the dreaded fanboy

As someone said earlier in the thread which I think is befitting ( Hamilton ... grrr ... grrr )

You do n't need to state the obvious and preach to the choir about what we already know , that stats and records by them selves do not paint the real picture . Context and circumstances does paint a better picture but these get lost in translation or rather history after a period of time . Not all of it is lost though as drivers like Stirling Moss and Gilles V without a WDC as still revered in F1 history . They however stood the test of time and showcased their talent over a period of time .

Max is good no doubt and as he has shown @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ is too early to say , He needs to do this consistently and on a regular basis for him to be compared to Lewis . Now if Horner 's comments are to do with say the last 10/11 races Lewis has won 8 of those 11 races and staked his claim , yes some might say its the car but you will only find a handful of racers that won 8 out of 10 consecutive races .

So on recent form he is there , over a career , he is also there . The same can be said of Max who has ironed out a lot of his errors and handily beaten his team mate in the last 12 months as well , but if you ask as of today to pick a driver out of the 2 for a championship campaign for your team starting today , I will definitely pick Lewis as he has stood the test of time , is driving well and has the talent , With Max yes he is good but the errors have not been totally ironed out , Austria could @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ well , his penalty in Monaco is not too far away .

However if you were to ask to pick a driver for the next 5-6 years campaign , then definitely Max may have the edge as he can only get better and the thought of that is frightening .

So if Horner 's comments is referring to the last 12 months , I still think Lewis edges it , over a career period , then Lewis 's stats speak for themselves , but for who is better overall , then Max has to bide his time , be consistent and in a few years we can start comparing . It is too early for that right now .

For those referring to stats as meaningless , they should be weary as drivers like Senna , Schumacher and Vettel are also affected by these stats

Except nobody is saying stats do n't matter anymore . They 're just not applicable to this debate .

What Horner said about Max which has apparently had everyone reaching for the smelling salts is this :

" As @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ . " As the driver in the form of his life , arguably over the past 12 months , he 's been the best driver in the world .

So in that context Hamilton 's career poles , wins and titles mean nothing .

The best driver would n't spend the whole of his career in a Minardi . I never see the rationale for that argument.The cream does usually rise to the top team in F1 .

The stat that says it all to me is Lewis being the only driver to have won at least one race every season he has driven . That includes at least one Mclaren dog . Several others were n't all that , and his first Mercedes was n't great either .

your comments are more applicable to a debate on who is the G.O.A.T . rather than the actual topic here

That will never happen . No team could find the money to employ both of them . It 's totally pointless people continually coming up with this nonsense . Ditto Alonso .

If Mercedes made @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ that they had to spend extra on their CFD set-up and therefore ca n't pay his replacement more than , say , ? 1 million ... I 'm pretty sure Mr. Wolff gets about ... 17 phone-calls from just current F1 drivers . Before lunchtime .

Unless these guys are utter idiots and wasted all their money , they 're already set for life . They 'd jump on that chance without a second thought .

His post was about Max ( or Alonso ) taking that Merc seat for the kind of money you mention in your post . He would n't .

I think Alonso may well do in the scenario outlined above . I get the impression he would do anything to get the best car .

Having said that , I ca n't see any feasible scenario where Mercedes would be able to plead poverty or resource reallocation and be taken seriously . They already have the biggest budget in F1 so their various departments are n't short on funds . I very much doubt finances would ever be a reason for @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ comments , the Mercedes driver played down the comparisons but did pay credit to the Dutch driver following his charge through the field to take victory at the Austrian Grand Prix last time out .

" I do n't compare myself to anybody . I do n't need to . I do n't really have a response to his Horner 's claims , " Hamilton said . " Ultimately every now and then someone needs certain attention .

" I think Max has been doing a great job and it is really exciting to watch . I think the last race was fantastic . It will be really interesting to see how they go moving forward . "

Bit of a stupid question to ask him tbh . What 's he supposed to say when someone asks him why another TP thinks they might have the best driver ? I do n't think his dig was necessary but I do despair at how some hacks always try to stir up controversy out of nothing

Lewis competing at the sharp end of the grid race in race @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ since 2010 ) and maintains an incredible level of performance every single weekend , every single session . Max races in a bubble of his own , one which he is n't ever going to threaten the top two teams and is n't going to be threatened by anybody from behind ( not even his teammate who rarely finishes within three places of Max ) and maintains a good level of performance . But yes , Max is the one setting the world alight

Fair point . I still think my point stands though , he is largely racing without pressure at every single race . From either inside his team or outside .

I do n't think that 's true at all . He 's 3rd in the WDC , in a car which really should n't be challenging the Ferraris , in a team that is not known for having any great degree of patience with failure or even mediocrity , and carrying the flag for Honda after their abysmal recent history . You think there 's no pressure there ?

I do n't see @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ in easily the best car and does n't have to overdrive it to get results . He has the full support of his team and a team mate he knows he can comfortably beat . He 's experienced at winning both races and titles and probably knows that nothing bar an accident will likely derail his 6th title bid . What exactly does he have to feel any pressure about ? He 's probably got the lowest pulse rate of anybody on the grid .

I agree that Hamilton maintains an exceptionally high level of performance for the most part . But that does n't mean that it 's impossible for another driver to have done better these last twelve months . And that 's all that Horner has been saying .

Lewis competing at the sharp end of the grid race in race out since 2014 ( in a title fight every season since 2010 ) and maintains an incredible level of performance every single weekend , every single session . Max races in a bubble of his own , one which he is n't ever going @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ to be threatened by anybody from behind ( not even his teammate who rarely finishes within three places of Max ) and maintains a good level of performance . But yes , Max is the one setting the world alight

Point 1 : he wasnt in championship contention every year from 2010 . In 2011 and 2013 he wasnt . And has maintaind an incredible level every weekend every session ? Come on now .. brazil qualifying in 2017 or baku 2016 , Austria 2017 or Russia 2017 alone where not stellar performances from him wich is normal as Nobody is perfect every weekend .

Actually Lewis said Average to Above Average . So yes . At this point , yes .

As for Paddy Lowe 's quote do you honestly think Lewis is driving worse now ? If so :

Did you actually read Hamilton 's own words ?

Let 's first start with what Paddy Lowe said according to you :

" When we get the car back from Lewis we know that everything that the car can deliver has been extracted @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ "

Now , let 's see what Hamilton said about his first 6 races of 2019 :

" I feel like I 've got the best I could get from the results . I 've arrived prepared , the best prepared I could be . But in terms of extracting the true performance from the car , I feel like I 've struggled a little bit in these six races . "

Then let 's look at the past 12 months , alone . Oh wait , 8 wins last season and 6 wins this season . I wo n't even add poles and fastest laps .

It surely can not be that hard to understand that a driver winning a race does not necessarily mean he was the best driver in the race when talking about a non-spec series ? He may have been , but it 's not an automatic given . Is this really such a difficult concept to grasp ?

Do you feel that Hamilton would have had the same number of wins driving any other car over the same period @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ talent . They are not synonyms .

Those words He said he arrived prepared , very prepared . He 's struggled with the car , not himself . See the difference . And why are you limiting this to 6 races and not the first 9 ? Horner stated this after the first 9 races were completed . As soon as a person starts parsing the data to make a point they 've kinda lost . You play chess . I play Go .

It surely can not be that hard to understand that a driver winning a race does not necessarily mean he was the best driver in the race when talking about a non-spec series ? He may have been , but it 's not an automatic given . Is this really such a difficult concept to grasp ?

Do you feel that Hamilton would have had the same number of wins driving any other car over the same period ? If not , then you are conflating success with talent . They are not synonyms .

You guys are killing me !

@ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ reach conclusions .

Are you saying Hamilton is n't talented ?

Horner said the last 12 months ... I pull the data from the last 12 months and you and other members add emotion as well as wherefores ' and whatnots ' . Each of these along with 3 bucks will get you a cup of coffee or tea at your local Starbucks .

When all the narratives and other BS are over , the record and the data stand .

Cheers-mk

Next BS Line : When HAM breaks the remaining MSC records everyone will be howling about the dominant car forgetting that to this point in time , 2 other people have sat int he same car and not achieved the same result . #InB4MoreBS ! !

It surely can not be that hard to understand that a driver winning a race does not necessarily mean he was the best driver in the race when talking about a non-spec series ? He may have been , but it 's not an automatic given . Is this really such a difficult concept to grasp @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ the same number of wins driving any other car over the same period ? If not , then you are conflating success with talent . They are not synonyms .

Would Max have the same results driving a Williams over the same period ? Maybe George Russell is " arguably " better than Max . It 's all relative .

Did n't want to bite because I believe this is a futile argument regarding a comment any TP would make . The only constant is that the rest of the grid ( Max included ) is being measured against Lewis and not the other way around . Max has considerable talent , but he 's not the only highly talented non-WDC capable of being the next " benchmark . "

Horner said the last 12 months ... I pull the data from the last 12 months and you and other members add emotion as well as wherefores ' and whatnots ' . Each of these along with 3 bucks will get you a cup of coffee or tea at your local Starbucks .

When all the @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ the data stand .

Cheers-mk

Next BS Line : When HAM breaks the remaining MSC records everyone will be howling about the dominant car forgetting that to this point in time , 2 other people have sat int he same car and not achieved the same result . #InB4MoreBS ! !

I do n't mean to be rude but the above makes no sense . Where did I even hint that Hamilton is n't talented ? I 'm lost with the Starbucks comment .

The problem seems to me to be that you are fixated on data but that 's not really relevant to what Horner said , which is the whole premise of this thread . He was asked by a journalist if he thought his driver was the best in F1 and he replied yes . He even explained why and referenced not being in the best car which would explain the discrepancy between " best driver " and the points standings . But you just quote some statistics on race wins ? How is that at all relevant to what Horner said ? @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ over the same period ? Maybe George Russell is " arguably " better than Max . It 's all relative .

Did n't want to bite because I believe this is a futile argument regarding a comment any TP would make . The only constant is that the rest of the grid ( Max included ) is being measured against Lewis and not the other way around . Max has considerable talent , but he 's not the only highly talented non-WDC capable of being the next " benchmark . "

Of course it 's relative . No-one is pretending otherwise . And of course Lewis is the benchmark by virtue of his success and standing in the sport . These things are hardly a revelation .

Regarding the results , the point being made by Horner is the manner in which the results were achieved is as important as the end results themselves . So yes , Max could have achieved the same standard of driving in a Williams without achieving the same points finishes . But unfortunately it gets progressively harder and harder to rate @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ But as an example I felt that Alonso was contender for the best driver in F1 last year . And he was n't far off driving a Williams , that 's for sure . The fact he got points at all was a minor miracle . And I say this not to try to head off on a tangent but to illustrate that a driver can produce special performances without even getting near a podium , let alone a win .

Those words He said he arrived prepared , very prepared . He 's struggled with the car , not himself . See the difference . And why are you limiting this to 6 races and not the first 9 ? Horner stated this after the first 9 races were completed . As soon as a person starts parsing the data to make a point they 've kinda lost . You play chess . I play Go .

Nobody is parsing data . They referenced a quote by Hamilton himself on those six races , which is relevant to the whole season because if he 's not been @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ the claim for best driver over the whole season , would n't it ?

Nobody is parsing data . They referenced a quote by Hamilton himself on those six races , which is relevant to the whole season because if he 's not been driving well for an extended period then that would weaken the claim for best driver over the whole season , would n't it ?

Of course it 's relative . No-one is pretending otherwise . And of course Lewis is the benchmark by virtue of his success and standing in the sport . These things are hardly a revelation .

Regarding the results , the point being made by Horner is the manner in which the results were achieved is as important as the end results themselves . So yes , Max could have achieved the same standard of driving in a Williams without achieving the same points finishes . But unfortunately it gets progressively harder and harder to rate a driver the further down the field he is . But as an example I felt that Alonso was contender for the best @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ far off driving a Williams , that 's for sure . The fact he got points at all was a minor miracle . And I say this not to try to head off on a tangent but to illustrate that a driver can produce special performances without even getting near a podium , let alone a win .

Agreed , a driver can also produce special performances while getting on the podium , winning races and championships . The point I 'm trying to make is that it 's a subjective argument that can be made for drivers up and down the grid . There is a reason why Christian Horner included the word " arguably " in his statement . Anyone can respectfully disagree or agree ... and then move on .

Nobody is parsing data . They referenced a quote by Hamilton himself on those six races , which is relevant to the whole season because if he 's not been driving well for an extended period then that would weaken the claim for best driver over the whole season , would n't it ?

@ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ definition of excellence but Lewis himself .

Agreed , a driver can also produce special performances while getting on the podium , winning races and championships . The point I 'm trying to make is that it 's a subjective argument that can be made for drivers up and down the grid . There is a reason why Christian Horner included the word " arguably " in his statement . Anyone can respectfully disagree or agree ... and then move on .

I agree . And I do n't disagree with anyone who says they feel Hamilton is the best driver on the grid . What I do disagree with is when people call alternative claims " laughable " or otherwise try to use wholly irrelevant stats and data to somehow try to prove a counterpoint . You can make a case for Russel for all I care , based on how he 's whipping his team mate . Just do n't try to make out that praising one driver is somehow an insult to another one . No single driver 's position should be made out to @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ is under any unique pressure . He 's in easily the best car and does n't have to overdrive it to get results . He has the full support of his team and a team mate he knows he can comfortably beat . He 's experienced at winning both races and titles and probably knows that nothing bar an accident will likely derail his 6th title bid . What exactly does he have to feel any pressure about ? He 's probably got the lowest pulse rate of anybody on the grid .

Lower than the Williams drivers who will finish P19/P20 regardless of how they perform ? No way . In terms of pure driving there is not maybe as much pressure , but the pressure of driving the fastest car is a different type of pressure , because you only have to lose basically . If Hamilton makes a mistake , he ca n't blame it on the car since it 's the quickest .

I remember the battles between Schumacher and Villeneuve and then Schumacher and Hakkinen . Without even going into their heads , @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ to win , since they had the Newey car , which would make it look like a huge failure if they failed to win . Schumacher meanwhile was in a much slower car , so he never needed to defend his performances .

You can also ask Fisichella and Webber and they will probably agree that the pressure driving a championship contender car is higher than driving around in the midfield with Saubers and Williamses .

I remember the battles between Schumacher and Villeneuve and then Schumacher and Hakkinen . Without even going into their heads , I can tell the pressure was on Hakkinen and Villeneuve to win , since they had the Newey car , which would make it look like a huge failure if they failed to win . Schumacher meanwhile was in a much slower car , so he never needed to defend his performances .

I think ' much slower car ' is a bit over the top . That 's what is propagated by modern F1 fans and , sure , early stages Ferrari was behind those teams . But the @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ Ferrari became very competitive .

Other than that - you make a great point that 's usually lost on alot of modern fans . The pressure to have a championship contending car , see off your teammate and other external rivals to win - many a driver have failed .

Lower than the Williams drivers who will finish P19/P20 regardless of how they perform ? No way . In terms of pure driving there is not maybe as much pressure , but the pressure of driving the fastest car is a different type of pressure , because you only have to lose basically . If Hamilton makes a mistake , he ca n't blame it on the car since it 's the quickest .

I remember the battles between Schumacher and Villeneuve and then Schumacher and Hakkinen . Without even going into their heads , I can tell the pressure was on Hakkinen and Villeneuve to win , since they had the Newey car , which would make it look like a huge failure if they failed to win . Schumacher meanwhile was in a much slower @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ .

You can also ask Fisichella and Webber and they will probably agree that the pressure driving a championship contender car is higher than driving around in the midfield with Saubers and Williamses .

the greater the experience the lesser the pressure . It becomes more routine , expected even . I think the pressure angle is heavily overestimated .

Max said that his Mexico win was the easiest race he ever had . When you 're in front you can go at your own pace and given how hard it is to overtake generally you do n't have that many high pressure moments , particularly if the guys behind you do n't have a car advantage .

Ca n't believe there are 12 pages on this . Max has been mostly racing in no mans land with no pressure plus one great last race . I do n't think he 'd be quite so perfect in a title fight against Hamilton who has been there and done it many times . Boils down to a bit of marketing by Horner .

I 'm a @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ that Max is the most talented driver on the grid currently . I think he could potentially beat either Hamilton or Vettel in the same car IF he can handle the pressure that comes with the title battle .

youre a lewis supporter , but ive never seen you in any of the merc or bottas vs lewis threads .

But I was told on this thread that Max never had " off " weekends ... surely he must be immune to set-up problems ?

He never has . When he 's well ahead of his teammate , it 's because he 's getting the most out of the car . When he 's close to his teammate , it means the teammate has improved , but Max has gotten the most out of the car . When he 's behind his teammate , there have been some mysterious car problems that no one can quite put his finger on , but Max has gotten the most out of the car , anyway .

So you can always conclude before the weekend starts that Max will @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ 'll always be right . It 's incredible .

He never has . When he 's well ahead of his teammate , it 's because he 's getting the most out of the car . When he 's close to his teammate , it means the teammate has improved , but Max has gotten the most out of the car . When he 's behind his teammate , there have been some mysterious car problems that no one can quite put his finger on , but Max has gotten the most out of the car , anyway .

So you can always conclude before the weekend starts that Max will get the most out of his car , and you 'll always be right . It 's incredible .

I know its meaningless but FP3 illustrated it well . If Gasly is his usual 7 tenths behind it looks like Max overperformed by splitting the Mercs . Considering the low rate of errors both Max and Lewis have it seems foolish to me to conclude under these circumstances that he is maximizing his car performance definitely more @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @

Bottas had a very good race today , on pace with Lewis . I do n't know which race did you watch .

But he admitted in his post race interview that he had wear and his tyres dropped off at the end , hence the decision to turn down the engine . Considering he pitted after Lewis , had relatively clean air throughout the race , and did n't have to run in the dirty air of Sebastian for very long or even over take him , still a very disappointing performance .

Bottas race pace was quite good . He could n't match Lewis , especially near the end of the stints but Lewis tyre management is much better . I 'm convinced that Valtteri has to set the car up for low fuel if he wants to compete with Lewis for qualifying , but then it affects him badly in race pace . Alternatively , and I think it was the case this weekend , he set his car for a good balance between quali and race and his quali suffered and while he was n't as quick as Lewis in the race @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ going to have his moments in every season when he beats Lewis over a weekend , but to do it over a season is another thing . When Lewis starts to figure out the car , he steps up another gear . But he 's definitely beatable any given weekend and this one could have gone the other way had Q1 not been red flagged and possibly Merc could n't have got his car out in time .

Lewis already won WDC question is where he takes it . Tbh the sooner the better . Season has been one of the most boring and pales in comparison to seasons like 2014 , 2016 and 2018 . Maybe the even calender years are the better ones ? Hoping Ferrari get their act together next year with Leclerc making the season a lot more interesting . Will be great to see Lewis , Max and Leclerc battle for the title . I have a feel its going to be good year .

Bottas needs to take points away from Lewis irregaedless of championship chance , also to stake a claim @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ bits for a glory run from Lead like Australia . So no , anyone thinking this was a good result and he was with Lewis is mad . He lacks Charles and Max killer spirit never just sitting back .

Unless he sign a pure no2 role . Charles clipped Seb wings time and time again . Bottas is now not even 1.0 he s like 0.5

65 point lead with only 8 races to go , crazy . Can afford to finish P2 in every race from hereon and still win by 9 points . What he ca n't afford is too many DNFs so expecting him to play it smart . Such as not crashing in P3 ! There are 5 drivers that can win the remaining races , which makes it more difficult for Bottas , his closest competitor , to have anything more than a gambler 's chance at the championship .

edit : I really can see why Lewis wants more cars competing with Merc . It actually makes it easier for him . It 's more difficult when the Merc is @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ challenger with most races being decided by who gets to turn 1 first . But with more competitors , everyone is stealing points from each other so the most consistent driver has the advantage . 65 points lead !

Bottas needs to take points away from Lewis irregaedless of championship chance , also to stake a claim he can pass him ... not sitting back saving his bits for a glory run from Lead like Australia . So no , anyone thinking this was a good result and he was with Lewis is mad . He lacks Charles and Max killer spirit never just sitting back .

Unless he sign a pure no2 role . Charles clipped Seb wings time and time again . Bottas is now not even 1.0 he s like 0.5

He knows this year 's done , no point denying that . Better just focus on next year .

65 point lead with only 8 races to go , crazy . Can afford to finish P2 in every race from hereon and still win by 9 points . What he ca n't @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ it smart . Such as not crashing in P3 ! There are 5 drivers that can win the remaining races , which makes it more difficult for Bottas , his closest competitor , to have anything more than a gambler 's chance at the championship .

Will be interesting to see how many races Mercedes is going to win , because I can see Ferrari winning in Monza and Max in Singapore .

Btw anyone notice that Lewis had his usual cockup out of La Source at the start ? He HAD Seb given his mistake but then I think he had a rubbish exit so could n't capitalise in the run up the hill and Bottas was on his tail .

Btw anyone notice that Lewis had his usual cockup out of La Source at the start ? He HAD Seb given his mistake but then I think he had a rubbish exit so could n't capitalise in the run up the hill and Bottas was on his tail .

I thought this as well at first , but it was n't a cock up @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ , so his exit was compromised .

Quite sad to see many people come here just to mock Bottas . Shameful stuff .

Yes , he was no match to Hamilton but he managed well and drove to podium .

I have n't really seen any real mockery of Bottas tbh . You do n't even see Maverick posting that he 's been tonked . I think people are just responding to the hype partially built by himself at the start of the season of a Bottas 2.0 . Any mockery is probably more directed at that notion than at Bottas himself . For all the hype , this has probably been his worst season at Mercedes so it 's no surprise people are pointing this out in the drivers thread . Ofc the sneering might also have a cathartic element because for one race at the very start of the season when Lewis had car damage , only outqualified him by a tenth ( at a track he usually puts a few tenths on his teammate ) , and said he was struggling with the tyres @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ to Lewis ' title aspirations , and we all had to endure coverage based solely on that .

Btw anyone notice that Lewis had his usual cockup out of La Source at the start ? He HAD Seb given his mistake but then I think he had a rubbish exit so could n't capitalise in the run up the hill and Bottas was on his tail .

Now that you point it out , I definitely notice that it 's been a trend throughout his career , almost like his China turn 15 ( ? ) line .

Lool Give over . He was his same old " after holiday break " phase . I personally do n't think he goes well at this track anyway . not sure what his williams results were . Probably Marklar would know but Lewis had the pace over him fullstop .

He still finished ahead of one Ferrari . Not forgetting the major ' concern ' in here from the most vocal anti-Bottas voices with regards Mercedes retaining him was that he 'd be all at sea and no @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ Btw anyone notice that Lewis had his usual cockup out of La Source at the start ? He HAD Seb given his mistake but then I think he had a rubbish exit so could n't capitalise in the run up the hill and Bottas was on his tail .

He could do nothing on lap 1 .

It was the restart that he messed up . Vettel locked up in front of him and Hamilton deliberately backed off to try and give himself a better slingshot . He should 've kept it pinned .

Just looking through the lap-times again , Mercedes were perhaps better served letting Vettel kill his tyres and fall back to Lewis , rather than chase him down .

Hamilton exited the pits around 7s behind Leclerc , an almost identical gap after he had passed Vettel .

But in-between all of that Hamilton at one stage was only 4s behind Leclerc . If he had looked after his tyres and let Vettel come to him , maintaining the 6-7s gap , he may have cleared Vettel easier and had more @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ through the lap-times again , Mercedes were perhaps better served letting Vettel kill his tyres and fall back to Lewis , rather than chase him down .

Hamilton exited the pits around 7s behind Leclerc , an almost identical gap after he had passed Vettel .

But in-between all of that Hamilton at one stage was only 4s behind Leclerc . If he had looked after his tyres and let Vettel come to him , maintaining the 6-7s gap , he may have cleared Vettel easier and had more tyre life to go after Leclerc .

Easy to say in hindsight . You know you give a big advantage away on saturday when you are not competitive enough to have a car on the front row .

Ferrari could control the race and they did it very well with this as the result .

Bottas had a very good race today , on pace with Lewis . I do n't know which race did you watch .

Not really .

Hamilton spend nearly all race behind Vettel 's gearbox . Whenever he had @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ race ) he pulled quickly away from Bottas and that despite stressing his tyres from fighting with Vettel .

Ca n't say I really agree . Mercedes ( or Lewis ) generally has better wear than Ferrari due to more downforce , and this will give them an advantage just like we saw today . Parabolica , can be extremely difficult on the front right , particularly if you 're sliding more than your rivals due to a low drag concept . Last year we saw this with Kimi when he struggled with the tyres at the end of the stint , which allowed Lewis to pass him , despite Ferrari 's superior straightline speed .

Also Ferrari may use the softest tyres better , or rather Mercedes used them less well , but the C2 is still the medium tire and there 's every chance it could be used during the race . Merc has also demonstrated excellent pace on the softs .

I see many ways Ferrari could lose this , and I 'm also factoring in Hamilton . He 's a beast on this @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ driver ) where he makes up a lot of his time .

I just rechecked the forecast and rain is predicted on the Friday and Sunday in the Monza region . Unless you have a more specific local forecast I 'll keep my mind open to the possibility .

Forecasts are useless until mid-week anyway .

I do n't disagree re : wear , but remember that HAM fought the slowest of the two Ferrari , and RAI mismanaged his tyres earlier in the stint by pushing too hard . Also do n't think you can compare the wear through Parabolica to the punishment through Sector 2 at Spa .

Monza is effectively made of Spa 's Sectors 1 and 3 , and Ferrari had a definite advantage over Merc in today 's race there ( 2-4 tenths in S1 , 0-2 tenths in S3 ) . And that 's with Ferrari using a Spec 2 engine that has already done a handful of GP ! Imagine with a brand new engine !

Hamilton spend nearly all race behind Vettel 's gearbox . Whenever he @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ of race ) he pulled quickly away from Bottas and that despite stressing his tyres from fighting with Vettel .

Though it was better than usual , at least .

You do know they told Bottas to go easy on his tyres when he catching up to Lewis . Also lets be honest Bottas was racing to delta . Even if he caught Lewis I very much doubt he will atempt to pass Lewis . He turned down his engine and brought the points home . Save the PU while you can no point pushing for the sake of it . Look what happened the last time he pushed at Hockenheim But make no mistake it Bottas gets pole and is leading you will see him push to the max . Just wish he will get back to his early season pole form . Bottas pole = win .

He could do nothing on lap 1 . It was the restart that he messed up . Vettel locked up in front of him and Hamilton deliberately backed off to try and give himself a better slingshot . @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ n't think there was a chance of Lewis staying/getting ahead in either situation .

On Bottas winning another race this year - Sochi has got to be his best chance based on previous performance . But I think it will have to be a force of circumstance to make it happen this year . Hamilton losing time behind Verstappen or something .

On Bottas winning another race this year - Sochi has got to be his best chance based on previous performance . But I think it will have to be a force of circumstance to make it happen this year . Hamilton losing time behind Verstappen or something .

It depends on the other teams . Verstappen with that new engine will also be a force . Other teams are taking away wins at the moment .

The team deserve some credit for the strategy again . When it looked like Vettel had the better strategy , the team held their nerve .

The team has worked a long time with Hamilton . They know how to handle it by now , the recipe @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ calm him down , and meanwhile execute the strategies as they think best . They can count on Hamilton extracting close to the max from the car , which is all that matters . The radio is literally just noise .

Bottas has to try n not only Beat Hamilton which is a talll order but he has to beat Max , keep Albon at bay and also contend with Charles who 's IMO has been better then Bottas all year and then contend to Seb eventual good race ... thats why i said he s not going to win another race as he s 100% not been as good as Lewis Charles and Max , been on par with Seb and now has Albon prob going ti be on par with if not better then him in a race more or 2 time .

Bottas showed today exactly why he 's a big risk next season if the teams stay as close as they are now , he easily could be the slowest of those 6 ... if Renault or McLaren make a leap then only worse @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ 5 laps .. he needs to keep pressure on him not sit back ...

Bottas has to try n not only Beat Hamilton which is a talll order but he has to beat Max , keep Albon at bay and also contend with Charles who 's IMO has been better then Bottas all year and then contend to Seb eventual good race ... thats why i said he s bot going tobwin another race as he s 100% not been as goodbas Lewis Charles and Max , been on par with Seb and now has Albon prob going ti be on par with if not better theb him in a race more or 2 time .

Bottas showed today exactly why he 's a big risk bext season if the teams stay as close as they are niw , he easily could be the slowest of those 6 ... if Renault or McLaren make a leap the only worse for him . He never threatened Lewis outside of opening 5 laps .. he needs to keep pressure on him not sit back ...

He got a podium @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ 1 race at Red Bull , far too early to tell . Mercedes will be the best car at a few of these final races , if not more . All it takes is a Hamilton error or a great performance by Bottas and he 'll win . Personally I 'd be amazed if he did n't win in Russia this year .

It 's been great watching Hamilton duke it out with the next gen future stars the last couple of races . The way he hounded Max and Leclerc right to the end of both races has been a joy to watch . The next couple of seasons could be quite something . Vettel just seems a shadow of his former self and is offering very little fight .

I also think Bottas is done for this season , so Hamilton seems to be looking towards max and Leclerc to give him that motivation to keep pushing , as staying motivated with all the success he 's had must be getting harder and harder . If the last 2 races are anything to go by , @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ by Lewis especially and wasnt a million miles from sneaking a win .. but can he ever stop with the ' whats happening why did nt we stop earlier why am I behind ? ' crap and have some faith in his team ?

Good job by Lewis especially and wasnt a million miles from sneaking a win .. but can he ever stop with the ' whats happening why did nt we stop earlier why am I behind ? ' crap and have some faith in his team ?

He 's aiming for perfection from himself , but also from his team . That 's to his credit . It 's not as if Mercedes ' strategies had always been flawless .

Regardless of that , Horner is talking about current performance , not Hamilton 's first 5 years in F1 .

Horner has never worked with Lewis , he is simply guessing from the outside . He is also talking up his man so who knows .

Oh and on your other question , yes if the best driver in the world ever just drove minardi 's his entire career his final status would remain speculative . Its not always fair , . but until you handle the pressure at the very top for extended runs of competition for the actual titles noone truly knows if you have what it takes to do so . I mean I 'm pretty damned sure Max does , he has all the characteristics I would expect from a future multiple champion , but no he has not yet had that pressure and dealt with it .

At the moment he is in a position where if he drives exceptionally he looks a hero , if he drives ' okay ' that has no real downside . Even if he ****s up its just another race .

All of @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ now become an issue , I remember a time when Vettel and Schumacher records / stats were banded around as a sign of their superiority and then all of a sudden it comes to a certain someone and the usual suspects are out to denounce any mere mention of it and anyone who does is immediately called the dreaded fanboy

As someone said earlier in the thread which I think is befitting ( Hamilton ... grrr ... grrr )

You do n't need to state the obvious and preach to the choir about what we already know , that stats and records by them selves do not paint the real picture . Context and circumstances does paint a better picture but these get lost in translation or rather history after a period of time . Not all of it is lost though as drivers like Stirling Moss and Gilles V without a WDC as still revered in F1 history . They however stood the test of time and showcased their talent over a period of time .

Max is good no doubt and as he has shown @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ is too early to say , He needs to do this consistently and on a regular basis for him to be compared to Lewis . Now if Horner 's comments are to do with say the last 10/11 races Lewis has won 8 of those 11 races and staked his claim , yes some might say its the car but you will only find a handful of racers that won 8 out of 10 consecutive races .

So on recent form he is there , over a career , he is also there . The same can be said of Max who has ironed out a lot of his errors and handily beaten his team mate in the last 12 months as well , but if you ask as of today to pick a driver out of the 2 for a championship campaign for your team starting today , I will definitely pick Lewis as he has stood the test of time , is driving well and has the talent , With Max yes he is good but the errors have not been totally ironed out , Austria could @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ well , his penalty in Monaco is not too far away .

However if you were to ask to pick a driver for the next 5-6 years campaign , then definitely Max may have the edge as he can only get better and the thought of that is frightening .

So if Horner 's comments is referring to the last 12 months , I still think Lewis edges it , over a career period , then Lewis 's stats speak for themselves , but for who is better overall , then Max has to bide his time , be consistent and in a few years we can start comparing . It is too early for that right now .

For those referring to stats as meaningless , they should be weary as drivers like Senna , Schumacher and Vettel are also affected by these stats

Except nobody is saying stats do n't matter anymore . They 're just not applicable to this debate .

What Horner said about Max which has apparently had everyone reaching for the smelling salts is this :

" As @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ . " As the driver in the form of his life , arguably over the past 12 months , he 's been the best driver in the world .

So in that context Hamilton 's career poles , wins and titles mean nothing .

The best driver would n't spend the whole of his career in a Minardi . I never see the rationale for that argument.The cream does usually rise to the top team in F1 .

The stat that says it all to me is Lewis being the only driver to have won at least one race every season he has driven . That includes at least one Mclaren dog . Several others were n't all that , and his first Mercedes was n't great either .

your comments are more applicable to a debate on who is the G.O.A.T . rather than the actual topic here

That will never happen . No team could find the money to employ both of them . It 's totally pointless people continually coming up with this nonsense . Ditto Alonso .

If Mercedes made @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ that they had to spend extra on their CFD set-up and therefore ca n't pay his replacement more than , say , ? 1 million ... I 'm pretty sure Mr. Wolff gets about ... 17 phone-calls from just current F1 drivers . Before lunchtime .

Unless these guys are utter idiots and wasted all their money , they 're already set for life . They 'd jump on that chance without a second thought .

His post was about Max ( or Alonso ) taking that Merc seat for the kind of money you mention in your post . He would n't .

I think Alonso may well do in the scenario outlined above . I get the impression he would do anything to get the best car .

Having said that , I ca n't see any feasible scenario where Mercedes would be able to plead poverty or resource reallocation and be taken seriously . They already have the biggest budget in F1 so their various departments are n't short on funds . I very much doubt finances would ever be a reason for @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ comments , the Mercedes driver played down the comparisons but did pay credit to the Dutch driver following his charge through the field to take victory at the Austrian Grand Prix last time out .

" I do n't compare myself to anybody . I do n't need to . I do n't really have a response to his Horner 's claims , " Hamilton said . " Ultimately every now and then someone needs certain attention .

" I think Max has been doing a great job and it is really exciting to watch . I think the last race was fantastic . It will be really interesting to see how they go moving forward . "

Bit of a stupid question to ask him tbh . What 's he supposed to say when someone asks him why another TP thinks they might have the best driver ? I do n't think his dig was necessary but I do despair at how some hacks always try to stir up controversy out of nothing

Lewis competing at the sharp end of the grid race in race @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ since 2010 ) and maintains an incredible level of performance every single weekend , every single session . Max races in a bubble of his own , one which he is n't ever going to threaten the top two teams and is n't going to be threatened by anybody from behind ( not even his teammate who rarely finishes within three places of Max ) and maintains a good level of performance . But yes , Max is the one setting the world alight

Fair point . I still think my point stands though , he is largely racing without pressure at every single race . From either inside his team or outside .

I do n't think that 's true at all . He 's 3rd in the WDC , in a car which really should n't be challenging the Ferraris , in a team that is not known for having any great degree of patience with failure or even mediocrity , and carrying the flag for Honda after their abysmal recent history . You think there 's no pressure there ?

I do n't see @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ in easily the best car and does n't have to overdrive it to get results . He has the full support of his team and a team mate he knows he can comfortably beat . He 's experienced at winning both races and titles and probably knows that nothing bar an accident will likely derail his 6th title bid . What exactly does he have to feel any pressure about ? He 's probably got the lowest pulse rate of anybody on the grid .

I agree that Hamilton maintains an exceptionally high level of performance for the most part . But that does n't mean that it 's impossible for another driver to have done better these last twelve months . And that 's all that Horner has been saying .

Lewis competing at the sharp end of the grid race in race out since 2014 ( in a title fight every season since 2010 ) and maintains an incredible level of performance every single weekend , every single session . Max races in a bubble of his own , one which he is n't ever going @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ to be threatened by anybody from behind ( not even his teammate who rarely finishes within three places of Max ) and maintains a good level of performance . But yes , Max is the one setting the world alight

Point 1 : he wasnt in championship contention every year from 2010 . In 2011 and 2013 he wasnt . And has maintaind an incredible level every weekend every session ? Come on now .. brazil qualifying in 2017 or baku 2016 , Austria 2017 or Russia 2017 alone where not stellar performances from him wich is normal as Nobody is perfect every weekend .

Actually Lewis said Average to Above Average . So yes . At this point , yes .

As for Paddy Lowe 's quote do you honestly think Lewis is driving worse now ? If so :

Did you actually read Hamilton 's own words ?

Let 's first start with what Paddy Lowe said according to you :

" When we get the car back from Lewis we know that everything that the car can deliver has been extracted @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ "

Now , let 's see what Hamilton said about his first 6 races of 2019 :

" I feel like I 've got the best I could get from the results . I 've arrived prepared , the best prepared I could be . But in terms of extracting the true performance from the car , I feel like I 've struggled a little bit in these six races . "

Then let 's look at the past 12 months , alone . Oh wait , 8 wins last season and 6 wins this season . I wo n't even add poles and fastest laps .

It surely can not be that hard to understand that a driver winning a race does not necessarily mean he was the best driver in the race when talking about a non-spec series ? He may have been , but it 's not an automatic given . Is this really such a difficult concept to grasp ?

Do you feel that Hamilton would have had the same number of wins driving any other car over the same period @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ talent . They are not synonyms .

Those words He said he arrived prepared , very prepared . He 's struggled with the car , not himself . See the difference . And why are you limiting this to 6 races and not the first 9 ? Horner stated this after the first 9 races were completed . As soon as a person starts parsing the data to make a point they 've kinda lost . You play chess . I play Go .

It surely can not be that hard to understand that a driver winning a race does not necessarily mean he was the best driver in the race when talking about a non-spec series ? He may have been , but it 's not an automatic given . Is this really such a difficult concept to grasp ?

Do you feel that Hamilton would have had the same number of wins driving any other car over the same period ? If not , then you are conflating success with talent . They are not synonyms .

You guys are killing me !

@ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ reach conclusions .

Are you saying Hamilton is n't talented ?

Horner said the last 12 months ... I pull the data from the last 12 months and you and other members add emotion as well as wherefores ' and whatnots ' . Each of these along with 3 bucks will get you a cup of coffee or tea at your local Starbucks .

When all the narratives and other BS are over , the record and the data stand .

Cheers-mk

Next BS Line : When HAM breaks the remaining MSC records everyone will be howling about the dominant car forgetting that to this point in time , 2 other people have sat int he same car and not achieved the same result . #InB4MoreBS ! !

It surely can not be that hard to understand that a driver winning a race does not necessarily mean he was the best driver in the race when talking about a non-spec series ? He may have been , but it 's not an automatic given . Is this really such a difficult concept to grasp @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ the same number of wins driving any other car over the same period ? If not , then you are conflating success with talent . They are not synonyms .

Would Max have the same results driving a Williams over the same period ? Maybe George Russell is " arguably " better than Max . It 's all relative .

Did n't want to bite because I believe this is a futile argument regarding a comment any TP would make . The only constant is that the rest of the grid ( Max included ) is being measured against Lewis and not the other way around . Max has considerable talent , but he 's not the only highly talented non-WDC capable of being the next " benchmark . "

Horner said the last 12 months ... I pull the data from the last 12 months and you and other members add emotion as well as wherefores ' and whatnots ' . Each of these along with 3 bucks will get you a cup of coffee or tea at your local Starbucks .

When all the @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ the data stand .

Cheers-mk

Next BS Line : When HAM breaks the remaining MSC records everyone will be howling about the dominant car forgetting that to this point in time , 2 other people have sat int he same car and not achieved the same result . #InB4MoreBS ! !

I do n't mean to be rude but the above makes no sense . Where did I even hint that Hamilton is n't talented ? I 'm lost with the Starbucks comment .

The problem seems to me to be that you are fixated on data but that 's not really relevant to what Horner said , which is the whole premise of this thread . He was asked by a journalist if he thought his driver was the best in F1 and he replied yes . He even explained why and referenced not being in the best car which would explain the discrepancy between " best driver " and the points standings . But you just quote some statistics on race wins ? How is that at all relevant to what Horner said ? @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ over the same period ? Maybe George Russell is " arguably " better than Max . It 's all relative .

Did n't want to bite because I believe this is a futile argument regarding a comment any TP would make . The only constant is that the rest of the grid ( Max included ) is being measured against Lewis and not the other way around . Max has considerable talent , but he 's not the only highly talented non-WDC capable of being the next " benchmark . "

Of course it 's relative . No-one is pretending otherwise . And of course Lewis is the benchmark by virtue of his success and standing in the sport . These things are hardly a revelation .

Regarding the results , the point being made by Horner is the manner in which the results were achieved is as important as the end results themselves . So yes , Max could have achieved the same standard of driving in a Williams without achieving the same points finishes . But unfortunately it gets progressively harder and harder to rate @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ But as an example I felt that Alonso was contender for the best driver in F1 last year . And he was n't far off driving a Williams , that 's for sure . The fact he got points at all was a minor miracle . And I say this not to try to head off on a tangent but to illustrate that a driver can produce special performances without even getting near a podium , let alone a win .

Those words He said he arrived prepared , very prepared . He 's struggled with the car , not himself . See the difference . And why are you limiting this to 6 races and not the first 9 ? Horner stated this after the first 9 races were completed . As soon as a person starts parsing the data to make a point they 've kinda lost . You play chess . I play Go .

Nobody is parsing data . They referenced a quote by Hamilton himself on those six races , which is relevant to the whole season because if he 's not been @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ the claim for best driver over the whole season , would n't it ?

Nobody is parsing data . They referenced a quote by Hamilton himself on those six races , which is relevant to the whole season because if he 's not been driving well for an extended period then that would weaken the claim for best driver over the whole season , would n't it ?

Of course it 's relative . No-one is pretending otherwise . And of course Lewis is the benchmark by virtue of his success and standing in the sport . These things are hardly a revelation .

Regarding the results , the point being made by Horner is the manner in which the results were achieved is as important as the end results themselves . So yes , Max could have achieved the same standard of driving in a Williams without achieving the same points finishes . But unfortunately it gets progressively harder and harder to rate a driver the further down the field he is . But as an example I felt that Alonso was contender for the best @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ far off driving a Williams , that 's for sure . The fact he got points at all was a minor miracle . And I say this not to try to head off on a tangent but to illustrate that a driver can produce special performances without even getting near a podium , let alone a win .

Agreed , a driver can also produce special performances while getting on the podium , winning races and championships . The point I 'm trying to make is that it 's a subjective argument that can be made for drivers up and down the grid . There is a reason why Christian Horner included the word " arguably " in his statement . Anyone can respectfully disagree or agree ... and then move on .

Nobody is parsing data . They referenced a quote by Hamilton himself on those six races , which is relevant to the whole season because if he 's not been driving well for an extended period then that would weaken the claim for best driver over the whole season , would n't it ?

@ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ definition of excellence but Lewis himself .

Agreed , a driver can also produce special performances while getting on the podium , winning races and championships . The point I 'm trying to make is that it 's a subjective argument that can be made for drivers up and down the grid . There is a reason why Christian Horner included the word " arguably " in his statement . Anyone can respectfully disagree or agree ... and then move on .

I agree . And I do n't disagree with anyone who says they feel Hamilton is the best driver on the grid . What I do disagree with is when people call alternative claims " laughable " or otherwise try to use wholly irrelevant stats and data to somehow try to prove a counterpoint . You can make a case for Russel for all I care , based on how he 's whipping his team mate . Just do n't try to make out that praising one driver is somehow an insult to another one . No single driver 's position should be made out to @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ is under any unique pressure . He 's in easily the best car and does n't have to overdrive it to get results . He has the full support of his team and a team mate he knows he can comfortably beat . He 's experienced at winning both races and titles and probably knows that nothing bar an accident will likely derail his 6th title bid . What exactly does he have to feel any pressure about ? He 's probably got the lowest pulse rate of anybody on the grid .

Lower than the Williams drivers who will finish P19/P20 regardless of how they perform ? No way . In terms of pure driving there is not maybe as much pressure , but the pressure of driving the fastest car is a different type of pressure , because you only have to lose basically . If Hamilton makes a mistake , he ca n't blame it on the car since it 's the quickest .

I remember the battles between Schumacher and Villeneuve and then Schumacher and Hakkinen . Without even going into their heads , @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ to win , since they had the Newey car , which would make it look like a huge failure if they failed to win . Schumacher meanwhile was in a much slower car , so he never needed to defend his performances .

You can also ask Fisichella and Webber and they will probably agree that the pressure driving a championship contender car is higher than driving around in the midfield with Saubers and Williamses .

I remember the battles between Schumacher and Villeneuve and then Schumacher and Hakkinen . Without even going into their heads , I can tell the pressure was on Hakkinen and Villeneuve to win , since they had the Newey car , which would make it look like a huge failure if they failed to win . Schumacher meanwhile was in a much slower car , so he never needed to defend his performances .

I think ' much slower car ' is a bit over the top . That 's what is propagated by modern F1 fans and , sure , early stages Ferrari was behind those teams . But the @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ Ferrari became very competitive .

Other than that - you make a great point that 's usually lost on alot of modern fans . The pressure to have a championship contending car , see off your teammate and other external rivals to win - many a driver have failed .

Lower than the Williams drivers who will finish P19/P20 regardless of how they perform ? No way . In terms of pure driving there is not maybe as much pressure , but the pressure of driving the fastest car is a different type of pressure , because you only have to lose basically . If Hamilton makes a mistake , he ca n't blame it on the car since it 's the quickest .

I remember the battles between Schumacher and Villeneuve and then Schumacher and Hakkinen . Without even going into their heads , I can tell the pressure was on Hakkinen and Villeneuve to win , since they had the Newey car , which would make it look like a huge failure if they failed to win . Schumacher meanwhile was in a much slower @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ .

You can also ask Fisichella and Webber and they will probably agree that the pressure driving a championship contender car is higher than driving around in the midfield with Saubers and Williamses .

the greater the experience the lesser the pressure . It becomes more routine , expected even . I think the pressure angle is heavily overestimated .

Max said that his Mexico win was the easiest race he ever had . When you 're in front you can go at your own pace and given how hard it is to overtake generally you do n't have that many high pressure moments , particularly if the guys behind you do n't have a car advantage .

Ca n't believe there are 12 pages on this . Max has been mostly racing in no mans land with no pressure plus one great last race . I do n't think he 'd be quite so perfect in a title fight against Hamilton who has been there and done it many times . Boils down to a bit of marketing by Horner .

I 'm a @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ that Max is the most talented driver on the grid currently . I think he could potentially beat either Hamilton or Vettel in the same car IF he can handle the pressure that comes with the title battle .

youre a lewis supporter , but ive never seen you in any of the merc or bottas vs lewis threads .

But I was told on this thread that Max never had " off " weekends ... surely he must be immune to set-up problems ?

He never has . When he 's well ahead of his teammate , it 's because he 's getting the most out of the car . When he 's close to his teammate , it means the teammate has improved , but Max has gotten the most out of the car . When he 's behind his teammate , there have been some mysterious car problems that no one can quite put his finger on , but Max has gotten the most out of the car , anyway .

So you can always conclude before the weekend starts that Max will @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ 'll always be right . It 's incredible .

He never has . When he 's well ahead of his teammate , it 's because he 's getting the most out of the car . When he 's close to his teammate , it means the teammate has improved , but Max has gotten the most out of the car . When he 's behind his teammate , there have been some mysterious car problems that no one can quite put his finger on , but Max has gotten the most out of the car , anyway .

So you can always conclude before the weekend starts that Max will get the most out of his car , and you 'll always be right . It 's incredible .

I know its meaningless but FP3 illustrated it well . If Gasly is his usual 7 tenths behind it looks like Max overperformed by splitting the Mercs . Considering the low rate of errors both Max and Lewis have it seems foolish to me to conclude under these circumstances that he is maximizing his car performance definitely more @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @

Bottas had a very good race today , on pace with Lewis . I do n't know which race did you watch .

But he admitted in his post race interview that he had wear and his tyres dropped off at the end , hence the decision to turn down the engine . Considering he pitted after Lewis , had relatively clean air throughout the race , and did n't have to run in the dirty air of Sebastian for very long or even over take him , still a very disappointing performance .

Bottas race pace was quite good . He could n't match Lewis , especially near the end of the stints but Lewis tyre management is much better . I 'm convinced that Valtteri has to set the car up for low fuel if he wants to compete with Lewis for qualifying , but then it affects him badly in race pace . Alternatively , and I think it was the case this weekend , he set his car for a good balance between quali and race and his quali suffered and while he was n't as quick as Lewis in the race @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ going to have his moments in every season when he beats Lewis over a weekend , but to do it over a season is another thing . When Lewis starts to figure out the car , he steps up another gear . But he 's definitely beatable any given weekend and this one could have gone the other way had Q1 not been red flagged and possibly Merc could n't have got his car out in time .

Lewis already won WDC question is where he takes it . Tbh the sooner the better . Season has been one of the most boring and pales in comparison to seasons like 2014 , 2016 and 2018 . Maybe the even calender years are the better ones ? Hoping Ferrari get their act together next year with Leclerc making the season a lot more interesting . Will be great to see Lewis , Max and Leclerc battle for the title . I have a feel its going to be good year .

Bottas needs to take points away from Lewis irregaedless of championship chance , also to stake a claim @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ bits for a glory run from Lead like Australia . So no , anyone thinking this was a good result and he was with Lewis is mad . He lacks Charles and Max killer spirit never just sitting back .

Unless he sign a pure no2 role . Charles clipped Seb wings time and time again . Bottas is now not even 1.0 he s like 0.5

65 point lead with only 8 races to go , crazy . Can afford to finish P2 in every race from hereon and still win by 9 points . What he ca n't afford is too many DNFs so expecting him to play it smart . Such as not crashing in P3 ! There are 5 drivers that can win the remaining races , which makes it more difficult for Bottas , his closest competitor , to have anything more than a gambler 's chance at the championship .

edit : I really can see why Lewis wants more cars competing with Merc . It actually makes it easier for him . It 's more difficult when the Merc is @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ challenger with most races being decided by who gets to turn 1 first . But with more competitors , everyone is stealing points from each other so the most consistent driver has the advantage . 65 points lead !

Bottas needs to take points away from Lewis irregaedless of championship chance , also to stake a claim he can pass him ... not sitting back saving his bits for a glory run from Lead like Australia . So no , anyone thinking this was a good result and he was with Lewis is mad . He lacks Charles and Max killer spirit never just sitting back .

Unless he sign a pure no2 role . Charles clipped Seb wings time and time again . Bottas is now not even 1.0 he s like 0.5

He knows this year 's done , no point denying that . Better just focus on next year .

65 point lead with only 8 races to go , crazy . Can afford to finish P2 in every race from hereon and still win by 9 points . What he ca n't @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ it smart . Such as not crashing in P3 ! There are 5 drivers that can win the remaining races , which makes it more difficult for Bottas , his closest competitor , to have anything more than a gambler 's chance at the championship .

Will be interesting to see how many races Mercedes is going to win , because I can see Ferrari winning in Monza and Max in Singapore .

Btw anyone notice that Lewis had his usual cockup out of La Source at the start ? He HAD Seb given his mistake but then I think he had a rubbish exit so could n't capitalise in the run up the hill and Bottas was on his tail .

Btw anyone notice that Lewis had his usual cockup out of La Source at the start ? He HAD Seb given his mistake but then I think he had a rubbish exit so could n't capitalise in the run up the hill and Bottas was on his tail .

I thought this as well at first , but it was n't a cock up @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ , so his exit was compromised .

Quite sad to see many people come here just to mock Bottas . Shameful stuff .

Yes , he was no match to Hamilton but he managed well and drove to podium .

I have n't really seen any real mockery of Bottas tbh . You do n't even see Maverick posting that he 's been tonked . I think people are just responding to the hype partially built by himself at the start of the season of a Bottas 2.0 . Any mockery is probably more directed at that notion than at Bottas himself . For all the hype , this has probably been his worst season at Mercedes so it 's no surprise people are pointing this out in the drivers thread . Ofc the sneering might also have a cathartic element because for one race at the very start of the season when Lewis had car damage , only outqualified him by a tenth ( at a track he usually puts a few tenths on his teammate ) , and said he was struggling with the tyres @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ to Lewis ' title aspirations , and we all had to endure coverage based solely on that .

Btw anyone notice that Lewis had his usual cockup out of La Source at the start ? He HAD Seb given his mistake but then I think he had a rubbish exit so could n't capitalise in the run up the hill and Bottas was on his tail .

Now that you point it out , I definitely notice that it 's been a trend throughout his career , almost like his China turn 15 ( ? ) line .

Lool Give over . He was his same old " after holiday break " phase . I personally do n't think he goes well at this track anyway . not sure what his williams results were . Probably Marklar would know but Lewis had the pace over him fullstop .

He still finished ahead of one Ferrari . Not forgetting the major ' concern ' in here from the most vocal anti-Bottas voices with regards Mercedes retaining him was that he 'd be all at sea and no @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ Btw anyone notice that Lewis had his usual cockup out of La Source at the start ? He HAD Seb given his mistake but then I think he had a rubbish exit so could n't capitalise in the run up the hill and Bottas was on his tail .

He could do nothing on lap 1 .

It was the restart that he messed up . Vettel locked up in front of him and Hamilton deliberately backed off to try and give himself a better slingshot . He should 've kept it pinned .

Just looking through the lap-times again , Mercedes were perhaps better served letting Vettel kill his tyres and fall back to Lewis , rather than chase him down .

Hamilton exited the pits around 7s behind Leclerc , an almost identical gap after he had passed Vettel .

But in-between all of that Hamilton at one stage was only 4s behind Leclerc . If he had looked after his tyres and let Vettel come to him , maintaining the 6-7s gap , he may have cleared Vettel easier and had more @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ through the lap-times again , Mercedes were perhaps better served letting Vettel kill his tyres and fall back to Lewis , rather than chase him down .

Hamilton exited the pits around 7s behind Leclerc , an almost identical gap after he had passed Vettel .

But in-between all of that Hamilton at one stage was only 4s behind Leclerc . If he had looked after his tyres and let Vettel come to him , maintaining the 6-7s gap , he may have cleared Vettel easier and had more tyre life to go after Leclerc .

Easy to say in hindsight . You know you give a big advantage away on saturday when you are not competitive enough to have a car on the front row .

Ferrari could control the race and they did it very well with this as the result .

Bottas had a very good race today , on pace with Lewis . I do n't know which race did you watch .

Not really .

Hamilton spend nearly all race behind Vettel 's gearbox . Whenever he had @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ race ) he pulled quickly away from Bottas and that despite stressing his tyres from fighting with Vettel .

Ca n't say I really agree . Mercedes ( or Lewis ) generally has better wear than Ferrari due to more downforce , and this will give them an advantage just like we saw today . Parabolica , can be extremely difficult on the front right , particularly if you 're sliding more than your rivals due to a low drag concept . Last year we saw this with Kimi when he struggled with the tyres at the end of the stint , which allowed Lewis to pass him , despite Ferrari 's superior straightline speed .

Also Ferrari may use the softest tyres better , or rather Mercedes used them less well , but the C2 is still the medium tire and there 's every chance it could be used during the race . Merc has also demonstrated excellent pace on the softs .

I see many ways Ferrari could lose this , and I 'm also factoring in Hamilton . He 's a beast on this @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ driver ) where he makes up a lot of his time .

I just rechecked the forecast and rain is predicted on the Friday and Sunday in the Monza region . Unless you have a more specific local forecast I 'll keep my mind open to the possibility .

Forecasts are useless until mid-week anyway .

I do n't disagree re : wear , but remember that HAM fought the slowest of the two Ferrari , and RAI mismanaged his tyres earlier in the stint by pushing too hard . Also do n't think you can compare the wear through Parabolica to the punishment through Sector 2 at Spa .

Monza is effectively made of Spa 's Sectors 1 and 3 , and Ferrari had a definite advantage over Merc in today 's race there ( 2-4 tenths in S1 , 0-2 tenths in S3 ) . And that 's with Ferrari using a Spec 2 engine that has already done a handful of GP ! Imagine with a brand new engine !

Hamilton spend nearly all race behind Vettel 's gearbox . Whenever he @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ of race ) he pulled quickly away from Bottas and that despite stressing his tyres from fighting with Vettel .

Though it was better than usual , at least .

You do know they told Bottas to go easy on his tyres when he catching up to Lewis . Also lets be honest Bottas was racing to delta . Even if he caught Lewis I very much doubt he will atempt to pass Lewis . He turned down his engine and brought the points home . Save the PU while you can no point pushing for the sake of it . Look what happened the last time he pushed at Hockenheim But make no mistake it Bottas gets pole and is leading you will see him push to the max . Just wish he will get back to his early season pole form . Bottas pole = win .

He could do nothing on lap 1 . It was the restart that he messed up . Vettel locked up in front of him and Hamilton deliberately backed off to try and give himself a better slingshot . @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ n't think there was a chance of Lewis staying/getting ahead in either situation .

On Bottas winning another race this year - Sochi has got to be his best chance based on previous performance . But I think it will have to be a force of circumstance to make it happen this year . Hamilton losing time behind Verstappen or something .

On Bottas winning another race this year - Sochi has got to be his best chance based on previous performance . But I think it will have to be a force of circumstance to make it happen this year . Hamilton losing time behind Verstappen or something .

It depends on the other teams . Verstappen with that new engine will also be a force . Other teams are taking away wins at the moment .

The team deserve some credit for the strategy again . When it looked like Vettel had the better strategy , the team held their nerve .

The team has worked a long time with Hamilton . They know how to handle it by now , the recipe @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ calm him down , and meanwhile execute the strategies as they think best . They can count on Hamilton extracting close to the max from the car , which is all that matters . The radio is literally just noise .

Bottas has to try n not only Beat Hamilton which is a talll order but he has to beat Max , keep Albon at bay and also contend with Charles who 's IMO has been better then Bottas all year and then contend to Seb eventual good race ... thats why i said he s not going to win another race as he s 100% not been as good as Lewis Charles and Max , been on par with Seb and now has Albon prob going ti be on par with if not better then him in a race more or 2 time .

Bottas showed today exactly why he 's a big risk next season if the teams stay as close as they are now , he easily could be the slowest of those 6 ... if Renault or McLaren make a leap then only worse @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ 5 laps .. he needs to keep pressure on him not sit back ...

Bottas has to try n not only Beat Hamilton which is a talll order but he has to beat Max , keep Albon at bay and also contend with Charles who 's IMO has been better then Bottas all year and then contend to Seb eventual good race ... thats why i said he s bot going tobwin another race as he s 100% not been as goodbas Lewis Charles and Max , been on par with Seb and now has Albon prob going ti be on par with if not better theb him in a race more or 2 time .

Bottas showed today exactly why he 's a big risk bext season if the teams stay as close as they are niw , he easily could be the slowest of those 6 ... if Renault or McLaren make a leap the only worse for him . He never threatened Lewis outside of opening 5 laps .. he needs to keep pressure on him not sit back ...

He got a podium @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ 1 race at Red Bull , far too early to tell . Mercedes will be the best car at a few of these final races , if not more . All it takes is a Hamilton error or a great performance by Bottas and he 'll win . Personally I 'd be amazed if he did n't win in Russia this year .

It 's been great watching Hamilton duke it out with the next gen future stars the last couple of races . The way he hounded Max and Leclerc right to the end of both races has been a joy to watch . The next couple of seasons could be quite something . Vettel just seems a shadow of his former self and is offering very little fight .

I also think Bottas is done for this season , so Hamilton seems to be looking towards max and Leclerc to give him that motivation to keep pushing , as staying motivated with all the success he 's had must be getting harder and harder . If the last 2 races are anything to go by , @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ by Lewis especially and wasnt a million miles from sneaking a win .. but can he ever stop with the ' whats happening why did nt we stop earlier why am I behind ? ' crap and have some faith in his team ?

Good job by Lewis especially and wasnt a million miles from sneaking a win .. but can he ever stop with the ' whats happening why did nt we stop earlier why am I behind ? ' crap and have some faith in his team ?

He 's aiming for perfection from himself , but also from his team . That 's to his credit . It 's not as if Mercedes ' strategies had always been flawless .

The UK laws around limited liability companies mean you can indeed run two separate companies , and the mere fact of having the same directors does not mean the companies have any legal connection . Hence being able to do what you describe . ( I realise you 'll know this , pdac , but not everyone reading might ) .

The only way I know of which could be used to address this is to prosecute the directors as " negligent directors " which is a criminal offence . You 'd have to prove criminal negligence to the detriment of one of the companies . For example , if someone bought expensive machinery , then deliberately ran the company into the ground , so that his second company could buy the assets for a pittance from the first , he could be prosecuted as a negligent director . As far as I know , it 's a rarely-used law .

Perhaps it should be used more ! This whole RE saga is likely to leave a lot of people who can ill afford it out of pocket . We can all say that the distributors @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ 'd make a quick buck etc , but when the owners of the comapny can swan off into the sunset with the entire bank roll and product ( I know for RE that 's very little ) perfectly legally you have to start to question ' how is this ok ? what can be done to stop this behaviour ? ' and that 's a bigger question than this thread . Will Storey and RE are far from unique and there is a small chance that in this case he has done something illegal , I 'm not clued up enough on the minutia of company law to see if any laws have been broken , except perhaps comtempt of court , but that not directly related to the dubious means of ditching debts and keeping a company going named as something else .

Is this exclusivity mentioned by Kualitas a new deal ? The sales through Amazon UK are all Kualitas and in stock . ' Bankruptcy ' stock they 've bought from BDG ( who are selling off the assets ) , or selling it as an @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ Northern Marketing have been selling on Amazon under the banner of Kualitas for more than a year .

Come on now , do n't be playing the vegan purest card . RB is what it is because it taste damn good , it is a mix of a fine soda flavor like Guarana that we have here in Brazil plus the stimulants , and goes down well on the taste buds for the majority of people , is no wonder all the bars , bakeries , small markets carry this stuff is because most people can notice the difference and like it , just like Coke zero is the absolute king of zero calories sodas , it taste damn good for a diet drink .

RB is the Apple of energy drinks , charging twice the price , why they are able to do that ? Because RB is so cool and has man jumping from the ozone layer ? part of it yes , but mostly is because people enjoy the thing and it goes well for partying mixing with other drinks also . Now , I @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ but I am an amateur athlete who trains , competes in tournaments and work out everyday , And every now and then when I need a pick up a may drink a RB or Monster Kahos which I am enjoying more now .... is just like a spicier cup of coffee . Do n't get all purist now .

Good for you , but as others have pointed out , you 're clearly projecting your view as fact . Nobody can argue with you with the fact that Red Bull is the King of Energy Drinks in terms of sales , but your reasons for this " it tastes damn good " is highly speculative and certainly without evidence .

My opinion is that Red Bull does n't have a particularly outstanding " taste satisfaction " score amongst its consumers and the real reasons for its domination are based around recognition , image and implied benefit , driven by a massive market dominating media spend . I 've spend my entire career in the media industry and it has long ceased to surprise me that everyone thinks they @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ interesting that as an athlete you advocate RB when its well known that all the sponsored athletes of RB are regularly seen drinking out of RB branded drinking bottles ... with definitely no Red Bull in them . I would explain why but I fear it might touch some sensitivities .

My opinion is that Red Bull does n't have a particularly outstanding " taste satisfaction " score amongst its consumers and the real reasons for its domination are based around recognition , image and implied benefit , driven by a massive market dominating media spend . I 've spend my entire career in the media industry and it has long ceased to surprise me that everyone thinks they are immune to marketing ! ! !

Call me weird , but I drink RB for the taste , and the taste alone . Been drinking it from before the F1 team ( or Sauber sponsorship ) came to be . And this is particularly annoying , because I can not stand their F1 operation .

Additionally , not only do I love it 's taste , but @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ Good for you , but as others have pointed out , you 're clearly projecting your view as fact . Nobody can argue with you with the fact that Red Bull is the King of Energy Drinks in terms of sales , but your reasons for this " it tastes damn good " is highly speculative and certainly without evidence .

My opinion is that Red Bull does n't have a particularly outstanding " taste satisfaction " score amongst its consumers and the real reasons for its domination are based around recognition , image and implied benefit , driven by a massive market dominating media spend . I 've spend my entire career in the media industry and it has long ceased to surprise me that everyone thinks they are immune to marketing ! ! !

It 's interesting that as an athlete you advocate RB when its well known that all the sponsored athletes of RB are regularly seen drinking out of RB branded drinking bottles ... with definitely no Red Bull in them . I would explain why but I fear it might touch some sensitivities @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ for RB if that is what some of you are implying , I do not do marketing for RB either lol , I just speak honestly , I use energy drinks very seldom as I said when I need a pick me up stimulant in a lazy day and need to train or something . I specially think is very bad to mix energy drinks with Alcohol for the night life . I just like to give credit where credit is due , RB is a leader in this area , is one of the reasons why this huge multi billion dollars market of energy market exists , where over 25 years ago it did not . And it has to do with competency in key areas product quality , marketing , branding , etc. all of it combined .

I even mention that I do n't use it anymore , I have switched to Monster Khaos recently . I just do n't buy into conspiracy theories , That RB taste like crap to the majority of people actually ! that people are just masochist , they are tricked @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ shop around the world this evil product that you kill you because it is so manipulative . I am more of a fan of Occam 's razor logic , that its success its due to a variety of merits , taste reasonable good ( to most people that are into these drinks ) pioneer , solid marketing in this area , amazing brand positioning etc. and etc. hey call me biased if you like for not buying into conspiracy explanations of why they are hugely successful .

Dude , they are successful because they advertise constantly , they own sports teams , they sponsor sports teams , they own sports venues , they own concert venues , they run sports events , they sponsor an absolute ton of sports stars across the planet .

Their name and logo is almost inescapable now .

RB is a marketing company whose product happens to be a drink .

It 's no different to Google . Google 's core product happens to be a search engine .

I really do n't think anyone is calling them evil ( @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ some conspiracy ( it 's just a drink ) , but to think they are huge for any other reason than marketing is so wide of the mark .

RB 's only competitor is Monster , who as it happens are the only other energy drink that market to near RB levels . All the others , Hype , Burn etc etc do not market anywhere even 1% like the two main players and it is no coincidence they sell far far less .

To bring this back around to being an RE discussion , William Storey therefore should at least be given credit for trying to market his drink on a clearly limited budget , and then try to make sales when he got that recognition .

Any Brits reading this will be aware of the constant advertising of the People 's Postcode Lottery . They are a small player in the lottery market in comparison to the National Lottery , but are currently paying out a fortune to advertise constantly . The National Lottery necessarily has a lower marketing budget ( it is a Non-Departmental @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ . People 's Postcode know this and are currently buying their way into first place . It wo n't happen because they have a superior offer , they do n't , the prizes are abysmal in comparison . They will become number one through marketing .

You could stop it before the word " whose " . Red Bull 's product is the Red Bull brand . Unless things have changed recently , Red Bull do nothing but market . Someone else makes the syrup , someone else carbonates it , someone else cans it , someone else distributes it . All Red Bull does is to promise a vast marketing campaign to the companies that basically get a Red Bull licence to get the stuff into the shops .

It 's not far off what Coca-Cola was for a long time , but Coke at least made the syrup . But pre-WW2 the people making the most money out of Coke were three bottling companies in the southern US . Coke eventually got control of the bottling/canning because of that .

You guys are so pretentious @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ purely out of marketing only , not because maybe I just happen to enjoy the damn thing also . Thanks masters , for letting me know exactly how my mind operates !

You guys are so pretentious ! yeah , I grab a RB sometimes to drink purely out of marketing only , not because maybe I just happen to enjoy the damn thing also . Thanks masters , for letting me know exactly how my mind operates !

To bring this back around to being an RE discussion , William Storey therefore should at least be given credit for trying to market his drink on a clearly limited budget , and then try to make sales when he got that recognition .

Billy Boy used the RE money to enjoy the high life . A life he 'd not get near with his background of constant failure . Look at the Instagram account . It 's photographs of Billy Boy with Bernie , Haas , F1 drivers past & present , hanging at Monaco , flying in a helicopter , pretty women .. Despite looking like @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ class for free .

Compare that with Tenzing energy drink . I 'd never heard of until I saw a few adverts on the Tube in London . Not many , but enough to be noticed because the name means something . I 've recently discovered Tesco stock it . Their advertising is the usual guff about health with a nonsense connection with Sherpas . It would appear to be a successful campaign that sells the product and I doubt if it has cost a huge amount of money .

RE may be a headline product on this forum , but it 's vapourware to the majority of the population . Some of the comments I 'm reading here would embarrass a 6 year old . RE is the embodiment of the Emperors clothes , in a tin .

Dude , they are successful because they advertise constantly , they own sports teams , they sponsor sports teams , they own sports venues , they own concert venues , they run sports events , they sponsor an absolute ton of sports stars across the planet .

@ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ RB is a marketing company whose product happens to be a drink .

It 's no different to Google . Google 's core product happens to be a search engine .

I really do n't think anyone is calling them evil ( it 's just a drink ) or that there is some conspiracy ( it 's just a drink ) , but to think they are huge for any other reason than marketing is so wide of the mark .

RB 's only competitor is Monster , who as it happens are the only other energy drink that market to near RB levels . All the others , Hype , Burn etc etc do not market anywhere even 1% like the two main players and it is no coincidence they sell far far less .

To bring this back around to being an RE discussion , William Storey therefore should at least be given credit for trying to market his drink on a clearly limited budget , and then try to make sales when he got that recognition .

Any Brits reading this will @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ Postcode Lottery . They are a small player in the lottery market in comparison to the National Lottery , but are currently paying out a fortune to advertise constantly . The National Lottery necessarily has a lower marketing budget ( it is a Non-Departmental Public Body and thus has strictly controlled public finances ) . People 's Postcode know this and are currently buying their way into first place . It wo n't happen because they have a superior offer , they do n't , the prizes are abysmal in comparison . They will become number one through marketing .

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Very pretentious again , is so simple looking from the outside , why do n't you try to take anything and market the crap out of it and just focus on marketing to see if it works ? There is more to it than this , by being big , they can invest a lot in research and product development , for example , monster have several lines of successful energy drinks , they do market research sampling , tasting it , to come up with the @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ to come up with the best testing Diet Coke , zero Calorie . They researched the hell out of it before launching it , fine tuning it , etc .

You guys make it sound so easy , everybody likes to hear easy explanations , Sure RB is just a marketing company that happens to sell an energy drink , so why not sell cars , planes , computers , mobile phones , if it is all about marketing and they are kings at marketing , all they have to do is campaign to the public that whatever it is that they are selling is great ! And Voila ... screw the taste , quality , delivery , etc . Just market whatever it is the hell out of it and it will be successful , no product research , no development , no expertise , no changing to customer demands , size , etc . Is just marketing !

Very pretentious again , is so simple looking from the outside , why do n't you try to take anything and market the crap out of it and @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ There is more to it than this , by being big , they can invest a lot in research and product development , for example , monster have several lines of successful energy drinks , they do market research sampling , tasting it , to come up with the right formula . Just like Coke for example was able to come up with the best testing Diet Coke , zero Calorie . They researched the hell out of it before launching it , fine tuning it , etc .

You guys make it sound so easy , everybody likes to hear easy explanations , Sure RB is just a marketing company that happens to sell an energy drink , so why not sell cars , planes , computers , mobile phones , if it is all about marketing and they are kings at marketing , all they have to do is campaign to the public that whatever it is that they are selling is great ! And Voila ... screw the taste , quality , delivery , etc . Just market whatever it is the hell out of it @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ no development , no expertise , no changing to customer demands , size , etc . Is just marketing !

It is just marketing . It is n't even particularly clever , but salesmen can fool weak minded people very easily .

You guys are so pretentious ! yeah , I grab a RB sometimes to drink purely out of marketing only , not because maybe I just happen to enjoy the damn thing also . Thanks masters , for letting me know exactly how my mind operates !

It 's not that you 're not allowed to like Red Bull , or even that their product is n't good . It 's that it 's the marketing that puts them ahead in terms of sales , and they rely on the product being good enough to back up the marketing . It 's not head and shoulders above all competition in terms of product quality . It can not be in such a saturated market . That 's the parallel to Coca-Cola . The drink itself only needs to be good enough to keep people coming @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ marketing behind it that makes the difference . Hell , Coca-Cola even tastes different in different markets because different plants use different sugar sources .

To try to swing this back on topic , there were ideas in the early days of this thread that Rich Energy was simply a rebranded variant of Red Bull . ( Though that 's been subsequently shown to be false . )

Dude , they are successful because they advertise constantly , they own sports teams , they sponsor sports teams , they own sports venues , they own concert venues , they run sports events , they sponsor an absolute ton of sports stars across the planet .

Their name and logo is almost inescapable now .

RB is a marketing company whose product happens to be a drink .

It 's no different to Google . Google 's core product happens to be a search engine .

I really do n't think anyone is calling them evil ( it 's just a drink ) or that there is some conspiracy ( it 's just a drink @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ other reason than marketing is so wide of the mark .

RB 's only competitor is Monster , who as it happens are the only other energy drink that market to near RB levels . All the others , Hype , Burn etc etc do not market anywhere even 1% like the two main players and it is no coincidence they sell far far less .

To bring this back around to being an RE discussion , William Storey therefore should at least be given credit for trying to market his drink on a clearly limited budget , and then try to make sales when he got that recognition .

Any Brits reading this will be aware of the constant advertising of the People 's Postcode Lottery . They are a small player in the lottery market in comparison to the National Lottery , but are currently paying out a fortune to advertise constantly . The National Lottery necessarily has a lower marketing budget ( it is a Non-Departmental Public Body and thus has strictly controlled public finances ) . People 's Postcode know this and are @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ n't happen because they have a superior offer , they do n't , the prizes are abysmal in comparison . They will become number one through marketing .

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I'ver had the ' someones knocking at your door ' song in my head now . I hate you .

Very pretentious again , is so simple looking from the outside , why do n't you try to take anything and market the crap out of it and just focus on marketing to see if it works ? There is more to it than this , by being big , they can invest a lot in research and product development , for example , monster have several lines of successful energy drinks , they do market research sampling , tasting it , to come up with the right formula . Just like Coke for example was able to come up with the best testing Diet Coke , zero Calorie . They researched the hell out of it before launching it , fine tuning it , etc .

You guys make it sound so easy , everybody likes @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ marketing company that happens to sell an energy drink , so why not sell cars , planes , computers , mobile phones , if it is all about marketing and they are kings at marketing , all they have to do is campaign to the public that whatever it is that they are selling is great ! And Voila ... screw the taste , quality , delivery , etc . Just market whatever it is the hell out of it and it will be successful , no product research , no development , no expertise , no changing to customer demands , size , etc . Is just marketing !

2 things here :

1 : I 'm really not sure if you are serious ? You really need to go and do some research about how products become big when they are n't the ' best ' . Have you ever heard of BetaMax ? No ? Go and Google it . And while you are at it , why is it Googling and not DuckDuckGoing ?

2 : I do n't think you understand the @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ work ' at the thing it claims to be so there is something more than just marketing , but for totally subjective products like food and drink there really is little more than a good advert . Red Bull makes something that can be drunk without making you want to vomit , therefore it is a drink , so it passes the ' does what it says on the tin ' test . But there is minimal skill in producing a drink , and how popular that drink is has NO impact on how it does in blind taste tests . There are so , so , so many research papers done on this exact topic . More people pick a cheap supermarket cola over Pepsi , and more pick Pepsi over Coca Cola , yet Coca Cola remains the number 1 coke brand in the world . People ask for a coke , meaning a cola , people Google rather than search , people hoover rather than vaccum , people sellotape rather than using sticky back plastic ... the list goes on and on .

Well , I @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ j ? ger-bombs . Now , when we get to that we are pissed out of our minds already .

So they could put any type of energy drink in the glass along with the precious J ? germeister . But they do n't . They use Red Bull . Because marketing .

Yep . A bit like the coke example above . You ask for a coke and they 'll give you coca cola not pepsi . You ask for an energy drink without specifying and they 'll give you a Red Bull . You ask for a jagerbomb and it 'll have a Red Bull and will likely kill you . Minor exagerration only . To try to compete against such ingrained product bias takes some serious effort and I guess Rich Energy gets a bit of credit fo rmanaging to run such an awesome ad campaign that it definitely raised brand awareness to a whole new level .

It 's a shame all the fun seems to have ended . While it 's been good to discuss how naive people are when it comes @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ ( and why my daughter only watches BBC cartoons or ones via an ad free app ) , I 'm struggling to find much more Rich Energy discussion ... come on ! Something more needs to happen on this saga . If this is it and no more news comes out I 'll be gutted . It 'll be like a powercut with just 10 mins left of a murder mystery !

1 : I 'm really not sure if you are serious ? You really need to go and do some research about how products become big when they are n't the ' best ' . Have you ever heard of BetaMax ? No ? Go and Google it . And while you are at it , why is it Googling and not DuckDuckGoing ?

2 : I do n't think you understand the word pretentious

Of course a product needs to ' work ' at the thing it claims to be so there is something more than just marketing , but for totally subjective products like food and drink there really is little more than @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ be drunk without making you want to vomit , therefore it is a drink , so it passes the ' does what it says on the tin ' test . But there is minimal skill in producing a drink , and how popular that drink is has NO impact on how it does in blind taste tests . There are so , so , so many research papers done on this exact topic . More people pick a cheap supermarket cola over Pepsi , and more pick Pepsi over Coca Cola , yet Coca Cola remains the number 1 coke brand in the world . People ask for a coke , meaning a cola , people Google rather than search , people hoover rather than vaccum , people sellotape rather than using sticky back plastic ... the list goes on and on .

And NO-ONE says , I 'd like a Rich Energy please , in any context .

I agree in basis on all , but , from my memorie , Google hardly did advertising/sponsoring at start and still compared revenue is doing far less then other @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ Yep . A bit like the coke example above . You ask for a coke and they 'll give you coca cola not pepsi . You ask for an energy drink without specifying and they 'll give you a Red Bull . You ask for a jagerbomb and it 'll have a Red Bull and will likely kill you . Minor exagerration only . To try to compete against such ingrained product bias takes some serious effort and I guess Rich Energy gets a bit of credit fo rmanaging to run such an awesome ad campaign that it definitely raised brand awareness to a whole new level .

It 's a shame all the fun seems to have ended . While it 's been good to discuss how naive people are when it comes to marketing and how it really does twist your mind ( and why my daughter only watches BBC cartoons or ones via an ad free app ) , I 'm struggling to find much more Rich Energy discussion ... come on ! Something more needs to happen on this saga . If this is it @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ . It 'll be like a powercut with just 10 mins left of a murder mystery !

Was n't August 1st the absolute deadline for RE and Whyte to sort everything out ? That was yesterday . There must be some more news .

I agree in basis on all , but , from my memorie , Google hardly did advertising/sponsoring at start and still compared revenue is doing far less then other companies with same revenue if i remember correct .

Google built and marketed the brand . I was an Altavista user in the old days ( and sometimes Yahoo too ) . Google was n't first out the box , but they pushed themselves into first place by doing the same as the rest , but pushing their name too .

Oh , and one last word on marketing ...

Once Google was the clear brand leader , Microsoft decided they wanted a slice . They aggressively marketed Bing . Result - I do n't know anyone who uses Bing . Once a brand like Red Bull has been established as the @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ more than a foothold , no matter how much you spend on marketing . That 's the problem Rich Energy has/had .

Google built and marketed the brand . I was an Altavista user in the old days ( and sometimes Yahoo too ) . Google was n't first out the box , but they pushed themselves into first place by doing the same as the rest , but pushing their name too .

I ca n't remember big PR campaigns like for instance Nike or something like that . More their " in platform " PRis my feeling , but could be wrong . I think i started using it just because got better results . Still reason i use it , especial for images Google gives me far better and more results then the others .

I had brought option RE had to handle possible on small budget . Still i ca n't have respect for chosen PR strategy . They should have secured better budget then , better management team , and even if only small budget stay , i believe a proposed PR @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ https : //forums.autos ... ergy/ ? p=8649796

1 : I 'm really not sure if you are serious ? You really need to go and do some research about how products become big when they are n't the ' best ' . Have you ever heard of BetaMax ? No ? Go and Google it . And while you are at it , why is it Googling and not DuckDuckGoing ?

2 : I do n't think you understand the word pretentious

Of course a product needs to ' work ' at the thing it claims to be so there is something more than just marketing , but for totally subjective products like food and drink there really is little more than a good advert . Red Bull makes something that can be drunk without making you want to vomit , therefore it is a drink , so it passes the ' does what it says on the tin ' test . But there is minimal skill in producing a drink , and how popular that drink is has NO impact on how it does in blind @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ many research papers done on this exact topic . More people pick a cheap supermarket cola over Pepsi , and more pick Pepsi over Coca Cola , yet Coca Cola remains the number 1 coke brand in the world . People ask for a coke , meaning a cola , people Google rather than search , people hoover rather than vaccum , people sellotape rather than using sticky back plastic ... the list goes on and on .

And NO-ONE says , I 'd like a Rich Energy please , in any context .

Very pretentious again , pretentious to pretend to understand my and many others whole motivations and assume you are an expert as to why people buy certain products , to try to compartmentalize into a simpleton truth . Google become the leader because it delivers well what it promises well , fast , easy to use , deep search engine , I have used Yahoo , Bing , etc . And I settled on it , as did a lot of people because I am quite satisfied with it , sure , there is @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ the delivery too much , the product . Again , making it sounds like you can just take something that is very mediocre or not very bad , market the hell out of it and it will become great .

Since you guys like to bring it Google , Google , how about Internet Explorer ? Hardly any other technology product in history has been more marketed and more pushed into customers as Internet Explorer , Microsoft billion dollar machine has tried for decades to make the Browser to use , even facing anti trust law suites for trying to make it the only option to come with Windows , yet it has failed miserably , I am using chrome , for many years used Firefox. a company with hardly any marketing behind it . There are small differences in browsers and browsers version , they basically do more or less the same thing , but details in quality make the difference as do word of mouth .

I mean I get it , some of you hate RB , it has become cool because they push so @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ now actually cool to hate on the giant that makes so muc money basically selling a sugary drink , and people want to sound smart hey , why are people drinking this crap is just a sugary drink , do n't fall for the cool marketing , bla , bla look at me , I am so above it all . You think it taste good ? You nuts , it taste like crap ... ok ... I actually try to see merits on success rather than just fitting it into my judgmental projections , " oh man look at google , look at google " I own a business myself , I have no time for pretentious mindsets , I am into seeing what works and what does n't . But anyway since here we have so many Keyboards Warren Buffets and Jack Welch in here , who have the whole business world figured it out , and so much time on their hands to show all of their business acumen on a Forum , thanks for teaching me about it , carry on .

Very pretentious again @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ whole motivations and assume you are an expert as to why people buy certain products , to try to compartmentalize into a simpleton truth . Google become the leader because it delivers well what it promises well , fast , easy to use , deep search engine , I have used Yahoo , Bing , etc . And I settled on it , as did a lot of people because I am quite satisfied with it , sure , there is a huge marketing behind it , but you guys underplay the delivery too much , the product . Again , making it sounds like you can just take something that is very mediocre or not very bad , market the hell out of it and it will become great .

Since you guys like to bring it Google , Google , how about Internet Explorer ? Hardly any other technology product in history has been more marketed and more pushed into customers as Internet Explorer , Microsoft billion dollar machine has tried for decades to make the Browser to use , even facing anti trust law suites for @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ Windows , yet it has failed miserably , I am using chrome , for many years used Firefox. a company with hardly any marketing behind it . There are small differences in browsers and browsers version , they basically do more or less the same thing , but details in quality make the difference as do word of mouth .

I mean I get it , some of you hate RB , it has become cool because they push so much on this idea of being cool , so is now actually cool to hate on the giant that makes so muc money basically selling a sugary drink , and people want to sound smart hey , why are people drinking this crap is just a sugary drink , do n't fall for the cool marketing , bla , bla look at me , I am so above it all . You think it taste good ? You nuts , it taste like crap ... ok ... I actually try to see merits on success rather than just fitting it into my judgmental projections , " oh man look @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ business myself , I have no time for pretentious mindsets , I am into seeing what works and what does n't . But anyway since here we have so many Keyboards Warren Buffets and Jack Welch in here , who have the whole business world figured it out , and so much time on their hands to show all of their business acumen on a Forum , thanks for teaching me about it , carry on .

Love how you keep throwing " pretentious " around when your posts are the most pretentious of all

The UK laws around limited liability companies mean you can indeed run two separate companies , and the mere fact of having the same directors does not mean the companies have any legal connection . Hence being able to do what you describe . ( I realise you 'll know this , pdac , but not everyone reading might ) .

The only way I know of which could be used to address this is to prosecute the directors as " negligent directors " which is a criminal offence . You 'd have to prove criminal negligence to the detriment of one of the companies . For example , if someone bought expensive machinery , then deliberately ran the company into the ground , so that his second company could buy the assets for a pittance from the first , he could be prosecuted as a negligent director . As far as I know , it 's a rarely-used law .

Perhaps it should be used more ! This whole RE saga is likely to leave a lot of people who can ill afford it out of pocket . We can all say that the distributors @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ 'd make a quick buck etc , but when the owners of the comapny can swan off into the sunset with the entire bank roll and product ( I know for RE that 's very little ) perfectly legally you have to start to question ' how is this ok ? what can be done to stop this behaviour ? ' and that 's a bigger question than this thread . Will Storey and RE are far from unique and there is a small chance that in this case he has done something illegal , I 'm not clued up enough on the minutia of company law to see if any laws have been broken , except perhaps comtempt of court , but that not directly related to the dubious means of ditching debts and keeping a company going named as something else .

Is this exclusivity mentioned by Kualitas a new deal ? The sales through Amazon UK are all Kualitas and in stock . ' Bankruptcy ' stock they 've bought from BDG ( who are selling off the assets ) , or selling it as an @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ Northern Marketing have been selling on Amazon under the banner of Kualitas for more than a year .

Come on now , do n't be playing the vegan purest card . RB is what it is because it taste damn good , it is a mix of a fine soda flavor like Guarana that we have here in Brazil plus the stimulants , and goes down well on the taste buds for the majority of people , is no wonder all the bars , bakeries , small markets carry this stuff is because most people can notice the difference and like it , just like Coke zero is the absolute king of zero calories sodas , it taste damn good for a diet drink .

RB is the Apple of energy drinks , charging twice the price , why they are able to do that ? Because RB is so cool and has man jumping from the ozone layer ? part of it yes , but mostly is because people enjoy the thing and it goes well for partying mixing with other drinks also . Now , I @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ but I am an amateur athlete who trains , competes in tournaments and work out everyday , And every now and then when I need a pick up a may drink a RB or Monster Kahos which I am enjoying more now .... is just like a spicier cup of coffee . Do n't get all purist now .

Good for you , but as others have pointed out , you 're clearly projecting your view as fact . Nobody can argue with you with the fact that Red Bull is the King of Energy Drinks in terms of sales , but your reasons for this " it tastes damn good " is highly speculative and certainly without evidence .

My opinion is that Red Bull does n't have a particularly outstanding " taste satisfaction " score amongst its consumers and the real reasons for its domination are based around recognition , image and implied benefit , driven by a massive market dominating media spend . I 've spend my entire career in the media industry and it has long ceased to surprise me that everyone thinks they @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ interesting that as an athlete you advocate RB when its well known that all the sponsored athletes of RB are regularly seen drinking out of RB branded drinking bottles ... with definitely no Red Bull in them . I would explain why but I fear it might touch some sensitivities .

My opinion is that Red Bull does n't have a particularly outstanding " taste satisfaction " score amongst its consumers and the real reasons for its domination are based around recognition , image and implied benefit , driven by a massive market dominating media spend . I 've spend my entire career in the media industry and it has long ceased to surprise me that everyone thinks they are immune to marketing ! ! !

Call me weird , but I drink RB for the taste , and the taste alone . Been drinking it from before the F1 team ( or Sauber sponsorship ) came to be . And this is particularly annoying , because I can not stand their F1 operation .

Additionally , not only do I love it 's taste , but @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ Good for you , but as others have pointed out , you 're clearly projecting your view as fact . Nobody can argue with you with the fact that Red Bull is the King of Energy Drinks in terms of sales , but your reasons for this " it tastes damn good " is highly speculative and certainly without evidence .

My opinion is that Red Bull does n't have a particularly outstanding " taste satisfaction " score amongst its consumers and the real reasons for its domination are based around recognition , image and implied benefit , driven by a massive market dominating media spend . I 've spend my entire career in the media industry and it has long ceased to surprise me that everyone thinks they are immune to marketing ! ! !

It 's interesting that as an athlete you advocate RB when its well known that all the sponsored athletes of RB are regularly seen drinking out of RB branded drinking bottles ... with definitely no Red Bull in them . I would explain why but I fear it might touch some sensitivities @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ for RB if that is what some of you are implying , I do not do marketing for RB either lol , I just speak honestly , I use energy drinks very seldom as I said when I need a pick me up stimulant in a lazy day and need to train or something . I specially think is very bad to mix energy drinks with Alcohol for the night life . I just like to give credit where credit is due , RB is a leader in this area , is one of the reasons why this huge multi billion dollars market of energy market exists , where over 25 years ago it did not . And it has to do with competency in key areas product quality , marketing , branding , etc. all of it combined .

I even mention that I do n't use it anymore , I have switched to Monster Khaos recently . I just do n't buy into conspiracy theories , That RB taste like crap to the majority of people actually ! that people are just masochist , they are tricked @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ shop around the world this evil product that you kill you because it is so manipulative . I am more of a fan of Occam 's razor logic , that its success its due to a variety of merits , taste reasonable good ( to most people that are into these drinks ) pioneer , solid marketing in this area , amazing brand positioning etc. and etc. hey call me biased if you like for not buying into conspiracy explanations of why they are hugely successful .

Dude , they are successful because they advertise constantly , they own sports teams , they sponsor sports teams , they own sports venues , they own concert venues , they run sports events , they sponsor an absolute ton of sports stars across the planet .

Their name and logo is almost inescapable now .

RB is a marketing company whose product happens to be a drink .

It 's no different to Google . Google 's core product happens to be a search engine .

I really do n't think anyone is calling them evil ( @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ some conspiracy ( it 's just a drink ) , but to think they are huge for any other reason than marketing is so wide of the mark .

RB 's only competitor is Monster , who as it happens are the only other energy drink that market to near RB levels . All the others , Hype , Burn etc etc do not market anywhere even 1% like the two main players and it is no coincidence they sell far far less .

To bring this back around to being an RE discussion , William Storey therefore should at least be given credit for trying to market his drink on a clearly limited budget , and then try to make sales when he got that recognition .

Any Brits reading this will be aware of the constant advertising of the People 's Postcode Lottery . They are a small player in the lottery market in comparison to the National Lottery , but are currently paying out a fortune to advertise constantly . The National Lottery necessarily has a lower marketing budget ( it is a Non-Departmental @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ . People 's Postcode know this and are currently buying their way into first place . It wo n't happen because they have a superior offer , they do n't , the prizes are abysmal in comparison . They will become number one through marketing .

You could stop it before the word " whose " . Red Bull 's product is the Red Bull brand . Unless things have changed recently , Red Bull do nothing but market . Someone else makes the syrup , someone else carbonates it , someone else cans it , someone else distributes it . All Red Bull does is to promise a vast marketing campaign to the companies that basically get a Red Bull licence to get the stuff into the shops .

It 's not far off what Coca-Cola was for a long time , but Coke at least made the syrup . But pre-WW2 the people making the most money out of Coke were three bottling companies in the southern US . Coke eventually got control of the bottling/canning because of that .

You guys are so pretentious @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ purely out of marketing only , not because maybe I just happen to enjoy the damn thing also . Thanks masters , for letting me know exactly how my mind operates !

You guys are so pretentious ! yeah , I grab a RB sometimes to drink purely out of marketing only , not because maybe I just happen to enjoy the damn thing also . Thanks masters , for letting me know exactly how my mind operates !

To bring this back around to being an RE discussion , William Storey therefore should at least be given credit for trying to market his drink on a clearly limited budget , and then try to make sales when he got that recognition .

Billy Boy used the RE money to enjoy the high life . A life he 'd not get near with his background of constant failure . Look at the Instagram account . It 's photographs of Billy Boy with Bernie , Haas , F1 drivers past & present , hanging at Monaco , flying in a helicopter , pretty women .. Despite looking like @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ class for free .

Compare that with Tenzing energy drink . I 'd never heard of until I saw a few adverts on the Tube in London . Not many , but enough to be noticed because the name means something . I 've recently discovered Tesco stock it . Their advertising is the usual guff about health with a nonsense connection with Sherpas . It would appear to be a successful campaign that sells the product and I doubt if it has cost a huge amount of money .

RE may be a headline product on this forum , but it 's vapourware to the majority of the population . Some of the comments I 'm reading here would embarrass a 6 year old . RE is the embodiment of the Emperors clothes , in a tin .

Dude , they are successful because they advertise constantly , they own sports teams , they sponsor sports teams , they own sports venues , they own concert venues , they run sports events , they sponsor an absolute ton of sports stars across the planet .

@ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ RB is a marketing company whose product happens to be a drink .

It 's no different to Google . Google 's core product happens to be a search engine .

I really do n't think anyone is calling them evil ( it 's just a drink ) or that there is some conspiracy ( it 's just a drink ) , but to think they are huge for any other reason than marketing is so wide of the mark .

RB 's only competitor is Monster , who as it happens are the only other energy drink that market to near RB levels . All the others , Hype , Burn etc etc do not market anywhere even 1% like the two main players and it is no coincidence they sell far far less .

To bring this back around to being an RE discussion , William Storey therefore should at least be given credit for trying to market his drink on a clearly limited budget , and then try to make sales when he got that recognition .

Any Brits reading this will @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ Postcode Lottery . They are a small player in the lottery market in comparison to the National Lottery , but are currently paying out a fortune to advertise constantly . The National Lottery necessarily has a lower marketing budget ( it is a Non-Departmental Public Body and thus has strictly controlled public finances ) . People 's Postcode know this and are currently buying their way into first place . It wo n't happen because they have a superior offer , they do n't , the prizes are abysmal in comparison . They will become number one through marketing .

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Very pretentious again , is so simple looking from the outside , why do n't you try to take anything and market the crap out of it and just focus on marketing to see if it works ? There is more to it than this , by being big , they can invest a lot in research and product development , for example , monster have several lines of successful energy drinks , they do market research sampling , tasting it , to come up with the @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ to come up with the best testing Diet Coke , zero Calorie . They researched the hell out of it before launching it , fine tuning it , etc .

You guys make it sound so easy , everybody likes to hear easy explanations , Sure RB is just a marketing company that happens to sell an energy drink , so why not sell cars , planes , computers , mobile phones , if it is all about marketing and they are kings at marketing , all they have to do is campaign to the public that whatever it is that they are selling is great ! And Voila ... screw the taste , quality , delivery , etc . Just market whatever it is the hell out of it and it will be successful , no product research , no development , no expertise , no changing to customer demands , size , etc . Is just marketing !

Very pretentious again , is so simple looking from the outside , why do n't you try to take anything and market the crap out of it and @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ There is more to it than this , by being big , they can invest a lot in research and product development , for example , monster have several lines of successful energy drinks , they do market research sampling , tasting it , to come up with the right formula . Just like Coke for example was able to come up with the best testing Diet Coke , zero Calorie . They researched the hell out of it before launching it , fine tuning it , etc .

You guys make it sound so easy , everybody likes to hear easy explanations , Sure RB is just a marketing company that happens to sell an energy drink , so why not sell cars , planes , computers , mobile phones , if it is all about marketing and they are kings at marketing , all they have to do is campaign to the public that whatever it is that they are selling is great ! And Voila ... screw the taste , quality , delivery , etc . Just market whatever it is the hell out of it @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ no development , no expertise , no changing to customer demands , size , etc . Is just marketing !

It is just marketing . It is n't even particularly clever , but salesmen can fool weak minded people very easily .

You guys are so pretentious ! yeah , I grab a RB sometimes to drink purely out of marketing only , not because maybe I just happen to enjoy the damn thing also . Thanks masters , for letting me know exactly how my mind operates !

It 's not that you 're not allowed to like Red Bull , or even that their product is n't good . It 's that it 's the marketing that puts them ahead in terms of sales , and they rely on the product being good enough to back up the marketing . It 's not head and shoulders above all competition in terms of product quality . It can not be in such a saturated market . That 's the parallel to Coca-Cola . The drink itself only needs to be good enough to keep people coming @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ marketing behind it that makes the difference . Hell , Coca-Cola even tastes different in different markets because different plants use different sugar sources .

To try to swing this back on topic , there were ideas in the early days of this thread that Rich Energy was simply a rebranded variant of Red Bull . ( Though that 's been subsequently shown to be false . )

Dude , they are successful because they advertise constantly , they own sports teams , they sponsor sports teams , they own sports venues , they own concert venues , they run sports events , they sponsor an absolute ton of sports stars across the planet .

Their name and logo is almost inescapable now .

RB is a marketing company whose product happens to be a drink .

It 's no different to Google . Google 's core product happens to be a search engine .

I really do n't think anyone is calling them evil ( it 's just a drink ) or that there is some conspiracy ( it 's just a drink @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ other reason than marketing is so wide of the mark .

RB 's only competitor is Monster , who as it happens are the only other energy drink that market to near RB levels . All the others , Hype , Burn etc etc do not market anywhere even 1% like the two main players and it is no coincidence they sell far far less .

To bring this back around to being an RE discussion , William Storey therefore should at least be given credit for trying to market his drink on a clearly limited budget , and then try to make sales when he got that recognition .

Any Brits reading this will be aware of the constant advertising of the People 's Postcode Lottery . They are a small player in the lottery market in comparison to the National Lottery , but are currently paying out a fortune to advertise constantly . The National Lottery necessarily has a lower marketing budget ( it is a Non-Departmental Public Body and thus has strictly controlled public finances ) . People 's Postcode know this and are @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ n't happen because they have a superior offer , they do n't , the prizes are abysmal in comparison . They will become number one through marketing .

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I'ver had the ' someones knocking at your door ' song in my head now . I hate you .

Very pretentious again , is so simple looking from the outside , why do n't you try to take anything and market the crap out of it and just focus on marketing to see if it works ? There is more to it than this , by being big , they can invest a lot in research and product development , for example , monster have several lines of successful energy drinks , they do market research sampling , tasting it , to come up with the right formula . Just like Coke for example was able to come up with the best testing Diet Coke , zero Calorie . They researched the hell out of it before launching it , fine tuning it , etc .

You guys make it sound so easy , everybody likes @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ marketing company that happens to sell an energy drink , so why not sell cars , planes , computers , mobile phones , if it is all about marketing and they are kings at marketing , all they have to do is campaign to the public that whatever it is that they are selling is great ! And Voila ... screw the taste , quality , delivery , etc . Just market whatever it is the hell out of it and it will be successful , no product research , no development , no expertise , no changing to customer demands , size , etc . Is just marketing !

2 things here :

1 : I 'm really not sure if you are serious ? You really need to go and do some research about how products become big when they are n't the ' best ' . Have you ever heard of BetaMax ? No ? Go and Google it . And while you are at it , why is it Googling and not DuckDuckGoing ?

2 : I do n't think you understand the @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ work ' at the thing it claims to be so there is something more than just marketing , but for totally subjective products like food and drink there really is little more than a good advert . Red Bull makes something that can be drunk without making you want to vomit , therefore it is a drink , so it passes the ' does what it says on the tin ' test . But there is minimal skill in producing a drink , and how popular that drink is has NO impact on how it does in blind taste tests . There are so , so , so many research papers done on this exact topic . More people pick a cheap supermarket cola over Pepsi , and more pick Pepsi over Coca Cola , yet Coca Cola remains the number 1 coke brand in the world . People ask for a coke , meaning a cola , people Google rather than search , people hoover rather than vaccum , people sellotape rather than using sticky back plastic ... the list goes on and on .

Well , I @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ j ? ger-bombs . Now , when we get to that we are pissed out of our minds already .

So they could put any type of energy drink in the glass along with the precious J ? germeister . But they do n't . They use Red Bull . Because marketing .

Yep . A bit like the coke example above . You ask for a coke and they 'll give you coca cola not pepsi . You ask for an energy drink without specifying and they 'll give you a Red Bull . You ask for a jagerbomb and it 'll have a Red Bull and will likely kill you . Minor exagerration only . To try to compete against such ingrained product bias takes some serious effort and I guess Rich Energy gets a bit of credit fo rmanaging to run such an awesome ad campaign that it definitely raised brand awareness to a whole new level .

It 's a shame all the fun seems to have ended . While it 's been good to discuss how naive people are when it comes @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ ( and why my daughter only watches BBC cartoons or ones via an ad free app ) , I 'm struggling to find much more Rich Energy discussion ... come on ! Something more needs to happen on this saga . If this is it and no more news comes out I 'll be gutted . It 'll be like a powercut with just 10 mins left of a murder mystery !

1 : I 'm really not sure if you are serious ? You really need to go and do some research about how products become big when they are n't the ' best ' . Have you ever heard of BetaMax ? No ? Go and Google it . And while you are at it , why is it Googling and not DuckDuckGoing ?

2 : I do n't think you understand the word pretentious

Of course a product needs to ' work ' at the thing it claims to be so there is something more than just marketing , but for totally subjective products like food and drink there really is little more than @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ be drunk without making you want to vomit , therefore it is a drink , so it passes the ' does what it says on the tin ' test . But there is minimal skill in producing a drink , and how popular that drink is has NO impact on how it does in blind taste tests . There are so , so , so many research papers done on this exact topic . More people pick a cheap supermarket cola over Pepsi , and more pick Pepsi over Coca Cola , yet Coca Cola remains the number 1 coke brand in the world . People ask for a coke , meaning a cola , people Google rather than search , people hoover rather than vaccum , people sellotape rather than using sticky back plastic ... the list goes on and on .

And NO-ONE says , I 'd like a Rich Energy please , in any context .

I agree in basis on all , but , from my memorie , Google hardly did advertising/sponsoring at start and still compared revenue is doing far less then other @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ Yep . A bit like the coke example above . You ask for a coke and they 'll give you coca cola not pepsi . You ask for an energy drink without specifying and they 'll give you a Red Bull . You ask for a jagerbomb and it 'll have a Red Bull and will likely kill you . Minor exagerration only . To try to compete against such ingrained product bias takes some serious effort and I guess Rich Energy gets a bit of credit fo rmanaging to run such an awesome ad campaign that it definitely raised brand awareness to a whole new level .

It 's a shame all the fun seems to have ended . While it 's been good to discuss how naive people are when it comes to marketing and how it really does twist your mind ( and why my daughter only watches BBC cartoons or ones via an ad free app ) , I 'm struggling to find much more Rich Energy discussion ... come on ! Something more needs to happen on this saga . If this is it @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ . It 'll be like a powercut with just 10 mins left of a murder mystery !

Was n't August 1st the absolute deadline for RE and Whyte to sort everything out ? That was yesterday . There must be some more news .

I agree in basis on all , but , from my memorie , Google hardly did advertising/sponsoring at start and still compared revenue is doing far less then other companies with same revenue if i remember correct .

Google built and marketed the brand . I was an Altavista user in the old days ( and sometimes Yahoo too ) . Google was n't first out the box , but they pushed themselves into first place by doing the same as the rest , but pushing their name too .

Oh , and one last word on marketing ...

Once Google was the clear brand leader , Microsoft decided they wanted a slice . They aggressively marketed Bing . Result - I do n't know anyone who uses Bing . Once a brand like Red Bull has been established as the @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ more than a foothold , no matter how much you spend on marketing . That 's the problem Rich Energy has/had .

Google built and marketed the brand . I was an Altavista user in the old days ( and sometimes Yahoo too ) . Google was n't first out the box , but they pushed themselves into first place by doing the same as the rest , but pushing their name too .

I ca n't remember big PR campaigns like for instance Nike or something like that . More their " in platform " PRis my feeling , but could be wrong . I think i started using it just because got better results . Still reason i use it , especial for images Google gives me far better and more results then the others .

I had brought option RE had to handle possible on small budget . Still i ca n't have respect for chosen PR strategy . They should have secured better budget then , better management team , and even if only small budget stay , i believe a proposed PR @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ https : //forums.autos ... ergy/ ? p=8649796

1 : I 'm really not sure if you are serious ? You really need to go and do some research about how products become big when they are n't the ' best ' . Have you ever heard of BetaMax ? No ? Go and Google it . And while you are at it , why is it Googling and not DuckDuckGoing ?

2 : I do n't think you understand the word pretentious

Of course a product needs to ' work ' at the thing it claims to be so there is something more than just marketing , but for totally subjective products like food and drink there really is little more than a good advert . Red Bull makes something that can be drunk without making you want to vomit , therefore it is a drink , so it passes the ' does what it says on the tin ' test . But there is minimal skill in producing a drink , and how popular that drink is has NO impact on how it does in blind @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ many research papers done on this exact topic . More people pick a cheap supermarket cola over Pepsi , and more pick Pepsi over Coca Cola , yet Coca Cola remains the number 1 coke brand in the world . People ask for a coke , meaning a cola , people Google rather than search , people hoover rather than vaccum , people sellotape rather than using sticky back plastic ... the list goes on and on .

And NO-ONE says , I 'd like a Rich Energy please , in any context .

Very pretentious again , pretentious to pretend to understand my and many others whole motivations and assume you are an expert as to why people buy certain products , to try to compartmentalize into a simpleton truth . Google become the leader because it delivers well what it promises well , fast , easy to use , deep search engine , I have used Yahoo , Bing , etc . And I settled on it , as did a lot of people because I am quite satisfied with it , sure , there is @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ the delivery too much , the product . Again , making it sounds like you can just take something that is very mediocre or not very bad , market the hell out of it and it will become great .

Since you guys like to bring it Google , Google , how about Internet Explorer ? Hardly any other technology product in history has been more marketed and more pushed into customers as Internet Explorer , Microsoft billion dollar machine has tried for decades to make the Browser to use , even facing anti trust law suites for trying to make it the only option to come with Windows , yet it has failed miserably , I am using chrome , for many years used Firefox. a company with hardly any marketing behind it . There are small differences in browsers and browsers version , they basically do more or less the same thing , but details in quality make the difference as do word of mouth .

I mean I get it , some of you hate RB , it has become cool because they push so @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ now actually cool to hate on the giant that makes so muc money basically selling a sugary drink , and people want to sound smart hey , why are people drinking this crap is just a sugary drink , do n't fall for the cool marketing , bla , bla look at me , I am so above it all . You think it taste good ? You nuts , it taste like crap ... ok ... I actually try to see merits on success rather than just fitting it into my judgmental projections , " oh man look at google , look at google " I own a business myself , I have no time for pretentious mindsets , I am into seeing what works and what does n't . But anyway since here we have so many Keyboards Warren Buffets and Jack Welch in here , who have the whole business world figured it out , and so much time on their hands to show all of their business acumen on a Forum , thanks for teaching me about it , carry on .

Very pretentious again @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ whole motivations and assume you are an expert as to why people buy certain products , to try to compartmentalize into a simpleton truth . Google become the leader because it delivers well what it promises well , fast , easy to use , deep search engine , I have used Yahoo , Bing , etc . And I settled on it , as did a lot of people because I am quite satisfied with it , sure , there is a huge marketing behind it , but you guys underplay the delivery too much , the product . Again , making it sounds like you can just take something that is very mediocre or not very bad , market the hell out of it and it will become great .

Since you guys like to bring it Google , Google , how about Internet Explorer ? Hardly any other technology product in history has been more marketed and more pushed into customers as Internet Explorer , Microsoft billion dollar machine has tried for decades to make the Browser to use , even facing anti trust law suites for @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ Windows , yet it has failed miserably , I am using chrome , for many years used Firefox. a company with hardly any marketing behind it . There are small differences in browsers and browsers version , they basically do more or less the same thing , but details in quality make the difference as do word of mouth .

I mean I get it , some of you hate RB , it has become cool because they push so much on this idea of being cool , so is now actually cool to hate on the giant that makes so muc money basically selling a sugary drink , and people want to sound smart hey , why are people drinking this crap is just a sugary drink , do n't fall for the cool marketing , bla , bla look at me , I am so above it all . You think it taste good ? You nuts , it taste like crap ... ok ... I actually try to see merits on success rather than just fitting it into my judgmental projections , " oh man look @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ business myself , I have no time for pretentious mindsets , I am into seeing what works and what does n't . But anyway since here we have so many Keyboards Warren Buffets and Jack Welch in here , who have the whole business world figured it out , and so much time on their hands to show all of their business acumen on a Forum , thanks for teaching me about it , carry on .

Love how you keep throwing " pretentious " around when your posts are the most pretentious of all

The managing director of a Manchester-based infosec firm has been fined for flying his helicopter into an air traffic control zone without permission -- having first launched a rant at tower controllers . Joel Tobias , a helicopter owner and pilot who was described by the Manchester Evening News as a " wealthy businessman " , was ... Re : What kind of climate vandal ..

Physically it really is . I grew up in Ansdell , backing onto the Moss . The old Moss Road from the back of Ansdell to the M55 , which I believe is now closed , goes along the perimeter of the airport . The airport radar station lived down there , and was usually accessed by staff from the Moss Road rather than through the airport . When I was a kid , that put about a mile between the edge of Lytham ( Albany Road ) and the airport , but of course there 's a new housing development there now so the distance is down to more like half a mile .

The *entrance* to the airport of course is definitely in Blackpool though . @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ to defend the plonker , but I think that 's just unfortunate wording , as he later said he was routing around B'pool then , so I guess he was en route to somewhere else , entering B'pool from direction of LStA . Re : Arrogant dickhead

ATCs do n't have time to just have a nice chat . What we 're dealing with here is an entitled prick who has barged to the front of the queue in a busy shop because they think they 're more important than everyone else . What a ...

... donkey .

It matters f'all how much your toy costs to fly , and if you can not afford it you should not fly it . There 's rules how to enter the control zone ( and how to treat other human beings ffs ! ) surrounding airports ( well , all of those zones of controlled airspace depending on whether you fly VFR or IFR ) . First point : you need clearance to enter the zone . Maybe they should also suspend his driver 's license @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ are in a " lesser " car , i.e. any car that 's cheaper than his helicopter . Re : What a ...

>> I 'm running on fumes " call

Handled very differently - including an investigation into WHY it was allowed to get to that point : IE : WHY the PIC did n't make a technical stop a long time before it got anywhere near that stage instead of pressing on regardless Having been in a private whirly bird ..

Normally when anywhere near air traffic controlled airspace the first thing you do is confirm where you 're headed , how high and where you are now .

If they tell you to move you move . If they tell you to stay , you stay . It 's irritating but is there to hopefully prevent crap like having a glider and towplane fly at you* . With respect to landing , if the airspace is busy , you F***ING wait unless you want air traffic control rightfully telling you off on an open channel and then having to warn other @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ said they be a pain about confirming the difference between North East and North-North East ( we flew between both so it was neither here nor there ) ....

* or rather did n't because the towplane did n't bother to check if he could take off from the hillside he was sat on , not expecting any bugger to fly a helicopter to look at the Kilburn White horse from the air but I digress ... Re : Just a fine ? Contrary view

While it sounds like he was indeed very much in the wrong , in mitigation I will point out that in many cases when you have had a late handover and so are fast approaching an ATZ ( air traffic control zone ) for which you need permission to enter , and you can not get through to ATC , it can be a pretty stressful situation in congested airspace . If you do n't get the required permission in time you will need to start executing 360 degree turns in order to remain outside the boundary , which other pilots @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ IFR flights in the same area ) will not be expecting , so you have to keep a really good lookout and hope that you spot any conflicts .

Stress can exhibit itself in several ways - and if it was true that the controller was having semi-social chats with other pilots she knew while telling this pilot to " stand by " , then I can see how that would be frustrating and induce anger in a person who is feeling stressed and ( dare I say it ? ) perhaps in a situation that was a bit over his head and so a little frightened as well - while trying not to show it to his passengers .

It does n't excuse his rudeness , but it might go some way to understanding why it happened . Re : Contrary view Re : Contrary view

Many helicopters do n't have enough power to maintain a high hover , especially when carrying a full load . When out of ground-effect they must maintain forward airspeed to provide additional ( translational ) lift . Albeit @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ A high hover is also not easy to maintain safely even if sufficient power is available , because if the pilot inadvertently starts to descend ( difficult to notice when high ) , the blades will encounter their own vortex and the pilot will very rapidly lose control ( vortex ring state or " settling with power " - sort of the rotary aircraft version of stalling ) . Re : Contrary view

" a person who is feeling stressed and ( dare I say it ? ) perhaps in a situation that was a bit over his head and so a little frightened as well - while trying not to show it to his passengers . "

That could well apply in some cases . Does it seem likely to apply to this one ? How would we know ? Well ...

Readers may wish to do a bit of further research , e.g. have a read of the related Daily Mail article from 10 Jan ( online ) and look not just at the article text but at the pictures of the guilty party @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ it leads you .

Sorry , no link , in case it stops these words getting posted . You 'll work it out . Re : Contrary view Re : Contrary view

DailyMail appears to have no search window , have wasted 10 minutes trying to find out how to check your story , so why no link ? does El Reg block messages containing links ? <https : **35;901;TOOLONG ... @aaashy : Why no link ?

A post submitted earlier did contain a link to the mailonline article and has finally arrived here now but had previously sat awaiting clearance for a lot more than ten minutes , during which time I had already posted a briefer , link-free , version in the expectation that folk might use their favourite search engine to find the actual article . Sorry about the delay , ambiguity , and wasted time . Re : Contrary view

>> IF it was true that the controller was having semi-social chats with other pilots she knew while telling this pilot to " stand by "

Having sat @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ a controller is doing that , then they 're shuffling stuff or waiting for a computer and ca n't actually DO anything - and if he was being pushy or a prick , then I can understand her not saying that the computers are being sluggish .

Of course pilots like this guy DO N'T spend time in controller spaces , so they do n't know what goes on at the other end of the radio . It 's a worthwhile experience for anyone training so they have a feeling for what 's going on when things get busy . Re : Over here :

"

... not sure what you would expect to do at that point ... Phone in ?

"

That is indeed usually a viable option these days . Otherwise you continue to follow your flight plan ( if filed ) , join the circuit at the airport keeping a good look-out and wait for red or green light signals from the tower , rocking your wings to acknowledge that you have seen them .

You can also alert @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ pattern to signify transmitter failure , and a left-hand triangle to signify total radio failure . Re : Over here : In the wild ? !

Well , you know what we have here ? This is what is called an " Ultra privileged over-educated shit head " We do n't usually see them in the wild ... Usually they are smart enough to keep their tantrums private , although it seems not so much any more . Nuts before take off anyone ? I believe that helicopters should n't be able to " self clear " anyway

Even if he did properly announce his position , altitude , air speed , heading , etc like a pilot entering airspace without prior clearance should , he still should have been censured for doing so . A helicopter can hover , FFS , not all of us have the option of just not moving . The only way he could be justified would be if he was running low on fuel , dealing with a failing system , engaging in life-saving operations , the helicopter is @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ etc .

My role at work involves flying the company jet* in and out of the NYC area , and pretty much every flight of ours ends up having to adjust for some whirly-wanker thinking they own the skies . I wonder what it will take for them to finally realize that me getting out of their way is far more dangerous for me than for them to get out of my way . For me , my only options are to proceed forward , hoping the helicopter listens to ATC and stay out of my approach / departure path , or to abort the landing , and return to a traffic pattern in some of the busiest skies in the world . For them , its a gentle pulling back of the collective and just not moving for a little while , the only risk they face is their passengers getting all blustery ( As helicopter passenger in NYC are wont to do ) .

*I am part of a 8-person Red Team , and since we 're all traveling at the same time to the same @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ to travel as a unit in a light jet . Plus we 've audited the security of some airlines and aircraft manufacturers , and we are n't exactly thrilled at the prospect of climbing on to one of their planes , whereas our aircraft , we 've went through and audited the hell out of its electronics ( We acquired a retired version of our aircraft , identical in every way except for the serial numbers , and then attacked it with everything we had , working with the manufacturer to fix the bugs we found ) . Re : I believe that helicopters should n't be able to " self clear " anyway

Never heard of self clearance , but then I only had a glider license ( which has now expired , too busy with other stuff , sadly ) . We were taught to stay tf out of anything class C and D ( though some special local rules allowed limited use of certain parts of C surrounding the local airport , but only on request and clearance ) . Re : I believe @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ " anyway

There is no such thing as self-clearance regarding controlled airspace in the UK . You can clear yourself to take off or land at an *uncontrolled* , private runway ( there 's nobody to clear you anyway ! ) . No clearance is required for any aircraft to enter class " G " airspace . Re : I believe that helicopters should n't be able to " self clear " anyway

"

A helicopter can hover , FFS

"

Looks like you are n't a pilot and are repeating some inaccurate and predjudiced myths about rotary operations .

As I mentioned previously , in fact most GA helicopters have insufficient power to hover out of ground-effect unless lightly loaded , and entering a high-hover is in any case not recommended because of the risk of losing control due to vortex-ring effect ( settling with power ) . A high hover also eats fuel like crazy . You can however easily & safely slow to about 20 kts indicated airspeed , which on many days will give you close to zero ground @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ Incidentally , the control used to slow down a helicopter is the cyclic ( " stick " ) , not the collective ( " handle " ) . Helicopters in the UK must follow the same regulations and get the same ATC clearances as fixed-wing , except that there are a few specifically designated routes that rotary aircraft are permitted to fly but fixed-wing may not - e.g. the London low-level helicopter corridor . Also the regulation that demands that pilots always maintain a position where it would be possible to land in a clear area in the event of an engine failure allows more latitude to helicopters , which can auto-rotate into in a much smaller space than a fixed-wing needs to carry out a glide landing . Re : flight time cost

( I joined at Weybridge while it was still British Waste O ' Space and was most perturbed to discover that our esteemed northern colleagues had somehow managed to be " Home Of " practically every aircraft in the RAF 's inventory since 1st April 1918 ... or at least , that is what @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ that rich you use a chopper to ferry your family around the north ( I know both places mentioned are in the north , thanks to the KLF ) ... stomach the cost , and be polite to overworked , overstressed controllers .

And do not break protocol and/or laws because you 're having a hissy fit .

Costwise he got off light ... the CAA returning ( or not ) the license will be the big smack here . C-Suite mentality in the air

He 's obviously aware of his role outside of the aircraft , but he appears to have forgotten what his job description is when *inside* the aircraft .

IFAIK ( And I 'm not a pilot ) ' ATC ' stands for ' Air Traffic Control ' and it 's their responsibility to manage the airspace they are responsible for . not his .

This includes the timely delivery of ' service ' , with a focus on the safety of *all* airspace users , both passengers and crew ,

The ' C ' in ATC is Control @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ ' of what 's going on in their ATZ , and as such are the only ones who *can* control the overall situation . Mr. self-important heli pilot seems to have forgotten it 's ATC 's job to control him , not the other way around . Frustrating it may be to a C-Suite mentality ( ego ? ) , but that 's the deal when you strap the aircraft on .

As for the 550/Hour complaint , he should be familiar with the ' cost of doing business ' , and even I know the only thing that keeps a rotary-wing aircraft up in the air is money ..... what did this idiot expect ? Why choose to do something seriously expensive and then complain about the cost !

Plus , if his journey was that time-ciritical he should have allowed some wiggle room in his flight schedule : - )

Whilst writing this , I 've been thinking of a suitable phrase to express my opinion of him . Sadly , the best I can come up with is ' Arrogant and ignorant twat ! @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ Dundee council employee who quit in September after being accused of stealing authority-owned smoke alarms and selling them for a five-figure profit has still not been questioned by police , it can be revealed .

Electrical supervisor Iain Gardyne , who can be named today for the first time , resigned from his role after bosses were tipped off to council-owned smoke alarms being sold on the online auction site eBay .

It is understood Mr Gardyne , when questioned by bosses , claimed the devices were secondhand and taken from residents ' homes as they were replaced by newer models , despite some devices appearing to have been advertised with a shelf life until 2029 .

He has since gone on to set up his own business , I.G Electrical , carrying out domestic , commercial and industrial work around Dundee and Angus .

Despite handing in his notice four months ago , The Courier can reveal Mr Gardyne has never been been spoken to by police in any capacity about the smoke alarms and no one has been arrested or charged .

Dundee City Council 's scrutiny committee convener Kevin @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ and said he was told the devices were sold for around ? 10,000 .

Mr Keenan is calling for further answers and believes the lack of information provided by the council has made proper scrutiny impossible .

He said : " I 'm asking what did the stuff cost us to buy in the first place and what was the range of materials being sold ? David Martin could n't answer that .

" Those are the kinds of issues in terms of scrutiny that we need to know . I raised the question in the first place because the public needs to know what is going on . "

The Construction Services department where Mr Gardyne was employed has been at the centre of a major corporate fraud investigation after a contract to provide heat and smoke and carbon monoxide detectors was awarded without ever going out to tender .

Two senior staff members in the department attended a " customer event " in Spain arranged by the firm awarded the deal , Edmundson Electrical , although it is has been claimed both paid @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ first raised concerns about the department in May after being alerted by members of the public , and said some individuals he " would have expected to have been disciplined " remain on the council payroll .

He said : " When I asked questions about this , I got a response from David Martin that the case is ongoing , that police have been involved and are being kept informed .

" Given this has all been going on since May , it 's really frustrating . If it 's the case that employees have been hung out to dry , then this should not be going on for nine months . There needs to be a fairness to employees , as well as everyone . "

Police Scotland refused to comment on why Mr Gardyne had not yet been questioned about the alarms , stating only that " inquires are ongoing " .

A Dundee City Council spokesman said : " Senior elected members have been kept updated by officers and a comprehensive report on the issue will be submitted to all councillors as @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ referred to Police Scotland . It would not be appropriate to comment on any personnel matter or ongoing investigation . "

Look Closer is a photography exhibition running at Gallery 48 from February 1 until March 31 . The exhibition displays images from the collections of three Dundee photographers : Claudia Starchevich , Jeni

The managing director of a Manchester-based infosec firm has been fined for flying his helicopter into an air traffic control zone without permission -- having first launched a rant at tower controllers . Joel Tobias , a helicopter owner and pilot who was described by the Manchester Evening News as a " wealthy businessman " , was ... Re : What kind of climate vandal ..

Physically it really is . I grew up in Ansdell , backing onto the Moss . The old Moss Road from the back of Ansdell to the M55 , which I believe is now closed , goes along the perimeter of the airport . The airport radar station lived down there , and was usually accessed by staff from the Moss Road rather than through the airport . When I was a kid , that put about a mile between the edge of Lytham ( Albany Road ) and the airport , but of course there 's a new housing development there now so the distance is down to more like half a mile .

The *entrance* to the airport of course is definitely in Blackpool though . @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ to defend the plonker , but I think that 's just unfortunate wording , as he later said he was routing around B'pool then , so I guess he was en route to somewhere else , entering B'pool from direction of LStA . Re : Arrogant dickhead

ATCs do n't have time to just have a nice chat . What we 're dealing with here is an entitled prick who has barged to the front of the queue in a busy shop because they think they 're more important than everyone else . What a ...

... donkey .

It matters f'all how much your toy costs to fly , and if you can not afford it you should not fly it . There 's rules how to enter the control zone ( and how to treat other human beings ffs ! ) surrounding airports ( well , all of those zones of controlled airspace depending on whether you fly VFR or IFR ) . First point : you need clearance to enter the zone . Maybe they should also suspend his driver 's license @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ are in a " lesser " car , i.e. any car that 's cheaper than his helicopter . Re : What a ...

>> I 'm running on fumes " call

Handled very differently - including an investigation into WHY it was allowed to get to that point : IE : WHY the PIC did n't make a technical stop a long time before it got anywhere near that stage instead of pressing on regardless Having been in a private whirly bird ..

Normally when anywhere near air traffic controlled airspace the first thing you do is confirm where you 're headed , how high and where you are now .

If they tell you to move you move . If they tell you to stay , you stay . It 's irritating but is there to hopefully prevent crap like having a glider and towplane fly at you* . With respect to landing , if the airspace is busy , you F***ING wait unless you want air traffic control rightfully telling you off on an open channel and then having to warn other @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ said they be a pain about confirming the difference between North East and North-North East ( we flew between both so it was neither here nor there ) ....

* or rather did n't because the towplane did n't bother to check if he could take off from the hillside he was sat on , not expecting any bugger to fly a helicopter to look at the Kilburn White horse from the air but I digress ... Re : Just a fine ? Contrary view

While it sounds like he was indeed very much in the wrong , in mitigation I will point out that in many cases when you have had a late handover and so are fast approaching an ATZ ( air traffic control zone ) for which you need permission to enter , and you can not get through to ATC , it can be a pretty stressful situation in congested airspace . If you do n't get the required permission in time you will need to start executing 360 degree turns in order to remain outside the boundary , which other pilots @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ IFR flights in the same area ) will not be expecting , so you have to keep a really good lookout and hope that you spot any conflicts .

Stress can exhibit itself in several ways - and if it was true that the controller was having semi-social chats with other pilots she knew while telling this pilot to " stand by " , then I can see how that would be frustrating and induce anger in a person who is feeling stressed and ( dare I say it ? ) perhaps in a situation that was a bit over his head and so a little frightened as well - while trying not to show it to his passengers .

It does n't excuse his rudeness , but it might go some way to understanding why it happened . Re : Contrary view Re : Contrary view

Many helicopters do n't have enough power to maintain a high hover , especially when carrying a full load . When out of ground-effect they must maintain forward airspeed to provide additional ( translational ) lift . Albeit @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ A high hover is also not easy to maintain safely even if sufficient power is available , because if the pilot inadvertently starts to descend ( difficult to notice when high ) , the blades will encounter their own vortex and the pilot will very rapidly lose control ( vortex ring state or " settling with power " - sort of the rotary aircraft version of stalling ) . Re : Contrary view

" a person who is feeling stressed and ( dare I say it ? ) perhaps in a situation that was a bit over his head and so a little frightened as well - while trying not to show it to his passengers . "

That could well apply in some cases . Does it seem likely to apply to this one ? How would we know ? Well ...

Readers may wish to do a bit of further research , e.g. have a read of the related Daily Mail article from 10 Jan ( online ) and look not just at the article text but at the pictures of the guilty party @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ it leads you .

Sorry , no link , in case it stops these words getting posted . You 'll work it out . Re : Contrary view Re : Contrary view

DailyMail appears to have no search window , have wasted 10 minutes trying to find out how to check your story , so why no link ? does El Reg block messages containing links ? <https : **35;901;TOOLONG ... @aaashy : Why no link ?

A post submitted earlier did contain a link to the mailonline article and has finally arrived here now but had previously sat awaiting clearance for a lot more than ten minutes , during which time I had already posted a briefer , link-free , version in the expectation that folk might use their favourite search engine to find the actual article . Sorry about the delay , ambiguity , and wasted time . Re : Contrary view

>> IF it was true that the controller was having semi-social chats with other pilots she knew while telling this pilot to " stand by "

Having sat @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ a controller is doing that , then they 're shuffling stuff or waiting for a computer and ca n't actually DO anything - and if he was being pushy or a prick , then I can understand her not saying that the computers are being sluggish .

Of course pilots like this guy DO N'T spend time in controller spaces , so they do n't know what goes on at the other end of the radio . It 's a worthwhile experience for anyone training so they have a feeling for what 's going on when things get busy . Re : Over here :

"

... not sure what you would expect to do at that point ... Phone in ?

"

That is indeed usually a viable option these days . Otherwise you continue to follow your flight plan ( if filed ) , join the circuit at the airport keeping a good look-out and wait for red or green light signals from the tower , rocking your wings to acknowledge that you have seen them .

You can also alert @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ pattern to signify transmitter failure , and a left-hand triangle to signify total radio failure . Re : Over here : In the wild ? !

Well , you know what we have here ? This is what is called an " Ultra privileged over-educated shit head " We do n't usually see them in the wild ... Usually they are smart enough to keep their tantrums private , although it seems not so much any more . Nuts before take off anyone ? I believe that helicopters should n't be able to " self clear " anyway

Even if he did properly announce his position , altitude , air speed , heading , etc like a pilot entering airspace without prior clearance should , he still should have been censured for doing so . A helicopter can hover , FFS , not all of us have the option of just not moving . The only way he could be justified would be if he was running low on fuel , dealing with a failing system , engaging in life-saving operations , the helicopter is @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ etc .

My role at work involves flying the company jet* in and out of the NYC area , and pretty much every flight of ours ends up having to adjust for some whirly-wanker thinking they own the skies . I wonder what it will take for them to finally realize that me getting out of their way is far more dangerous for me than for them to get out of my way . For me , my only options are to proceed forward , hoping the helicopter listens to ATC and stay out of my approach / departure path , or to abort the landing , and return to a traffic pattern in some of the busiest skies in the world . For them , its a gentle pulling back of the collective and just not moving for a little while , the only risk they face is their passengers getting all blustery ( As helicopter passenger in NYC are wont to do ) .

*I am part of a 8-person Red Team , and since we 're all traveling at the same time to the same @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ to travel as a unit in a light jet . Plus we 've audited the security of some airlines and aircraft manufacturers , and we are n't exactly thrilled at the prospect of climbing on to one of their planes , whereas our aircraft , we 've went through and audited the hell out of its electronics ( We acquired a retired version of our aircraft , identical in every way except for the serial numbers , and then attacked it with everything we had , working with the manufacturer to fix the bugs we found ) . Re : I believe that helicopters should n't be able to " self clear " anyway

Never heard of self clearance , but then I only had a glider license ( which has now expired , too busy with other stuff , sadly ) . We were taught to stay tf out of anything class C and D ( though some special local rules allowed limited use of certain parts of C surrounding the local airport , but only on request and clearance ) . Re : I believe @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ " anyway

There is no such thing as self-clearance regarding controlled airspace in the UK . You can clear yourself to take off or land at an *uncontrolled* , private runway ( there 's nobody to clear you anyway ! ) . No clearance is required for any aircraft to enter class " G " airspace . Re : I believe that helicopters should n't be able to " self clear " anyway

"

A helicopter can hover , FFS

"

Looks like you are n't a pilot and are repeating some inaccurate and predjudiced myths about rotary operations .

As I mentioned previously , in fact most GA helicopters have insufficient power to hover out of ground-effect unless lightly loaded , and entering a high-hover is in any case not recommended because of the risk of losing control due to vortex-ring effect ( settling with power ) . A high hover also eats fuel like crazy . You can however easily & safely slow to about 20 kts indicated airspeed , which on many days will give you close to zero ground @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ Incidentally , the control used to slow down a helicopter is the cyclic ( " stick " ) , not the collective ( " handle " ) . Helicopters in the UK must follow the same regulations and get the same ATC clearances as fixed-wing , except that there are a few specifically designated routes that rotary aircraft are permitted to fly but fixed-wing may not - e.g. the London low-level helicopter corridor . Also the regulation that demands that pilots always maintain a position where it would be possible to land in a clear area in the event of an engine failure allows more latitude to helicopters , which can auto-rotate into in a much smaller space than a fixed-wing needs to carry out a glide landing . Re : flight time cost

( I joined at Weybridge while it was still British Waste O ' Space and was most perturbed to discover that our esteemed northern colleagues had somehow managed to be " Home Of " practically every aircraft in the RAF 's inventory since 1st April 1918 ... or at least , that is what @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ that rich you use a chopper to ferry your family around the north ( I know both places mentioned are in the north , thanks to the KLF ) ... stomach the cost , and be polite to overworked , overstressed controllers .

And do not break protocol and/or laws because you 're having a hissy fit .

Costwise he got off light ... the CAA returning ( or not ) the license will be the big smack here . C-Suite mentality in the air

He 's obviously aware of his role outside of the aircraft , but he appears to have forgotten what his job description is when *inside* the aircraft .

IFAIK ( And I 'm not a pilot ) ' ATC ' stands for ' Air Traffic Control ' and it 's their responsibility to manage the airspace they are responsible for . not his .

This includes the timely delivery of ' service ' , with a focus on the safety of *all* airspace users , both passengers and crew ,

The ' C ' in ATC is Control @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ ' of what 's going on in their ATZ , and as such are the only ones who *can* control the overall situation . Mr. self-important heli pilot seems to have forgotten it 's ATC 's job to control him , not the other way around . Frustrating it may be to a C-Suite mentality ( ego ? ) , but that 's the deal when you strap the aircraft on .

As for the 550/Hour complaint , he should be familiar with the ' cost of doing business ' , and even I know the only thing that keeps a rotary-wing aircraft up in the air is money ..... what did this idiot expect ? Why choose to do something seriously expensive and then complain about the cost !

Plus , if his journey was that time-ciritical he should have allowed some wiggle room in his flight schedule : - )

Whilst writing this , I 've been thinking of a suitable phrase to express my opinion of him . Sadly , the best I can come up with is ' Arrogant and ignorant twat ! @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ Dundee council employee who quit in September after being accused of stealing authority-owned smoke alarms and selling them for a five-figure profit has still not been questioned by police , it can be revealed .

Electrical supervisor Iain Gardyne , who can be named today for the first time , resigned from his role after bosses were tipped off to council-owned smoke alarms being sold on the online auction site eBay .

It is understood Mr Gardyne , when questioned by bosses , claimed the devices were secondhand and taken from residents ' homes as they were replaced by newer models , despite some devices appearing to have been advertised with a shelf life until 2029 .

He has since gone on to set up his own business , I.G Electrical , carrying out domestic , commercial and industrial work around Dundee and Angus .

Despite handing in his notice four months ago , The Courier can reveal Mr Gardyne has never been been spoken to by police in any capacity about the smoke alarms and no one has been arrested or charged .

Dundee City Council 's scrutiny committee convener Kevin @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ and said he was told the devices were sold for around ? 10,000 .

Mr Keenan is calling for further answers and believes the lack of information provided by the council has made proper scrutiny impossible .

He said : " I 'm asking what did the stuff cost us to buy in the first place and what was the range of materials being sold ? David Martin could n't answer that .

" Those are the kinds of issues in terms of scrutiny that we need to know . I raised the question in the first place because the public needs to know what is going on . "

The Construction Services department where Mr Gardyne was employed has been at the centre of a major corporate fraud investigation after a contract to provide heat and smoke and carbon monoxide detectors was awarded without ever going out to tender .

Two senior staff members in the department attended a " customer event " in Spain arranged by the firm awarded the deal , Edmundson Electrical , although it is has been claimed both paid @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ first raised concerns about the department in May after being alerted by members of the public , and said some individuals he " would have expected to have been disciplined " remain on the council payroll .

He said : " When I asked questions about this , I got a response from David Martin that the case is ongoing , that police have been involved and are being kept informed .

" Given this has all been going on since May , it 's really frustrating . If it 's the case that employees have been hung out to dry , then this should not be going on for nine months . There needs to be a fairness to employees , as well as everyone . "

Police Scotland refused to comment on why Mr Gardyne had not yet been questioned about the alarms , stating only that " inquires are ongoing " .

A Dundee City Council spokesman said : " Senior elected members have been kept updated by officers and a comprehensive report on the issue will be submitted to all councillors as @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ referred to Police Scotland . It would not be appropriate to comment on any personnel matter or ongoing investigation . "

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